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04-14-2014, 07:47 AM
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I'd much rather have Henrique and Larsson package myself. Spezza is pretty worthless for this team right now.
Agree . If Reinhart is available to the Oilers come draft day I would consider that package . We get another young D , Him and Klefbom may work well together . We get a 2 way 2 C . Trade garner for some grit

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04-14-2014, 08:21 AM
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2011-12: 0.935
2012-13: 0.936
2013-14: 0.933

Yeah all he has is potential, what a garbage goalie right now


Get a grip people. Lehner is as much a franchise goalie as Nuge is a franchise centre. Every bit.
I find it funny Sens fans are arguing over how we value RNH . He is our number 1 C Value has nothing to do with it it will take an over payment . Also Sen fans arguing over Zib being so good/close to RNH , well keep him . It was not an Oiler fan who started the OP . Asking for our only decent number 1 centre and getting offended when we want an over payment .


Last , where the hell do you get your information from ? Lehner with this .933 save % in 2013-14 . So lets add 20 point to RNH totals . Lehner season is 913 save % and 3.06 GAA . Goalies are also a lot harder to call then a forward . RNH will be a very good to a great 1 centre . Lehner could still bust , lots of young goalies look great in lessor leagues and great in their first year in the NHL only to drop of the map .

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04-14-2014, 09:30 AM
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Lol Spezza's been great since the Olympic break and is an elite player when healthy (He's not that much of an injury concern IMO).



No IMO he's actually underrated, I'm telling you he's going to be a top 10 goalie sooner rather than later. He's just really really good.



Lol wat? Turris (50-60 Point 2-way guy), Spezza (70-85 point offensive monster), Smith (3rd Line C, 25 points and good on PK), Zibanejad (Young PWF, could be a 30-30 guy in 2-3 years). That's really overrating him lmao.
Spezza has been great since Hemsky joined his line, and we all know how Hemsky was undervalued around this League , you guys want a 21 year old 1st line C with tons of upside left you're giving till it hurts , hospital hurt.

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04-14-2014, 09:32 AM
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I find it funny Sens fans are arguing over how we value RNH . He is our number 1 C Value has nothing to do with it it will take an over payment . Also Sen fans arguing over Zib being so good/close to RNH , well keep him . It was not an Oiler fan who started the OP . Asking for our only decent number 1 centre and getting offended when we want an over payment .


Last , where the hell do you get your information from ? Lehner with this .933 save % in 2013-14 . So lets add 20 point to RNH totals . Lehner season is 913 save % and 3.06 GAA . Goalies are also a lot harder to call then a forward . RNH will be a very good to a great 1 centre . Lehner could still bust , lots of young goalies look great in lessor leagues and great in their first year in the NHL only to drop of the map .
Mandy always does this , in fact Sens fans during their gdt's could not run him out of town fast enough.

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04-14-2014, 10:15 AM
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Spezza has been great since Hemsky joined his line, and we all know how Hemsky was undervalued around this League , you guys want a 21 year old 1st line C with tons of upside left you're giving till it hurts , hospital hurt.
False.
Spezza had rounded into form before Hemsky joined the Sens.
Weird how missing a full year of hockey somehow slowed spezza the first half of the year. (yet he still end up top 15 scoring at C and top 30 in the league. despite missing 7 games)
Hemsky has been great and was also the beneficiary of a fully healthy Spezza.

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False.
Spezza had rounded into form before Hemsky joined the Sens.
Weird how missing a full year of hockey somehow slowed spezza the first half of the year. (yet he still end up top 15 scoring at C and top 30 in the league. despite missing 7 games)
Hemsky has been great and was also the beneficiary of a fully healthy Spezza.
Spezza was no where near top 30 at trade deadline . Now what was spezza prior 20 games before Hemsky.

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04-14-2014, 11:01 AM
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18pts in 20 games before Hemsky.
14 pts in 12 games before Hemsky.

19pts in 17 games with Hemsky.

Anyone who watched the Sens knows that around Christmas time Spezza had clearly taken a huge step up in his game - as in, night and day.

Which makes perfect sense given he was coming off back surgery that had caused him to miss the entire year.
While Hemsky has been good with Spezza, the person who massively improved after than trade was Hemsky since he was finally playing with an elite center.

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04-14-2014, 11:12 AM
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RNH will cost too much. I'd also rather have bigger top two centers than Turris and RNH. No amount of size on the wings could compensate for that.

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04-14-2014, 11:52 AM
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Every single player on Ottawa had a down year stats wise (except Turris).
You realize the only reason every player would have a down year on a whole team is if they are collectively overrated?

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04-14-2014, 12:43 PM
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You realize the only reason every player would have a down year on a whole team is if they are collectively overrated?
Youth, inconsistentcy , off ice issues and players coming back from injuries plagued our team. Plus the refs are crooked and got paid off to call penalties on the sens

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04-14-2014, 12:46 PM
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You realize the only reason every player would have a down year on a whole team is if they are collectively overrated?
Um, no. Tell me who exactly is over rated on the Sens? Coming into this year the team itself was over rated as some were calling them cup contenders, but i don't think any Sens players themselves are overrated. HFboards seems to hate most of our players, so I dont see how they are over rated (Spezza, Karlsson, etc.). Spezza, Karlsson, Anderson (although this is par for the course for him), Michalek, Cowen, Philloops, Hemsky (until he was traded), Ryan, and others all had down years.

That can be explained quite easily: we are a very, very young team (4th youngest in the NHL) and growing pains are to be expected;

Spezza, Ryan and Karlsson all came off or had injuries (all players elite at there position); Anderson being inconsistent is nothing new and lost us probably 10 games;

Michalek and Chris Phillips just flat out suck; Cowen, Lehner, Wiercoch, and the rest of the young guns couldn't handle the workload they were given;

and Turris/McArthur/Zibinajed/Ceci all took huge steps forward. If you would like to explain how any of this makes them 'over rated', especially when most are generally pissed on by the people on this site, I'm all ears.

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04-14-2014, 12:48 PM
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also i could see oilers management trading rnh for spezz + something like greening. Not that i think its fair, but mac-t has kinda made dumb trades to bring in non skill, big guys like greening lol.
Oh and David whats his name that would be the Sens leading scorer while playing on the 2nd line with Gagner/Arcobello most of the season

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Ahhhhhhh the off-season(for us non playoff teams)

Where Oilers fans become the best experts in this field!

With that being said, Ryan Nugent Hopkins is an amazing player and has crazy high potential. I understand why Oilers praise him highly... but much too highly, imo.

I don't think Oilers need Spezza at all but there's 2 packages that could work.

1) Zibanejad + big piece(Cowen/Lazar/1st/Lehner)

2) Spezza + Lazar + smaller piece

The thing about Oil fans is that they tend to underrate everyone else that gets thrown in a package for one of theirs or they overrate their players huge. I'm still reminiscing the times where Smid offers had to start at 1st+ for Oil to even listen a year ago, amirite?

Zibanejad finished with 16 goals and 33 points and 118 hits. On pace for 20 goals 40 assists and 140 hits. He was completely misused and played mostly on bottom 6 in 4th line role with enigmas but he was still top 3 in puck possession.

All this being said, I don't understand why Oil would trade RNH unless they want a physical scoring center instead.
and 6 months ago Spezza would be a Senator for life unless an offer of Shea Weber came along. Sens fans even turned down Bogosian and Ladd. Every fanbase has those individuals but that does not mean its the consensus of the majority

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04-14-2014, 12:55 PM
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Edmonton still says no. Ottawa does as well they already have a number 1 centre why are they paying a huge price for Nuge a price the Oilers still easily decline.
We pretty easily say no to this trade. We get younger again with more magical beans, keeping us in this perpetual circle of mediocrity and failure. That is a god awful package for RNH.

We're trying to win next season, not get even younger... again...

I swear, the infatuation with prospects on this board is absolutely ridiculous. People think every player not in the NHL is the second coming of [insert religious icon/deity of preference].

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04-14-2014, 01:04 PM
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To Ottawa:
RNH

To Edmonton:
Zibanejad
Cowen
2nd rounder in '14, '15
Absolutely not. No #1 C or #1dman in that trade. We need experience and sure things, not possibilities and chances.

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Ahhhhhhh the off-season(for us non playoff teams)

Where Oilers fans become the best experts in this field!

With that being said, Ryan Nugent Hopkins is an amazing player and has crazy high potential. I understand why Oilers praise him highly... but much too highly, imo.

I don't think Oilers need Spezza at all but there's 2 packages that could work.

1) Zibanejad + big piece(Cowen/Lazar/1st/Lehner)

2) Spezza + Lazar + smaller piece

The thing about Oil fans is that they tend to underrate everyone else that gets thrown in a package for one of theirs or they overrate their players huge. I'm still reminiscing the times where Smid offers had to start at 1st+ for Oil to even listen a year ago, amirite?

Zibanejad finished with 16 goals and 33 points and 118 hits. On pace for 20 goals 40 assists and 140 hits. He was completely misused and played mostly on bottom 6 in 4th line role with enigmas but he was still top 3 in puck possession.

All this being said, I don't understand why Oil would trade RNH unless they want a physical scoring center instead.
Both trades are not even close. Spezza has a year left and is getting on in age, makes no sense to replace our budding #1 for an aging #1 on the downswing. Zibby and any of those pieces are not established #1's in their positions and may not even make 2nd lines/pairings. Don't sit here and tell me they will either. Yeah everyone looks great in junior and AHL, but how many picks actually fully reach their potential vs. those who don't. They are scratch cards until they actually reach the NHL and I'd rather keep my $20 than spend it all on the potential to have more and chance losing all my money.

You want RNH? Well you can't unless you overpay for him (Karlsson). We have 0 incentive to move him unless we get what we want in return. Anything short of that and I (and most other fans I assume) are content holding on to him for as long as we can.

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Hall + RNH + Nurse + 2014 1st + 2015 1st

for

Turris + Karlsson + Lehner

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04-14-2014, 01:27 PM
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Hall + RNH + Nurse + 2014 1st + 2015 1st

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Turris + Karlsson + Lehner
That's too much from Edmonton. Take away both of those 1st round picks.

It would never happen, but if anything I'd see this as more even:
Turris + Lehner for RNH

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Hall + RNH + Nurse + 2014 1st + 2015 1st

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Turris + Karlsson + Lehner
gut our roster to become the Sens?

no thanks

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Hall + RNH + Nurse + 2014 1st + 2015 1st

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Turris + Karlsson + Lehner
Thx for the Laugh.

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Hall + RNH + Nurse + 2014 1st + 2015 1st

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Turris + Karlsson + Lehner
Karlsson is a great defenseman but.....brutal for the Oilers. Two 1st overalls, a potential 1st overall, a shot at McDavid(since the Oilers wouldnt have anything near a 1st line centre ) plus Nurse

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We don't need RNH, we are plenty deep at centre

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Hall + RNH + Nurse + 2014 1st + 2015 1st

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Turris + Karlsson + Lehner
Good lord no...

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Big physical good skating left defenseman = Cowen
Big number #1 centre = Spezza
Solid physical bottom 6 winger = Neil
Big physical reliable right handed D = Gryba
Another solid bottom 6 winger = Greening
Throw in a 2nd rounder for kicks


Nugent-Hopkins for Spezza, Cowen, Gryba, Greening, Neil and a 2nd


Hall - Spezza - Eberle
Yakupov - Gagner - Perron
Greening - Lander - Horak
Gazdic - Gordon - Neil
Hendricks

Cowen - Petry
Ference - Schultz
Marincin - Gryba
Larsen

Scrivens
Fasth



Prince - Nugent-Hopkins - Ryan
MacArthur - Turris - Stone
Hoffman - Zibanejad - Hemsky
Schneider - Smith - Condra
Da Costa

Methot - Karlsson
Wiercioch - Ceci
Phillips - UFA
Borowiecki

Lehner
Anderson



win win

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04-14-2014, 03:07 PM
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the Oilers don't have the depth at centre to trade RNH and as an Oilers fan I wouldn't trade RNH for all of the Sens centres
not a problem.
I would trade maybe 2 of ottawa's centers for Nugent Hopkins.

see we have a difference of opinion, and that's OK

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Big physical good skating left defenseman = Cowen
Big number #1 centre = Spezza
Solid physical bottom 6 winger = Neil
Big physical reliable right handed D = Gryba
Another solid bottom 6 winger = Greening
Throw in a 2nd rounder for kicks


Nugent-Hopkins for Spezza, Cowen, Gryba, Greening, Neil and a 2nd


Hall - Spezza - Eberle
Yakupov - Gagner - Perron
Greening - Lander - Horak
Gazdic - Gordon - Neil
Hendricks

Cowen - Petry
Ference - Schultz
Marincin - Gryba
Larsen

Scrivens
Fasth



Prince - Nugent-Hopkins - Ryan
MacArthur - Turris - Stone
Hoffman - Zibanejad - Hemsky
Schneider - Smith - Condra
Da Costa

Methot - Karlsson
Wiercioch - Ceci
Phillips - UFA
Borowiecki

Lehner
Anderson



win win
I doubt Edmonton does much Win Winning with Cowen on their top pairing.

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I doubt Edmonton does much Win Winning with Cowen on their top pairing.
better than Ference. Gotta start somewhere bro


You can have Methot instead but I thought they would prefer Cowen

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