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07-30-2005, 05:21 PM
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I can't stand the leafs but I've got to admit this is a great deal. Even if Jeff doesn't return to his old form, 1.5mil is pretty reasonable.

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07-30-2005, 05:21 PM
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from what i can tell, the canes fans are far from enraged...and wanted him gone.
Looks like it, it's a far different cry from when we got Francis and I think some admitted that they cried.

Then again what was the alternative? not qualify him and let him go elsewhere for free?

I'm happy we got O'Niell, the 4th to guarentee he came here is fair.

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Then again what was the alternative? not qualify him and let him go elsewhere for free?
Abitration was an alternative.

http://www.nhl.com/nhlhq/cba/cba_faq072205.html
For players who are earning more than $1.5 million in their prior year, Clubs will have the right to elect salary arbitration in lieu of making a Qualifying Offer.

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I personally wanted him gone, but wish him the best of luck with Toronto.

As for their motivation behind the trade, trust me. They could have gone the bad PR way and went to arbitration and squeezed every thin dime out of this situation they possibly could. Instead, they do a guy down on his luck a favor and send him off to go play in his hometown to get his life, and his hockey game back together. Classy move by JR, but I hope he has his plan all together to get more scorers in here. He turned 12 draft picks in this past draft into 9 defensemen.

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07-30-2005, 06:12 PM
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Abitration was an alternative.

http://www.nhl.com/nhlhq/cba/cba_faq072205.html
For players who are earning more than $1.5 million in their prior year, Clubs will have the right to elect salary arbitration in lieu of making a Qualifying Offer.
You win this round!

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07-30-2005, 06:25 PM
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1.5 for a O'Neil...NICE MOVE!

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07-30-2005, 07:15 PM
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from what i can tell, the canes fans are far from enraged...and wanted him gone.
I see their reactions...still, O'Neill for a 4th round pick? couldn't they have at least acquired a 2nd?

I dunno, to get a 4th for a guy who scored 30 goals as recently as 02-03 and is in his prime...just seems like they could have had a bit more.

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07-30-2005, 07:20 PM
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O'Neill signed for 1.5 a year, not out of the goodness of his heart, but, rather, to do whatever it took to become a Maple Leaf.

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07-30-2005, 07:22 PM
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I love the NHL when it's back in business..

I'm very pleased with how today turned out. Got a decent goalie in Rask from the draft, and O'Niell. I can't wait for next weeks moves.

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Right you are, a very classy move by Carolina.
Shows what kind of person Mr.Rutherford is.

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07-30-2005, 08:18 PM
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Great Move by TO. A 4th round pick is not much and O'Neill is a really good 2nd liner who once scored 40 goals. Plus he's making only $1.5 mil a year for 2 years which really helps Toronto since they have some hefty salaries.

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Holy crap. If only more players could be like Jeff O'neil.
LOL, that was the statement of the year. If more players can be an egotistical alcoholic, then that's your thing. The only reason O'Neill signed that cheap is because it was Toronto. Anywhere else he wouldn't have been so "forgiving".

Good flipping riddance. Never liked the guy.

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07-30-2005, 09:08 PM
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Good signing by Toronto. If all the rumoured players that want to play in Toronto sign deals like O'Neill signed, Toronto could have a very good team this year.

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^^ Not all Canes fanes feel the same way. I for one, really like Jeff and he will be missed here. I wasn't upset as I was over the Francis trade but I did have Jack Johnson to offset the loss. If it were a normal offseason I might say we traded our most valuable offensive assest, but come Monday our roster will be drastically different, so who knows. But I wish him all the best and hope the change of scenery will be the shot in the arm he needed

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Great Move by TO. A 4th round pick is not much and O'Neill is a really good 2nd liner who once scored 40 goals. Plus he's making only $1.5 mil a year for 2 years which really helps Toronto since they have some hefty salaries.
If he scores 40 goals again, I'd love to be the team that has him on their 2nd line

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Shows what kind of person Mr.Rutherford is.
As a fan of hockey and a Leaf fan, I have never heard anything bad about Rutherford by any posters, anyone TV personality or anything, very classy.

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07-31-2005, 04:43 AM
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Holy crap. If only more players could be like Jeff O'neil.
What, overrated?

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07-31-2005, 05:40 AM
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Toronto made a great deal here... most unfortunately .

Low cost both in price and salary. Great move for the Leafs.

Carolina did what the felt they had to do and really, O'Neill has been "on his way out" for a couple years now. They clearly weren't going to keep him, so anything is better than nothing and it seems obvious they were doing him a favor here.

Biggest non-buyout move of the offseason so far (besides Crosby being drafted).

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07-31-2005, 06:30 AM
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What, overrated?
Your just upset because you know his playoff beard will put Malkin's to shame

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Jeff O'Neill was a great pick up for a couple of reasons imo, they replace Nolan, but a get a little younger and pay only about a third of what Owen made, and it gives the Leafs a chance to make a last ditch effort to sign Jeff's good, Gary Roberts, who could also persuade Nieuwy to sign up.

O'Neill will most likely not hit that 40 goal mark here in Toronto, although I would love to see it, he should pop about 25 goals and I would be extremely pleased with that.

Next up:

Roberts
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Jeff O'Neill was a great pick up for a couple of reasons imo, they replace Nolan, but a get a little younger and pay only about a third of what Owen made, and it gives the Leafs a chance to make a last ditch effort to sign Jeff's good, Gary Roberts, who could also persuade Nieuwy to sign up.

O'Neill will most likely not hit that 40 goal mark here in Toronto, although I would love to see it, he should pop about 25 goals and I would be extremely pleased with that.

Next up:

Roberts
Nieuwendyk
Foote
That's a good realistic expectation of what you're going to get out of O'Neill. All this talk of returning to the 40 goal point is well, ridiculous in my opinion. As a person who watched that magical season unravel for him, a lot of it in person, i'd have to say that his 40 goal season had just as much to do with Ron Francis' playmaking ability and the flashy finesse of Sami Kapanen than it did with Jeff just breaking out. In reality, he's a 30 goal scorer. With all the targets and players to get icetime on Toronto, he's about a 25 goal scorer. To think anything else is honestly overrating his ability in my opinion.

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07-31-2005, 08:05 AM
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That's a good realistic expectation of what you're going to get out of O'Neill. All this talk of returning to the 40 goal point is well, ridiculous in my opinion. As a person who watched that magical season unravel for him, a lot of it in person, i'd have to say that his 40 goal season had just as much to do with Ron Francis' playmaking ability and the flashy finesse of Sami Kapanen than it did with Jeff just breaking out. In reality, he's a 30 goal scorer. With all the targets and players to get icetime on Toronto, he's about a 25 goal scorer. To think anything else is honestly overrating his ability in my opinion.
Probably though I think if he's paired with Sundin he has a shot at 30+, if he ends up on the 2nd line with Stajan, Antropov or Nieuwendyk it's probably 20-25ish.

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That is a real good trade for Toronto.

They may lose Nolan but add O'Neill for nothing

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The canes got cheesed by this trade. They could have gotten way more for jeff. This man carried em to the Finals and was a 40 goal scorer. Everyone knows he wanted out and who could blame him, but for a guy who is only 29 and has a lot more years left they could have got a better deal. Way to go carolina!!!

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The canes got cheesed by this trade. They could have gotten way more for jeff. This man carried em to the Finals and was a 40 goal scorer. Everyone knows he wanted out and who could blame him, but for a guy who is only 29 and has a lot more years left they could have got a better deal. Way to go carolina!!!
They wern't going to qualify him, or they'd go to arbitration, which is always an ugly process.

We don't know who initiated talks, Fergy or Rutherford, though as others have said this was a win for all involved.

Carolina gets a pick that they wern't going to get

Toronto gets a 29 year old goal scoring power forward, I won't say young, but he's not old for a cheap price.

Jeff gets a chance to rekindle his career, at home, and possibly with a close friend and Mentor(Roberts) on his wing.

It was a classy move on the Canes part, and a great aqquisition for the Leafs.

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