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12-24-2013, 01:48 AM
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If we get a great center... I can see Bergs getting shopped out. He will be shopped out of 3rd line center for upgrade. He won't settle for 4th line center even though he deserves it despite his cost. I think a lot will come to if we address the center need.

But the outcome of Bergs is looking grim.
Why are you such a negative poster? You hate Cole and Berglund what other players? Seriously hard to take a poster seriously who has such a jaded view on players.

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12-24-2013, 04:11 AM
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Your monotone on this issue has been made clear. Its tiring to read the insults. Why not just write him a letter and spare the rest of us.
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12-24-2013, 05:07 AM
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I just wonder what kind of contract he'd be wanting with his young age, rising cap, and wide-range of comparables on the good and bad side. That will be the deciding factor on his long-term future here.
Agree with you. We should hopefully have Sobotka signed long term soon, and that will give us some leverage over Berglund.

I want to keep Berglund as our third line centre, but the reality is if he is looking for $4m then I hope he likes Edmonton.

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12-24-2013, 09:17 AM
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Why are you such a negative poster? You hate Cole and Berglund what other players? Seriously hard to take a poster seriously who has such a jaded view on players.
Doesn't really matter what kind of a poster I am. Usually ignored anyways and my opinions have never been valued. So cheers. I will probably not post much anymore. <3

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12-24-2013, 10:01 AM
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Doesn't really matter what kind of a poster I am. Usually ignored anyways and my opinions have never been valued. So cheers. I will probably not post much anymore. <3
No one is right or wrong. We all have different opinions. I see your point. Hopefully Hitch can make a winner here and not disassemble it as he did in Dallas. Nice to inherit what he did. If we aren't going to use Berglund, then we should consider turning him into a usable asset.

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12-24-2013, 05:26 PM
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No one is right or wrong. We all have different opinions. I see your point. Hopefully Hitch can make a winner here and not disassemble it as he did in Dallas. Nice to inherit what he did. If we aren't going to use Berglund, then we should consider turning him into a usable asset.
Well said, thank you.

Right now I do not think Berglund deserves a new contract since he isn't producing like a former 1st rounder Center should, making the 2006 draft the Blues had a complete bust. Good thing we flipped EJ for Shatty, Rattie and uh, yeah, Stewart.

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12-24-2013, 06:40 PM
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Well said, thank you.

Right now I do not think Berglund deserves a new contract since he isn't producing like a former 1st rounder Center should, making the 2006 draft the Blues had a complete bust. Good thing we flipped EJ for Shatty, Rattie and uh, yeah, Stewart.
He's a bust? You do know he was the 25th pick in the first round and you hardly ever get a superstar there.

He's produced 2 20 goal seasons a 50 point season scored 17 goals last season. For a late first round pick that's about what you should expect.

Just look up 25 th overall picks in the last 20 years. Heck look up first round picks after the top 5 and see.
One bad season and one bad half season erases eveything else?.

Really the only player drafted after him I would prefer is Lucic. You could argue Clutterbuck or Marchant as well but a lot of teams passed them up as well.

You really have unrealistic expectations for players drafted in the 1st round to cause Berglund a bust.


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12-24-2013, 07:49 PM
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We get it, you love Berglund.

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12-24-2013, 08:37 PM
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We get it, you love Berglund.
I just have realistic expectations for our players and don't feel a need to have a whipping boy on our team.

You tend to see what you are looking to see when watching a player if you look for negatives in their play you will find them.

Negative people always need to look for negative things.


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12-24-2013, 11:24 PM
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Not every player drafted in the first round is going to become some point-per-game superstar. Berglund has been fine for where he was drafted, he is not even close to a bust. Marek Schwarz was a bust. Patrik Berglund is an NHL caliber player with size and two-way abilities. He's a serviceable 2nd liner and an ideal 3rd line center. That's pretty good for a first round pick.

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12-25-2013, 01:11 AM
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Not every player drafted in the first round is going to become some point-per-game superstar. Berglund has been fine for where he was drafted, he is not even close to a bust. Marek Schwarz was a bust. Patrik Berglund is an NHL caliber player with size and two-way abilities. He's a serviceable 2nd liner and an ideal 3rd line center. That's pretty good for a first round pick.
Berglund is NOT a bust. His progress to this point is acceptable for a #24 pick.

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Berglund is NOT a bust. His progress to this point is acceptable for a #24 pick.
Haha I'm not sure if you're intention was to repeat what I said but regardless I agree!

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12-25-2013, 04:43 PM
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my least favorite player on the team. has done so little and still sees ice every game. slow, inaccurate shot, no hockey sense, won't fight, overpaid. i just don't get how he fits on this team.

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12-26-2013, 07:56 AM
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Tbh I don't like Berglund. He isn't as productive as he should be and he is overpaid. We should move on. Hopefully we will get a #1 center so Backes could move to #2 where he belongs.

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12-26-2013, 08:06 AM
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Tbh I don't like Berglund. He isn't as productive as he should be and he is overpaid. We should move on. Hopefully we will get a #1 center so Backes could move to #2 where he belongs.
I should just change this dollar in my pocket to a winning mega millions ticket.

Berglund is what he is, a streaky scoring defensively responsible center with some serious size.

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12-26-2013, 08:19 AM
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Eh, I've been ready to give up on Berglund, but after watching how Steen has progressed, and how badly Bergie's been missed in games where we didn't have him, I hope they're patient with him unlike a lot of Blues fans. I hope I'm proven wrong.

I wish he'd keep using his frame and started getting to the middle of the ice with authority more often.

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12-26-2013, 08:44 AM
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Eh, I've been ready to give up on Berglund, but after watching how Steen has progressed, and how badly Bergie's been missed in games where we didn't have him, I hope they're patient with him unlike a lot of Blues fans. I hope I'm proven wrong.

I wish he'd keep using his frame and started getting to the middle of the ice with authority more often.
He's too slow and by no means physical. If he was traded we would ofcourse search for a replacement...it's not like we would be giving him up for free, so you can't say we will miss him badly. My main issue with him is that he's overpaid and doesn't make an impact in games. Even Sobotka contributes more on both ends.

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12-26-2013, 09:34 AM
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He's too slow and by no means physical. If he was traded we would ofcourse search for a replacement...it's not like we would be giving him up for free, so you can't say we will miss him badly. My main issue with him is that he's overpaid and doesn't make an impact in games. Even Sobotka contributes more on both ends.
OK. So who should we get then, to replace him? What upgrade might be available to trade for? Would it take more than Bergie to get this guy you're thinking of? And if so, how much more and would it be something we could live with getting rid of? What kind of an impact would this have on our future?

Please elaborate some more than just "Berglund sux, get someone else!"

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12-26-2013, 10:09 AM
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OK. So who should we get then, to replace him? What upgrade might be available to trade for? Would it take more than Bergie to get this guy you're thinking of? And if so, how much more and would it be something we could live with getting rid of? What kind of an impact would this have on our future?

Please elaborate some more than just "Berglund sux, get someone else!"
I will be the first to say that I do not think Berglund sux. Don't misread that I necessarily want him gone. He just doesn't work well in this "system." It is becoming as redundant and ridiculous as getting a bunch of Sutters thinking you are going to win. Obviously, dump Stewart and Berglund after scoring 18 and 17 goals respectively last year in favor of 4 goal scoring 20 minute a night Oshie is going to make us a winner. But hey.....Let's give Hitch the benefit of the doubt, he did inherit a cup team before dismantling it. Berglund's size will be much needed in the playoffs after the new version of Sutters start disappearing again. Read some history on Modano and Hull with Dallas. Hull's not totally "buying in" landed him a cup in Detroit. I see too many holes in the X's and O's to see this working come playoff time.

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Berglund is the most frustrating player on the team for me.

That said, he's not a bust and certainly fills a role, even if it's not the one many hoped for.

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OK. So who should we get then, to replace him? What upgrade might be available to trade for? Would it take more than Bergie to get this guy you're thinking of? And if so, how much more and would it be something we could live with getting rid of? What kind of an impact would this have on our future?

Please elaborate some more than just "Berglund sux, get someone else!"
Berglund + Stewart would give us a nice return. They don't fit in the system and I can't really understand why people defend them so much. Blues would be a lot better with a guy like Paul Stastny instead of these guys. Depth is fine anyway, we need some more skill up front that makes a difference in playoffs.

Alexander Steen - David Backes - TJ Oshie
Jaden Schwartz - Paul Stastny - Vladimir Tarasenko
Vladimir Sobotka - Derek Roy - Dmitrij Jaskin
Magnus Paajarvi - Maxim Lapierre - Ryan Reaves

This is a better Blues team.

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Berglund + Stewart would give us a nice return. They don't fit in the system and I can't really understand why people defend them so much. Blues would be a lot better with a guy like Paul Stastny instead of these guys. Depth is fine anyway, we need some more skill up front that makes a difference in playoffs.

Alexander Steen - David Backes - TJ Oshie
Jaden Schwartz - Paul Stastny - Vladimir Tarasenko
Vladimir Sobotka - Derek Roy - Dmitrij Jaskin
Magnus Paajarvi - Maxim Lapierre - Ryan Reaves

This is a better Blues team.
Yeah well convince Paul Statsny of that, cause he's the only one who decides if he plays on this team not the fans you're pretending to know better than.

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Yeah well convince Paul Statsny of that, cause he's the only one who decides if he plays on this team not the fans you're pretending to know better than.
The thing I find funny is all the fans want to dump Stewart but Stewart and Statsny are friends and Stewart may be a key to getting him to play for us. Dumping Stewart may hurt our chances of signing Statsny.

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12-26-2013, 01:20 PM
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The thing I find funny is all the fans want to dump Stewart but Stewart and Statsny are friends and Stewart may be a key to getting him to play for us. Dumping Stewart may hurt our chances of signing Statsny.
This.

Reuniting these two isn't a bad thing at all. If it means shipping out Berglund to make room for him here, you do it in a heartbeat.

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This.

Reuniting these two isn't a bad thing at all. If it means shipping out Berglund to make room for him here, you do it in a heartbeat.
Excellent, tell Army to make the deal!

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