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01-02-2014, 02:12 PM
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Already have quite enough fourth liners without downgrading White.

Konopka is probably the biggest example around of someone who engages in staged hugging contests to pad his fight stats and justify his NHL career. Not what I consider 'providing toughness'.
Hell fight when needed and can be called on to win draws. With parros out of the lineup he'd be what first or second toughest on the team ( behind prust)? He's certainly tougher than White, although white brings something That zenon does not, but he is good on draws.

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01-02-2014, 02:13 PM
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funny they let Taylor Pyatt go to Pittsburgh. Then they wanna cry about being undersized.

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01-02-2014, 02:14 PM
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I don't mind; but we have enough useless plugs as it is. Parros can't even get a skate in these days, there's no room for Konopka.
For good reason, he's struggling with concussion issues and is on his way to meet with a specialist:
http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/20...ion-specialist

As for Konopka, he's good at faceoffs, however White is pretty good in that regards as well. He's not a good fighter and he's bad player, so I wouldn't bother, even for free.

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01-02-2014, 02:15 PM
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A few years ago I would of said yes, but he looks done now, Prust pounded him a few weeks ago, He still wins alot of faceoffs but White is pretty good on the draws too so I don't see where this guy would get any playing time

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01-02-2014, 03:06 PM
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Hell fight when needed and can be called on to win draws. With parros out of the lineup he'd be what first or second toughest on the team ( behind prust)? He's certainly tougher than White, although white brings something That zenon does not, but he is good on draws.
He doesn't fight 'when needed' though. He fights when it's completely unnecessary for no reason other than to make it look like he has a point.

He's got a lengthy fightcard and hardly any of them were about sticking up for teammates or relating to anything that was happening in the match at all.

Much prefer White who will go after players for an actual reason.

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01-02-2014, 03:26 PM
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He doesn't fight 'when needed' though. He fights when it's completely unnecessary for no reason other than to make it look like he has a point.

He's got a lengthy fightcard and hardly any of them were about sticking up for teammates or relating to anything that was happening in the match at all.

Much prefer White who will go after players for an actual reason.
You think he fights on his own schedule? That's a first rate way to find a bus ticket or a personalized seat in the press box.

I'm not saying he's great but I've seen what happens in the second half of a season when the only one who can answer the bell is Prust ( who has done a pretty good job this year). If things go south or prusts wonky shoulder acts up again, we are exactly where we were last year ( parros being the wild card). You can only rely on Moen and white for so much, and even then it tops out at light heavies.

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01-02-2014, 03:35 PM
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You think he fights on his own schedule? That's a first rate way to find a bus ticket or a personalized seat in the press box.

I'm not saying he's great but I've seen what happens in the second half of a season when the only one who can answer the bell is Prust ( who has done a pretty good job this year). If things go south or prusts wonky shoulder acts up again, we are exactly where we were last year ( parros being the wild card). You can only rely on Moen and white for so much, and even then it tops out at light heavies.
And still... Konopka is decidedly NOT the droid you're looking for. Even worse now than when people were pining for him months and months ago.

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01-02-2014, 03:40 PM
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When is Team Canada naming their roster?

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01-02-2014, 03:46 PM
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And still... Konopka is decidedly NOT the droid you're looking for. Even worse now than when people were pining for him months and months ago.
Going from a one trick pony to a two trick pony where one can win faceoffs, isn't like getting poked
With a stick in the eye.

Is konopka the straw that stirs the drink? Hell no. But if staschy is out long term, what's to stop any team from exploiting our perpetually undersized top 9, again?

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01-02-2014, 03:47 PM
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I'm personally extremely jealous of the recent and past success the Leafs have had relative to the Habs, as well as some of their awesome players (Bozak, Fraser, etc...).
I agree, the Leafs seem to know the direction to go and are moving nicely to get there. Our team seems a bit confused.

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01-02-2014, 03:54 PM
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You think he fights on his own schedule? That's a first rate way to find a bus ticket or a personalized seat in the press box.
That's not really a come back when he's just been waived...

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01-02-2014, 03:56 PM
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But if staschy is out long term, what's to stop any team from exploiting our perpetually undersized top 9, again?
What's been stopping them in the entire season minus 35 minutes that he hasn't been on the ice so far?

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01-02-2014, 03:56 PM
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I agree, the Leafs seem to know the direction to go and are moving nicely to get there. Our team seems a bit confused.
I was assuming that waffledave was being facetious. Holy ****.

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01-02-2014, 04:06 PM
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I agree, the Leafs seem to know the direction to go and are moving nicely to get there. Our team seems a bit confused.
The Leafs take one step forward and two steps back. I thought they'd learned their lesson but there they are giving out stupid deals to Clarkson.

They have some good young talent and I thought they'd have improved but I'd much rather be in our shoes than theirs now and going forward. As for the past... is this even a question?

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01-02-2014, 04:10 PM
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Going from a one trick pony to a two trick pony where one can win faceoffs, isn't like getting poked
With a stick in the eye.

Is konopka the straw that stirs the drink? Hell no. But if staschy is out long term, what's to stop any team from exploiting our perpetually undersized top 9, again?
I think Konopka is even less capable of skating a regular shift than Parros, and he's certainly not 6'5" either. But reality means being patient through the conversion to wing of a player with marginal skills/hockey I.Q. to begin with, or mess with our current centres by way of a lateral move at best (if we're talking about White as the 4th C, as opposed to an equally valid depth chart where Briere or DD is written in as the 4th C instead).

Just too many reasons why Konopka is a "do not want" for me, but it boils down to him being a terrible player who intimidates no one with his huggy fights. The only things you have to worry about with him are the kind of things that will get him suspended long term anyway, so why bother acquiring him? Too much bad play to deal with between "uses". I could see finding a use for him if he was already here with term left on a contract or something, but going out to get him, and finding a way to shoehorn him into whatever we're trying to do, just doesn't make sense to me.

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01-02-2014, 04:15 PM
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funny they let Taylor Pyatt go to Pittsburgh. Then they wanna cry about being undersized.
Pyatt is big and soft. Doesn't hit or fight and only has 12 points in 70 games the last 2 years. He makes Bourque look like Lucic.

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No he's not great and probably not a better overall package than White on the fourth line, but with the parros situation uncertain, he would bring toughness and he's above average on face offs.

I'm not sure if this is a lateral move or a slight improvement, by all accounts he's a great team are who understands his roles. I'm not blind to his liabilities and he will probably be claimed, should the has kick the tires?
If Parros is out long term I wouldn't have a problem getting him. Not that he beats people up but at leasty he keeps the thugs occupied.

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I agree, the Leafs seem to know the direction to go and are moving nicely to get there. Our team seems a bit confused.
The Leafs are a lot more confused than the Habs. Kessel and Phaneuf deals are too much, Clarkson's is brutal. They are not developping young players, Gardiner and Kadri may be moved, Rielly should be back in junior.

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01-02-2014, 06:20 PM
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What's been stopping them in the entire season minus 35 minutes that he hasn't been on the ice so far?
Just wondering. Does the fact that we fell backwards into the division lead last year take away any of the bitter taste of being handily dispatched by the gd Ottawa senators?

it doesn't for me.

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01-02-2014, 08:01 PM
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Winnipeg is brutal defensively...proves that size is not the be all and end all...

Making Ottawa's offense look good with poor coverage all over the place.


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Looks like the Elliott has taken over #1A like clockwork.

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Winnipeg is brutal defensively...proves that size is not the be all and end all...

Making Ottawa's offense look good with poor coverage all over the place.
So because the Jets are so bad defensively, it shows something about the value of size?

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01-03-2014, 12:08 AM
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Winnipeg is brutal defensively...proves that size is not the be all and end all...

Making Ottawa's offense look good with poor coverage all over the place.
What the? No.. It doesn't prove anything. Nobody is saying big defenseman = good defenseman.

A good big defenseman > A good small defenseman. That's the difference.

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Looks like the Elliott has taken over #1A like clockwork.
Or simply being given a chance to run with his hot hand and keep the 1 in his 1B status. You should know better by now than to proclaim that Elliot has become any team's true 1st choice as a goalie, because you should know it won't be long until he reminds everyone why he's not. And if you watched any of the games, and I know you didn't, you'd know that Hitchcock isn't placing too much blame on Halak for being the goalie behind some of the efforts they were putting up before getting their act together. Mid-December was rough for the Blues, shutting down us and the Oilers aside, and discipline problems leading to PP goals against and uphill 1st periods was an issue.

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Ohashi, I think that's what 1A means. You're not the clear cut starter if you're 1A.

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Ohashi, I think that's what 1A means. You're not the clear cut starter if you're 1A.
Using the 1B doesn't make him the 1A. After all, neither gets the "1" in front of their designation without being given chances to run with it when they're hot. Call it semantics, I call it being accurate.

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So because the Jets are so bad defensively, it shows something about the value of size?
They are a clear exhibit that a big skilled player is not necessarily better than a smaller skilled player. Character and work ethic get massively underrated on here. That's why we keep reading how Kane or Byfuglien should be guys we give up the farm for, I see huge flaws in both.

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What the? No.. It doesn't prove anything. Nobody is saying big defenseman = good defenseman.

A good big defenseman > A good small defenseman. That's the difference.
Read some of the posts when Byfuglien starts to get mentionned.

Plus way too much size obsession on here in general.

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