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12-13-2013, 12:32 AM
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They are also way too pampered in the new remodelled garden, it's a big luxury country club for them now
agreed, those new bridges have ruined this team

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12-13-2013, 12:54 AM
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I could run into Jon Moore in the street tomorrow and have no idea I saw him. Really, the problem is Sather and Dolan.

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12-13-2013, 12:58 AM
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I agree, and am in no way trying to equate these things to a curse or something like that, I just think that these extra factors might very well be real and could be the difference between good/mediocre and mediocre/bad. The fact that Toronto has been so inept as well is really what put me on this thought.
NYR were about as good as a mediocre team can be the last two years IMO. "Good/mediocre" teams, as I think of them, don't often win playoff rounds. The problem is the management. For sure. These NYC things may be problems for certain players at certain times, but they're nowhere near as problematic as an owner that gives a GM complete control without any accountability whatsoever.

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12-13-2013, 01:01 AM
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We as New Yorkers like to over-rate the city and overly glamorize it like it's one-in-a million. NYC's uniqueness isn't something that rich athletes take it. These millionaires could get similar rich-people distractions in LA and Chicago.

We're grasping at straws here, the problem isn't the city, it's the culture and players.

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12-13-2013, 01:19 AM
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TL;DR, but no. Just no.

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12-13-2013, 01:51 AM
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The issue is, you could make this argument for every other large/awesome city in the world. Barcelona, London, Paris, Rome, Rio, St. Petersburg. Munich for Germany (probably has the highest quality of living there). History has it that sports clubs from this cities tend to do rather well.
The Rangers' roster is the reason the Rangers suck.


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12-13-2013, 04:26 AM
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I love this thread. I've legit been saying this about my favorite teams for years and some people just don't get it. The pressure to win in New York is massive and not exactly on the players but on the coach, gm, president, owner. Mediocrity in New York is a no no, so the teams are pressured to be good year in and year out because New Yorkers have short attention spans. It all revolves around money and if our favorite team is at the bottom of the league for a year or 2 that hurts pockets and they can't have that. We won't ever be good unless that cycle is broken because the rangers,jets,knicks,mets especially follow this pattern. Only time mets stopped is because of their financial troubles but they've been mediocre for years. Yankees are only that good because they buy everyone but if you look closely they have a lot of disappointing seasons because in my opinion their team isn't built within. The key for any successful team at all levels is building from the ground up, we don't do that in New York.

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12-13-2013, 04:42 AM
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What a crock. Is this why Toronto hasn't won? Because of how exciting it is? What's the Argonauts record?


The NYC bias is so ridic. I remember it with Josh Hamilton. NYers are so naive, as if a junkie like Hamilton couldn't get drugs anywhere else. Good grief.

NYC....I'm sick of paying 7$ for a turkey wrap, get me the **** out of here.

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12-13-2013, 04:44 AM
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Mediocrity isn't accepted in NY.

O wait... the Knicks, Jets and Mets.....and RANGERS just knocked on the door.

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12-13-2013, 04:48 AM
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1. Baseball is much more popular than hockey, therefore the players are more famous and can't get away with as much in the way of extra-curriculars.
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2. Baseball is an easier sport physically. Didn't David Wells pitch a perfect game while drunk/hungover?
You should try throwing a tennis ball as hard as you can ten times. Let me know how your arm feels, hoss.

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12-13-2013, 07:16 AM
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Cool. Now explain the Yankees.
That's pretty easy. Spending 4x as much as other MLB teams for a period of time. And maybe equally important 2 clutch HOF'ers fall in your lap at the same time as bookends to your team for a decade +. Jeter was an error machine when he came up and Rivera was going to be the next Cecilio Guante.

There is no doubt NYC has something to do with it. If you were a player where would you rather be when you are sucking? NYC or Columbus?

It has something to do with it. Nowhere near all or maybe not even a lot.

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12-13-2013, 08:18 AM
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I love how I directly state that the Yankees might blow up my argument in the post yet several people go right to them instead of trying to have a discussion. But hell, maybe I'll try anyway:

1. Baseball is much more popular than hockey, therefore the players are more famous and can't get away with as much in the way of extra-curriculars.

2. Baseball is an easier sport physically. Didn't David Wells pitch a perfect game while drunk/hungover?

3. The extra money available to spend for big market teams is a real advantage in baseball because it's a largely individual sport where "chemistry" doesn't really matter.

Cool?
Remember, many of these posters blame Lundqvist for our troubles, while he's really all we got.

You forgot to mention Babe Ruth's physical, mental, inebriated health.

I would explain the logic of your thread to be more like this- in major markets, win or lose, arena will fill anyway (usually because of a marquee name or two- REF the summer of the battle for #23). The fact Sather still has his job is testimony that winning and losing matters not as much as the as ***** in the seats (which pay out anyway in NYC). Chemistry is overlooked, for whatever (usually aged) headliner is available.

That said, baseball is more of an individual game, and chemistry is really not a fraction as important as in the other major sports.

Again, Sather still has his job for whatever reason. It sure as hell isn't because he's happened to get rid of our best end of year performer/difference maker every year since lockout (starting with Sykora, ending with Clowe too early for brain to pull out the properly ordered list for the last 8 years).

Anyway, as abev said, it has something to do with it, but not all.

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12-13-2013, 08:41 AM
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Sure, I guess it's easier to blame the terribleness of this team on location or curses rather than the inept front office and management.

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12-13-2013, 08:43 AM
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Ownership and management.

There is no accountability in either of those departments.

Rangers do not need to be good to make money and increase the franchise value. Owner is under no real pressure to need them to be a good team.

Management, Sather has no pressure to do anything but keep those financial numbers on the uptick which they are regardless of how the team performs. He's as safe as can be.

It just trickles down from there. Everything from handing the UFAs anything they ask for in a contract, to once they are signed, them never being put in a position where their roster spot may be jeopardized.

As long as the money pours in it's a big coddle-fest all the way around. The ownership is not asking for true contention, neither is the GM, neither are the players.

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12-13-2013, 08:45 AM
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To play devils' avocado:

The Yankees were led by a hard working, homegrown core when they won their championships in the free agency era. Yes they brought in key, timely acquisitions too. But they have had their fair share of FA busts.

The NFL/Giants is not a great comparable. Contracts are not guarenteed. Get lazy, underperform and the team can cut you and not owe a dime. It is a lot more difficult to slack off of when you get paid.

Hockey and the NBA with guarenteed contracts allow a lot more leeway for coasting and enjoying the nightlife. When JR Smith goes clubbing after a game it is back page news and a 15 min segment on the Fan. Not the same for a Ranger who does the same. Now ultimately it comes down to management because JR keeps doing it haha.

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IMediocrity in New York is a no no, so the teams are pressured to be good year in and year out because New Yorkers have short attention spans. It all revolves around money and if our favorite team is at the bottom of the league for a year or 2 that hurts pockets and they can't have that.
I think this is truer for the MSG teams than other NYC outfits. The Yankees fell into this pattern in the 80s as Steinbrenner chased free agents but escaped it and went through a bad period in the early 90s that preceded their great run. The Giants have had ups and downs. The Jets' main problem is management/ownership. The Mets as well. They make bad decisions and don't spend money.

The Knicks and Rangers, well, yeah. The "win now at all costs" thing infects too many decisions. But again, this comes down to management & ownership. We get losing seasons no matter what; the team might as well stop looking for the non-existent quick fix and commit to long-term improvement. It's the only way to get anywhere.

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12-13-2013, 08:57 AM
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....oh sorry, OP. You were saying?
You can possibly see what I was saying if you maybe read the post, or one of my replies. I understand why you chose to take the snarky route though, much more self satisfying than actually trying to talk about something. Same goes to whoever it was that called me "hoss" - thanks for participating.

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12-13-2013, 09:05 AM
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This is my lame attempt to explain why Ranger players could be distracted by NYC.

Don't most of them come from small/farm towns? Not just Ranger players but hockey players in general. Maybe they're not used to the bright lights. The opponents coming in get extra excited. Again, bright lights. So they want to play well. Many of them have never been to NY.
Whereas many baseball players are from cities, whether it's their countries or from the U.S. And the opponent have already been to NY.

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The only issue I can see with NYC is that no matter what the owners do they are in a position to make money

There are just so many people packed in to the tiny little island that every block or 2 you have enough people to fill the garden.

That means management can be lazy and hands off as they dont really have to worry about their entertainment product not making money. So they field a team and people pay their money. The only time they need to worry is when they build new stadiums.

Im sure Dolan wants to win. Everybody likes to win. But the difference is Dolan doesn't need a wining team to cover his investment and still come out on top. So it would be nice but it isn't necessary from the $$ side. Which is why Im sure he has kept Sather running the ship. He keeps the team good enough to put ***** in the seats. Dolan isn't hounded by the press looking for answers, in fact he owns the press that generally pays attention to his products so he feels no pressure on the Rangers. I'm sure there is more pressure on him regarding the Knicks only because basketball is a bigger sport in NY but unless people stop going to games he has nothing to worry about.

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12-13-2013, 09:15 AM
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you know, there may be something to this sucking because we play in the city with distractions stuff

I mean, the Columbus Blue Jackets are horrible too - too many distractions there

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12-13-2013, 09:19 AM
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What about 11-12? That team didnt suck, were they distracted? Or is this thread just another crazy thought after another horrible game?

This team doesnt have enough talent. If the city distracts them, trade them.

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12-13-2013, 09:20 AM
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I know the fanbase is always searching for a scapegoat, but the city of New York is a new one.

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12-13-2013, 09:29 AM
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I love how I directly state that the Yankees might blow up my argument in the post yet several people go right to them instead of trying to have a discussion. But hell, maybe I'll try anyway:

1. Baseball is much more popular than hockey, therefore the players are more famous and can't get away with as much in the way of extra-curriculars.

2. Baseball is an easier sport physically. Didn't David Wells pitch a perfect game while drunk/hungover?

3. The extra money available to spend for big market teams is a real advantage in baseball because it's a largely individual sport where "chemistry" doesn't really matter.

Cool?
That wasnt entirely proven.. it woulda been badass if he did

But no. It's not the city. This team is just full of retards/ghosts

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You're headline, in a way, is correct, but your post is ridiculous.

NYC is "responsible" for the ranger's continued mediocrity due to the constant pressure to field a contender every season thus never truely building a team from the ground up.

It works for the Yankees due to an unlimited budget and a sport that is far more receptive by nature to plug-and-play statistics with regard to free agent acquisitions, but it doesn't really work for anyone else over the long term.

The irony is that the constant pressure and focus on having a contender every year is exactly why they dont have one.

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NYC is "responsible" for the ranger's continued mediocrity due to the constant pressure to field a contender every season thus never truely building a team from the ground up.
That's ridiculous. NYC sat through awful Knicks season, awful Jets teams and awful Mets teams. NYC didn't "pressure" anyone.

This is all on one person. The lazy, smartest-guy-in-the-room, whee-now-I-have-money-to-spend GM

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