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07-29-2005, 04:14 PM
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Fedoruk traded for a second rounder

One thing you have to give Booby Clarke credit for is the fact that he can consistently turn average assets into good draft picks. The Flyers and the Leafs have been very similar in the past five years in the way that both teams were veteran, big spending teams. The only difference is that while the Leafs traded away picks constantly, the Flyers have been able to get good draft picks for nothing.

If you can get a second rounder for a Todd Fedoruk in today's market, you sort of owe it to your organization to try, especially when you're JFJ and you need to restock the system. But alas, the only thing JFJ seems to be good at is vague managerial jargon.

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TSN says it's Tampa's pick. WTF, that's a steal the 31st! But I think it's the 59th and either way, wat a deal.

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The Leafs have been exactly one choice under their quota of picks since 1998.

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that's a meaningless statistic.

How many first and second round picks have we missed out on in that same time frame?

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great question! how many first and second rounders have the leafs missed out on in the last 10 years?

"vague managerial jargon". i love that!!

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One of the things preventing JFJ from making this deal is that he did not hold the rights to Todd Fedoruk.

Are you suggesting the Leafs should make a similar deal?

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"First or second" round is meaningless also. First round can be anywhere from a sure thing #1 to a very iffy #30. Second round can be anywhere from #31 to #68.

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not if you consider the chances of picking an impact NHLer diminishes with every pick. What does it matter that the Leafs have a bunch of 6th round picks when they're missing top 30 picks and top 60 picks every year? It's one of the reasons why we don't have better prospects in our system.

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"One of the things preventing JFJ from making this deal is that he did not hold the rights to Todd Fedoruk.

Are you suggesting the Leafs should make a similar deal?"

I am definitely suggesting that the Leafs make a similar deal. If Calgary can get a 3rd rounder for a marginal dman, and if the Flyers can get a second rounder for Todd freaking Fedoruk, Fergie would do well to look into replenishing higher end picks.

One thing that Clarke deserves credit for is the fact that he isn't afraid to make deals to get draft picks. The Flyers were an old team like us, but unlike the Leafs, he manages to trade off marginal assets for draft picks year in and year out.

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A couple of guys that the Leafs picked in the 6th and 8th rounds are now a couple of the Rangers' top prospects. It's what you do with your picks once you get past the obvious top prospects.

Trapp said that this past year the Leafs spent more money on scouting than any other team because a lot of the competitors were cutting back due to the lockout. So, we'll see what happens

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If Fedoruk is worth this I really hope the Leafs don't sign Domi because he is going to cost more than the $700k I think he is worth.

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One of the things preventing JFJ from making this deal is that he did not hold the rights to Todd Fedoruk.

Are you suggesting the Leafs should make a similar deal?
are you suggesting they shouldn't????

if the likes of todd fedoruk can fatch a second rounder tomorrow, then jfj has to persue a trade like that.

geez, fedoruk compares very well to nathan perrott. worth a second rounder? it would be a steal if jfj could pull something like that off.

hats off to bobby clarke.

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In reality, the pick that Fedoruk was traded for has about an 80% chance of ending up as nothing.

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I guess if JFJ wanted to trade Belak then he has to sign both Domi and Perrott if he wants some enforcers around. Belak is a far better enforcer than both of them, but at least Domi and Perrott bring speed. Domi may be on the expensive side - more than I would want to pay. But Perrott may e ready to regularly contribute at the NHL level. Tough call.

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In reality, the pick that Fedoruk was traded for has about an 80% chance of ending up as nothing.
you're almost at the point of arguing that a 6th or 8th round pick has as much chance at the nhl as a 2nd round pick. its just not true, no matter which team is picking.

should jfj pursue a trade similar to this one or not? either way you'll make him out to be the second coming.

are you saying fletcher had it right? draft schmaft?

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LOL and ROTFLMAO

Looks like Burkie has a whole new stock of second rounders to squander. It was running joke in Vancouver.

Has to rank up with Burkie's fleecing by the Devils Fast Lou who peddled Vadim Sharijanov to Canucks for a second rounder. The "Sherrif" played 17 games for Vancouver (2G 1A 3Pts 14 PIMS and never played in the NHL again - his last club was Gap HC in the "elite" league in France were they play a grueling 28 game schedule)

But for TODD FEDORUK??????

Career potential - Part time enforcer.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/player_b...30&hubName=PHI

Jeeez Burkie I know you were Flyer property at one time but really do you have to give them such a gift.

It just shows why the Canucks were smart to hand him the pink slip.

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are you suggesting they shouldn't????
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No.

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LOL and ROTFLMAO

Looks like Burkie has a whole new stock of second rounders to squander. It was running joke in Vancouver.

Has to rank up with Burkie's fleecing by the Devils Fast Lou who peddled Vadim Sharijanov to Canucks for a second rounder. The "Sherrif" played 17 games for Vancouver (2G 1A 3Pts 14 PIMS and never played in the NHL again - his last club was Gap HC in the "elite" league in France were they play a grueling 28 game schedule)

But for TODD FEDORUK??????

Career potential - Part time enforcer.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/player_b...30&hubName=PHI

Jeeez Burkie I know you were Flyer property at one time but really do you have to give them such a gift.

It just shows why the Canucks were smart to hand him the pink slip.
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In reality, the pick that Fedoruk was traded for has about an 80% chance of ending up as nothing.
Todd Fedoruk has 28 points in 220 career games.

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Alright then, We'll trade Berg for a 1st rounder.

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Todd Fedoruk has 28 points in 220 career games.
Clarke certainly has no fear of making trades and in fact puts a lot of GM's to shame with his ability at the entry draft via his scouting team and their results ..

Clarke has a real ability to acquire assets or picks and turn those into things he has in his tool box to always make his NHL team better ..

While I don't like Clarke personally I certainly can appreciate the job he has done particularly in comparison to my own ..

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Clarke moved into the top 5 and drafted Bobby Ryan in fact ..


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you're almost at the point of arguing that a 6th or 8th round pick has as much chance at the nhl as a 2nd round pick. its just not true, no matter which team is picking.

should jfj pursue a trade similar to this one or not? either way you'll make him out to be the second coming.

are you saying fletcher had it right? draft schmaft?
All I'm saying is that a player drafted at that number has about a 20% chance of having an NHL career. Look it up if you don't believe me.

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Just can't believe it, teams give draft picks to the Flyers left and right, they can sign FA's and get top picks for them down the road, just like the lottery, if there were 100 balls and we had 98 those damn Flyers 1 ball and Ottawa one ball they would finish ahead of us, they have the 20th and the 9th picks.

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Just can't believe it, teams give draft picks to the Flyers left and right, they can sign FA's and get top picks for them down the road, just like the lottery, if there were 100 balls and we had 98 those damn Flyers 1 ball and Ottawa one ball they would finish ahead of us, they have the 20th and the 9th picks.
Lets refer to that as the curse of Harold Ballard ..

They moved out of the old Gardens Ballard was haunting but the curse is still with them ..

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