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12-19-2013, 07:07 AM
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Relax guys, he'll most likely get tested today.

Baselines really aren't necessary.

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12-19-2013, 07:39 AM
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I'm not, although the lines are blurred a little bit between the stages of "policing"/"prosecuting"/"judging" in the NHL sense. A team presents the evidence to Shanahan for review because they believe supplemental discipline may be warranted. Though the team may not be seeking a certain outcome, they still are presenting evidence on behalf of the "victim" (in a sense).
Again, that is not what burden of proof means. There is no burden of proof in an NHL suspension hearing. No one is proving anything. Shanahan and his guys are looking at tape and deciding if it is suspendable or not. The player or his coach or whomever might get to make a statement in his defense, I am not sure, but that doesn't change the fact that there is no burden of proof in an NHL disciplinary review.

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It really doesn't matter how I believe the NHL should handle these cases, but I fully accept the way they do it.
That's fine, aren't we just arguing about how we feel about this hit? Obviously this is the way they do it. I'm not disputing that. I just don't like it.

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Wilson will get five games or less because Schenn didn't break his neck (or suffer a severe injury, since he has claimed that he does not have a conussion); that's the way it is and will be for the foreseeable future. If I'm making an argument on how many games a player should get for a dirty play, it's because I'm taking how the NHL will look at the incident into question. Arguing otherwise is futile.
Again, that's fine. I know the NHL does this, I am saying they shouldn't.

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12-19-2013, 07:43 AM
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Assuming this is a legitimate answer (it's not), that strategy hasn't worked for Marc-Andre Bourdon.
They arent comparable players. I'd say B.Schenn is much closer to receiving a contract like the ones Simmonds and Voracek got, if he doesnt get injured. M.A.B was never going to get a contract for several years.

Anyway, I sure hope they test him. Ruining a career for a few regular season games is just stupid, both for Schenn and the Flyers.

I must say I'm amazed if he's as healthy as he seems. As others have said; it looked frightening when he couldnt get up on his skates and kept trying..

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12-19-2013, 09:42 AM
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B. Schenn is on the ice at the morning skate.


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Vinny Lecavalier and Brayden Schenn out for Flyers morning skate
Source: https://twitter.com/NHLAdamK

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Holmgren said Lecavalier is still 2-3 weeks away. Very encouraged with his progress
Source: https://twitter.com/tpanotchCSN

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12-19-2013, 09:51 AM
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Looking like B. Schenn will play tonight.

I'm pretty surprised.

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12-19-2013, 09:52 AM
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B. Schenn is on the ice at the morning skate.




Source: https://twitter.com/NHLAdamK

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Source: https://twitter.com/tpanotchCSN
Vinny isn't supposed to play tonight though, is he?

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Vinny isn't supposed to play tonight though, is he?
No, not close to playing. Just skating.

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12-19-2013, 09:55 AM
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No, not close to playing. Just skating.
That's what I thought. Skating is better than nothing!

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12-19-2013, 09:59 AM
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That's what I thought. Skating is better than nothing!
He (Lecavalier) said earlier in the week that he skated as far back as the Dallas game but he was restricted in what he could do. But the spasms are now reduced and he is trying to do longer strides in his skating. Apparently, his back locked up during the Nashville game and he felt it during his shootout attempt.

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12-19-2013, 10:11 AM
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Schenn is now confirmed by Berube to be playing tonight.

Source: Sam C. @ Philly Inq.

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12-19-2013, 10:15 AM
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Schenn is now confirmed by Berube to be playing tonight.

Source: Sam C. @ Philly Inq.
That's crazy considering the hit. Hopefully he's not being rushed back.

I honestly do believe he's OK though, I just hope I'm right.

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He (Lecavalier) said earlier in the week that he skated as far back as the Dallas game but he was restricted in what he could do. But the spasms are now reduced and he is trying to do longer strides in his skating. Apparently, his back locked up during the Nashville game and he felt it during his shootout attempt.
He was also taking shots yesterday from what I heard. Probably not hard ones but its still progress.

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12-19-2013, 10:30 AM
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^ This is an update from Sam C., FWIW:

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Vinny has best practice since injury, says returning for first road trip after Christmas is possibility
Source: https://twitter.com/BroadStBull

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And from Tim Panaccio ‏@tpanotchCSN:

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So Schenn playing tonight ... Lecavalier told me this was his "best" day on ice and hopes to be back sooner than 2 weeks - post X-Mas trip

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12-19-2013, 10:33 AM
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It is unbelievable that Schenn has not yet been tested for a concussion.

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Still waiting for someone to provide a link to the Flyers announcing that he wasn't tested.

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Still waiting for someone to provide a link to the Flyers announcing that he wasn't tested.
See here.

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Schenn underwent X-rays to check his neck and back for fractures. He did not undergo a concussion baseline test, despite the obvious head trauma. He said that's because he did not feel any symptoms once he made it to the locker room.

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12-19-2013, 11:13 AM
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Let's hope it's not a MAB situation.....

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The training staff is incompetent.

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12-19-2013, 11:24 AM
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The training staff is incompetent.
It is pretty stupid that they have not done a baseline test, just from a company insurance and liability purpose... never mind Schenns health.

They obviously do not understand concussions if they think an x ray is ok.

But if he genuinely feels ok it is a good sign, when I had my 'big' concussion (two other baby ones where I was out but was fine straight after) I would not have been able to turn the light on never mind skate in the two days after.

But we had that before with MAB and look how that turned out.

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12-19-2013, 11:27 AM
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But we had that before with MAB and look how that turned out.
Yep. And, a lot of players will say anything just so they can keep playing. Like Lappy.

Below-average banana slugs learn from their mistakes faster than McCrossin and Co.

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12-19-2013, 11:35 AM
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Players and people in general don't always tend to do what's best for their health. So Schenn saying he's fine isn't anything reassuring.

Regardless of what a player says this is a very wealthy organization so I don't see why precautionary concussion testing is a problem. If Schenn turns out to have a concussion from this and we find that out somewhere down the line I just give up.

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This is the org that has watched Lindros, Primeau, Lappy, and MAB get destroyed by concussions in a little over a decade and they still don't have a clue.

They probably told him to go home, vigorously shake his head for an hour to clear any cobwebs, then soak in a bathtub filled with ice.

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12-19-2013, 11:46 AM
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That has got to be the most insane thing I've ever heard. You HAVE to do the baseline tests after the way he reacted to that hit.

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It is pretty stupid that they have not done a baseline test, just from a company insurance and liability purpose... never mind Schenns health.

They obviously do not understand concussions if they think an x ray is ok.

But if he genuinely feels ok it is a good sign, when I had my 'big' concussion (two other baby ones where I was out but was fine straight after) I would not have been able to turn the light on never mind skate in the two days after.

But we had that before with MAB and look how that turned out.
so just because Schenn claims he felt fine above the neck, the said ok we dont need to do a concussion baseline. they are taking the players word that he is fine. Of course the player is going to say he is fine. If he plays tonight and starts to feel symptoms once his heart rate and all go up I am not going to be happy and the medical staff once again have another mark against them.
Not sure what the big deal is to the player. if he passes he passes and is good to go tonight. if not then we saved him from hurting the rest of his season. so dumb from everyone on so many levels.

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This is the org that has watched Lindros, Primeau, Lappy, and MAB get destroyed by concussions in a little over a decade and they still don't have a clue.

They probably told him to go home, vigorously shake his head for an hour to clear any cobwebs, then soak in a bathtub filled with ice.
And Pronger.

Did Roenick not get a severe concussion in his last year here and was rushed back, when he got his jaw broken? When he said about 2 weeks before he played again that he was contemplating retirement as he was having so much trouble.

Kapanen was always constantly playing after sustaining obvious concussions (3 off the top of my head where he was back virtually instantly, then was out again once or twice.)

Desjardins retirement was partially down to concussions was it not?

Kim Johnsson as well before we traded him. Pretty sure he ended up retiring partially due to multiple concussions.

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This is the org that has watched Lindros, Primeau, Lappy, and MAB get destroyed by concussions in a little over a decade and they still don't have a clue.

They probably told him to go home, vigorously shake his head for an hour to clear any cobwebs, then soak in a bathtub filled with ice.
Pronger? Granted, PCS wasn't the only thing getting in his way, but still.

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