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Official Goaltending thread 3.0: Reimer & Bernier - Better goaltender thus far?

View Poll Results: Who has been the better goaltender thus far?
Jonathan Bernier 39 42.86%
James Reimer 52 57.14%
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12-11-2013, 11:20 PM
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Official Goaltending thread 3.0: Reimer & Bernier - Better goaltender thus far?

Link to previous thread: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1543959

We are 9 games separated from the mid-season mark. Just added a poll (because I can).

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12-11-2013, 11:23 PM
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This poll...right after a Bernier loss?

I expect this to be a lopsided poll in Reimer's favor.

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Great timing for a poll. Just spectacular.

Clearly no agenda pushing going on here.

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12-11-2013, 11:24 PM
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Great timing for a poll. Just spectacular.

Clearly no agenda pushing going on here.
I know eh?

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if only we could merge the two - James Bernier

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12-11-2013, 11:29 PM
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Oh Come on.

I didn't spam the old thread with 100s of posts tonight to make it go to the limit. Get the tin foil hat off your head.

Other thread was at the limit and new thread was due. I don't think I need advice on when to add a poll and when not to. Thanks, though.

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12-11-2013, 11:30 PM
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I remember when we all said if only we had a good goaltender ... Now we have 2 , and people still complain. I guess it's the other way around now .

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12-11-2013, 11:30 PM
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Eh from the old thread right before it got closed in case you didnt see it:

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Different factors in play here. TOR iced a fully healthy squad vs those teams, and Bernier had to play with a depleted team. MTL also was on a very hot streak, playing much better than in the first game of the season.

PIT game was partially because of bad reffing, but it wasn't Bernier's strongest outing, so I'll give you that.
I agree on the MTL bit, they weren't quite on the same page as they were when Bernier faced them but Bernier playing with a depleted team is not entirely true. When Reimer faced Boston, he was without Bozak or Bolland while Boston had a healthy team, while Bernier was without Bozak, Bolland and Lupul while Boston was depleted from the night before (losing Eriksson and Thornton). But obviously it's only one game so that's not saying much really. Both goalies have also had to play with a depleted team and both have performed great against top teams. Reimer did great against Washington and Bernier was fantastic against Dallas so it pretty much goes both ways.

I'm just trying to point out that no goalie has a leg up over the other at this point, they've pretty much both been equal no matter how you look at it. In a microsense one might have an advantage over the other but in regards to the big picture, they've both been equal.

Update to this thread: There should be an "equal" option.

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I'd say equal, they've both saved our ***** many nights. If I have to give a slight edge so far though I'll give it to Reimer.

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Realllllly close. I'll give slight edge to Reimer tho

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I haven't been liking Bernier's penchant for softies at bad times this season. It's probably a result of his hybrid style, but he seems to cheat a lot and let in some really weak ones short side or sometimes through the five hole. Obviously still a very good goalie, but I feel he's allowed more weak goals than Reimer this season. Yes I know Reimer had played less but I'm saying it proportional to their games played.


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I haven't been liking Bernier's penchant for softies at bad times this season. It's probably a result of his hybrid style, but he seems to cheat a lot and let in some really weak ones short side or sometimes through the five hole. Obviously still a very good goalie, but I feel he's allowed more weak goals than Reimer this season. Yes I know Reimer had played less but I'm saying it proportional to their games played.
Weak goal wise it's been very even, although Reimer has played less.

Reimer will tend to have an amazing game, then start letting in a few softies.

honestly they're both very good goalies, I give the edge to leaving Bernier as the #1 as I like his calm style and he tends to give up less rebounds. Obviously he's had some lesser games with softies, but also some spectacular games.

I just dont see Reimer being in the plans next year, I'm assuming he'll want a bigger contract than Berniers as he's proven himself to be a #1, so I dont see a reason to keeping him and his high value at 3m+ as opposed to just getting a backup for 1.5m

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Bernier's last 6 games: 1-4-1 22GA/227SA = .903 SV% approx. 3.67GAA
Reimer's last 6 games: 3-2-1 18GA/225SA = .920SV% approx. 3.00GAA

A couple notes:
- Bernier has been getting the harder games/schedule and been consistently mediocre
- Reimer would be 3-1-1 .942 SV% and approx. 2.40GAA if you disregard the CBJ game

Time to give Reimer some more starts and see what happens.

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Bernier's last 6 games: 1-4-1 22GA/227SA = .903 SV% approx. 3.67GAA
Reimer's last 6 games: 3-2-1 18GA/225SA = .920SV% approx. 3.00GAA

A couple notes:
- Bernier has been getting the harder games/schedule and been consistently mediocre
- Reimer would be 3-1-1 .942 SV% and approx. 2.40GAA if you disregard the CBJ game

Time to give Reimer some more starts and see what happens.
In conclusion, even though the Leafs have been playing bad, Reimer has been making the team look great through this stretch!

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Bernier's last 6 games: 1-4-1 22GA/227SA = .903 SV% approx. 3.67GAA
Reimer's last 6 games: 3-2-1 18GA/225SA = .920SV% approx. 3.00GAA

A couple notes:
- Bernier has been getting the harder games/schedule and been consistently mediocre
- Reimer would be 3-1-1 .942 SV% and approx. 2.40GAA if you disregard the CBJ game

Time to give Reimer some more starts and see what happens.

Explain.

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Explain.
Reimer had the Sharks game, Bernier had to play Pitts, Boston, and LA.

Bernier played the 2nd game of a back-to-back twice, Reimer once.

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Reimer had the Sharks game, Bernier had to play Pitts, Boston, and LA.

Bernier played the 2nd game of a back-to-back twice, Reimer once.
Reimer has actually played the 2nd game of a back-to-back twice. Once against Boston, the other against Buffalo. And since he's most likely starting vs St. Louis, make that 3 times.

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Reimer has actually played the 2nd game of a back-to-back twice. Once against Boston, the other against Buffalo. And since he's most likely starting vs St. Louis, make that 3 times.
This was all in regards of their last 6 games.

But yes it will be 2-2 by tomorrow in recent games by both goalies.

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The better goal tender? That's tough to say, but if you want more consistency then I'd have to say Reimer.

I've been to most of the home games this year and as the season has progressed, Bernier has let in weaker goals overall and not played with as much tenacity as Reimer.

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12-12-2013, 02:14 AM
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Bernier's gotta play harder. He is yet to be Carlyle's full fledged child of the night, feeding hard on the souls of the other teams. RC knows this, he sees it in his dreams. Bernier is a Duster of the Diamond Mine.

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There is one interview that Bernier gave earlier in the season that really stands out in my mind: He was talking about LA the goaltending situation with Quick and basically he said that he had given up on trying to win the starting role from Quick.

That seems rather alarming to me. I've played with goalies in lesser leagues who have had more determination.

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There is one interview that Bernier gave earlier in the season that really stands out in my mind: He was talking about LA the goaltending situation with Quick and basically he said that he had given up on trying to win the starting role from Quick.

That seems rather alarming to me. I've played with goalies in lesser leagues who have had more determination.
How he meant it, and how you interpret it, is two different things.

They are both great goalies, Reimer just deserves more games at this point.

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I don't think that means he gave up on playing well. He just accepted the fact that no matter what, he wouldn't be LA's #1. I don't think anyone can seriously question his determination since he came to Toronto.

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I don't think that means he gave up on playing well. He just accepted the fact that no matter what, he wouldn't be LA's #1. I don't think anyone can seriously question his determination since he came to Toronto.
Of course not, but anyone who stops trying nearly as hard or gets down on themselves that much is a loose cannon. He has played very well here, but I want a guy who will compete harder when the odds are stacked against him.

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Of course not, but anyone who stops trying nearly as hard or gets down on themselves that much is a loose cannon. He has played very well here, but I want a guy who will compete harder when the odds are stacked against him.
That's your interpretation.

What if all he meant is, he knew the Kings wanted Quick to be the #1 because he wont them a cup and invested a lot of money in him with that big contract.

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