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12-19-2013, 08:53 PM
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Which is basically why player 1 to 5 is Guy Lafleur.
Guy was so damned fun to watch because he was almost all just pure instinct.
Most of the time he didn‘t even know what he was going to do till he did it.

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I honestly can‘t make heads or tails of the criteria he‘s using.
I tried early on. So lets go with "Favorite Player All Time" Rhiess.... who for example is your "favorite goalie all time" irrespective of stats?

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I tried early on. So lets go with "Favorite Player All Time" Rhiess.... who for example is your "favorite goalie all time" irrespective of stats?
I think my avatar gives that one away

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I think my avatar gives that one away
He was cool. Very erudite. 1970's. One of the things I loved about Kenny was that he was off grid & off radar. An NCAA Star & essentially, effectively classified as a forever Jr.B Goalie. Best kind. Learned. Road less traveled. Noted in Junior that many of the best never went beyond Jr.B or C in Southern Ontario.

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Post 1950:

1) Gretzky
2) Orr
3) Mario
4) Howe


Have to determine order of rest... From early to latest:
Richard
Kelly
Harvey
Sawchuk
Plante
Beliveau
Hull
Mikita
Phil Esposito
Bobby Clarke
Guy Lafleur
Dryden
Denis Potvin
Bossy
Coffey
Bourque
Roy
Messier
Brett Hull
Jagr
Lindros
Hasek
Ovechkin
Crosby

That is who I include over time. I would have to order them. The ommissions are many. Yzerman, Hall, Sakic, Forsberg, Brodeur, Bathgate, Lidstrom, Pronger.... Others. It is my very short list, based on the parameters of peak and greatness but not longevity. The guys that are the least great by career on my list had 3 or more year runs where they were top of the world. Like Brett Hull who scored ridiculous number of goals for 3 years, and Lindros who was a force of nature for 5 or so years. Dryden's career is absurd in terms of winning. Parent is so close to my list but not quite. Included Bobby Clarke who might not make it on longevity but was so dominant two ways on a winning team for more then just a couple seasons.

Pronger never really strung together peak seasons. Lidstrom was near perfect for like 15 years but never really had a truly dominating enough season to make my list (only in these parameters! He is still high on my list of top defenders).

So 17 forwards, 6 defencemen and 5 goalies. 28 players. All of whom could have a legitimate argument that they were the best player in the world for at least a couple of seasons.

50's - 5
60's - 4
70's - 6
80's - 5
90's - 6
00's - 2


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12-20-2013, 09:17 AM
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I agree that Lidstrom never had a real peak as high as some others. Replace him with Lafleur (how could I forget him?)

Datsyuk's peak was way lower than others here. Doesn't crack Top 10 for sure.

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1. Alexei Yagudin
2. Dick Button
3. Evgeny Plushenko
4. Brian Boitano
5. Michelle Kwan

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I admire Gretzky to no end, but from the pure excitement standpoint he cannot even match Bure. That's not to say he wouldn't beat him squarely by virtue of numbers and winning pedigree.

Lidstrom was a pleasure to watch because he was so smooth. But this is one poll where I can see myself putting Potvin over him.
But this is a matter of how you see the game (and how many times you watch some plays), and a matter of taste. I've spent quite a bit of time trying to understand Gretzky's plays and as a byproduct have learned to appreciate the cerebral game. Much more so than flashy cool looking stuff. Maybe obvious flashiness doesn't really impress me? Many will disagree partially or totally. Just some thoughts on the subjective view.

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6. Pavel Bure. I think they invented YouTube just for this guy. Not much in the way of winning, but the 94 playoffs and 98 Olympics were runs for the ages.
That was a bad day for the Finnish team, not so much about Bure being great. Could've been any number of speedy snipers in that game. Finland has a long tradition in totally melting in important games.

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Aurel Joliat

...by Wilson MacDonald
here a few of the 18 verses....

Monsieur Joliat


Wen I am tire of travail-trop
I put on coat of coon
And go see Canadiens make meence-meat of Maroon

When Joliat skate out I yell
Unteel I have a pain
I trow my ‘at up in the hair
And shout “Urrah,” again.

“Shut up, Pea Soup”, an Henglishman
Sourcastic say to me;
So I turn round to heem and yell :
“Shut up, you Cup of Tea.”

Dat was a ver’ exciting game:
De score eet was a tie;
An’ den dat leetle Joliat
Get hanger een hees heye.

He was so queek he mak’ dem look
Jus’ lak’ a lot of clown
An, wen he shoot, de wind from ‘er
Eet knock de hompire down.

Dat was de winning goal, ‘urrah;
De game she come to hend.
I yell: “Bravo for Joliat;
You ‘ear: ‘e ees ma friend.”

De Henglishman he say: “Pardon,”
An’ he tak off hees hat:
“De Breetish Hempire steel ees safe
Wen men can shoot lak’ dat.”

An’ den he say, “Bravo,” as hard
As Henglishman can whoop:
“I tink tonight I’ll change from tea
To bally ole pea-soup.”

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But this is a matter of how you see the game (and how many times you watch some plays), and a matter of taste. I've spent quite a bit of time trying to understand Gretzky's plays and as a byproduct have learned to appreciate the cerebral game. Much more so than flashy cool looking stuff. Maybe obvious flashiness doesn't really impress me? Many will disagree partially or totally. Just some thoughts on the subjective view.
Almost any player can go end to end at one time or another. I watched Lyle freakin Odelein go end to end and score once for pete's sake. Some players, like Bure, just did it more often.
It's the plays that very few players can do that are the most special. Like a lot of the plays Gretzky did and to a lesser amount like Lemieux did.

This goal from the '02 Olympics for example

Or Gretzky...
or Greztky again...

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