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07-31-2005, 06:41 AM
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Guys, what are we going to do about Primeau this year?

He's been such a nemesis. Taking liberties with Eddie. It went to the point where no Leaf could handle him so Eddie took matters into his own hands and took a shot at Primeau.

Well, this ruffled the Eagle's feathers and threw him off his game.

Every Leaf should have been ashamed for leaving Eddie alone to be mauled by these behemoths in Primeau and the likes.

Now that the draft is over and tomorrow is free agency, rosters should be taking shape. What are we going to do to address this? It is of the utmost importance.

Any fool can recognize that for two years in a row, this is one of the main reasons why we lost to Philly.

We would be stupid if we let this happen a third time. Surely JFJ must see this.

If we can't solve Primeau, I'm willing to get a doll of him and go learn some of that voodoo stuff...I'm serious!

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He's been such a nemesis. Taking liberties with Eddie. It went to the point where no Leaf could handle him so Eddie took matters into his own hands and took a shot at Primeau.

Well, this ruffled the Eagle's feathers and threw him off his game.

Every Leaf should have been ashamed for leaving Eddie alone to be mauled by these behemoths in Primeau and the likes.

Now that the draft is over and tomorrow is free agency, rosters should be taking shape. What are we going to do to address this? It is of the utmost importance.

Any fool can recognize that for two years in a row, this is one of the main reasons why we lost to Philly.

We would be stupid if we let this happen a third time. Surely JFJ must see this.

If we can't solve Primeau, I'm willing to get a doll of him and go learn some of that voodoo stuff...I'm serious!

It's time for the Leafs to put their Foote down!

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It's time for the Leafs to put their Foote down!

For sure. Time to start the season on the right Foote.

I guess UFA is the most viable option for the Leafs.

I was sorta hoping for somebody in the system to take on that role. The role is there for the taking, but unfortunately the guys I had hope for are just not panning out. I was quietly hoping for Jay Harrison but his development just took a different turn over some time, I don't know.

Another I had in mind was Doherty but the guy is taking some weird steps in his development...like taking a year off of hockey!!! I don't quite get him.

One who I am hoping for is maybe Kronwall. He's big and probably strong like most Swedes. But will he use his tools? If he's the sum of his parts, then maybe he can do the job. With Primeau you gotta throw everything at him.

That about does it, so Foote looks like the only option. (hint hint, JFJ?)

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If we can't solve Primeau, I'm willing to get a doll of him and go learn some of that voodoo stuff...I'm serious!
If you don't just relax and spend the time preparing for your team's OBVIOUS fate, you're not going to enjoy the season. :

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For sure. Time to start the season on the right Foote.
Yea, and we're gonna face Philly in the first month or something.

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It's time for the Leafs to put their Foote down!
He just might end up in Philly and not Toronto...

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If you don't just relax and spend the time preparing for your team's OBVIOUS fate, you're not going to enjoy the season. :
A flyers fan? Here?

How did you get past the guards?

seriously though it's more then Primeau and the Flyers, our Defense needs more Defense in it!

Signed Leaf Blueliners

Kaberle
Klee
McCabe

Klee is the most defensive one there and he's not exactly speedy.

the RFA's are

Berg
Pilar

Berg's allright for a bottom pairing guy but he's not going to be the difference maker unless he has a brain cramp and coughs up the puck, which doesn't exactly happen often, but he doesn't throw his weight around either.

and we all Remember Pilar waiting for Primeau to go into the corner first from the last game. even though he scored later to tie the game up it was that, Cowardice, that damn near cost us that elimination playoff game in regulation, though Roenick came back later to end it all for us(flyers fan laugh if you want but you were Eliminated by tampa bay, you guys know the pain too, give a hug and not of the bear variety)

so bassicly Toronto needs a shot in the arm of Defense on the blue line, And either Foote or Rathje would do just that.

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He just might end up in Philly and not Toronto...
He might just end up ANYWHERE, D-man of Foote's caliber don't show up often, he'll be a hot commodity.

that said whoever loses the Foote sweepstakes is probably a winner in the Rathje one.

and the bronze is probably Zhitnik

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If you don't just relax and spend the time preparing for your team's OBVIOUS fate, you're not going to enjoy the season. :

Primeau needs to be solved. We failed twice, but Leafs will be third time lucky.

It's how were going to do it remains to be seen, but we will do it. We will exhaust all options and I mean all. We owe it to Eddie.

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You're way overreacting.

Primeau did nothing at the ACC, and he was the beneficiary of selected juicy giveaways by McCabe and an undersized blueline corps.

All the Leafs have to do is get some more toughness back there and they'll handle him fine.

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were going to put a Foote in his arse

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I've got people working on the Primeau situation...

let's just say he won't be running our goalie anytime soon with no knees...

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You're way overreacting.

Primeau did nothing at the ACC, and he was the beneficiary of selected juicy giveaways by McCabe and an undersized blueline corps.

All the Leafs have to do is get some more toughness back there and they'll handle him fine.
I remember that... he sucked at the ACC.

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A couple seasons away, but Vorobiev and Kronwall.

Hatcher is available right now, but no surprise if he returns to Dallas.

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Philly's playoff defeat of Toronto was the classic definition of a "phyrric victory". That series was extremely physical and left both teams very battered. Either team as a victor would have been at a significant disadvantage facing a well rested, speedy Tampa Lightning team. Can't take away from the fact though that Philly's victory was well earned.

The addition of Jeff O'Neill up front will help the cause. He's a skilled, big forward, who has some grit. I don't see Mogilny coming back to Toronto unless he's willing to take a significant pay cut. As an older player coming off hip surgery, he's a bit of a question mark. In a world filled with quality UFA's, I can see Toronto offering him something in the $2 million to $2.75 million range for a one year contract. They won't go much better than that and if that doesn't work for Mogs, they'll go out and get a younger quality forward, even it costs them a little more.

Getting Roberts and Nieuwy back at $1million to $1.5 million a piece has some importance. If Toronto can do that, we get 2 decent players with a year left in them at a cheap price. Fills 2 holes economically and lets us use our limited budget to try and make the team better.

Jury is out if Mogs will be back. He'll have to be willing to take a significant salary cut for that to happen with the Leafs. If not, Toronto will let him go and use the money to acquire a younger forward. That player will not have the same skill set but will still put decent points on the board and play the game with more grit (not to say that Mogs was a powerpuff).

Cola makes the team this year. His adjusted salary will be about $850,000. Given our budget limitations and the fact that it's time to give him a shot, means he should make the team. In my mind, Kaberle, McCabe, Cola round out of 7 spots on the team. Pilar at the league minimum will be our 6th/7th defenceman. That leaves 3 positions open. Berg may be back but at a million maximum or less. IMHO, Leetch will not be back. The money that Leetch would receive is better spent on going towards a capable physical defenceman who can and will ensure the crease is clear. Kaberle, McCabe and Cola are actually fairly offensive defencemen in their own right. In short, we have enough offensive flair to our defence but need to get tougher.

Grin, one thing about the new CBA, Quinn is going to be forced to play the kids ALOT more. That means giving them a chance to begin with.

JFJ is also going to do the best he can to glean the UFA players who truly want to play in Toronto enuf to take a pay cut. He has no choice and the market knows this. In other words, if an agent approaches Toronto or advises his player is interested, that pretty much means they're likely to be quite flexible re salary. Otherwise, they're just wasting their time and should know that going in. We've already heard names like Alliston and Lindros. I am not a Lindros fan but if he's willing to play for a million dollars, I'd sign him to a one or two year contract.

Many disagree with me, but I'd gamble a bit and sign Anson Carter for $750,00 to a million dollars. His star has really fallen, but he had some good years in the past and is a Toronto boy. I'd be surprised if he wasn't willing to be flexible on salary in order to play in his hometown. Playing in front of friends and family and under the stern eyes of Roberts, Quinn and others might motivate him to get his A game back. IMHO, he'd look good on the 3rd line at the price we could get him for.

Many also disagree with me in respect of Travis Green. He had his issues, but for the money he could be signed for, he'd also look good on the 3rd/4th line.

Anyhow, that's my off the cuff 2 cents... LOL, take me to task!!

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Many also disagree with me in respect of Travis Green. He had his issues, but for the money he could be signed for, he'd also look good on the 3rd/4th line.
For 450k, two-way contract, I still wouldn't do it.

At this point I can't see Green offering anything more than you'd get with a prospect.

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I've got people working on the Primeau situation...

let's just say he won't be running our goalie anytime soon with no knees...

That's what I'm talking about.

Although I don't wish any ill will on anybody, I just want somebody to nonchalantly line him up and give him a gentle check that causes his one knee to go in the east direction and one in the west direction resulting in a graceful fall where his head accidently bounces off the ice.

Our player gets no penalty and the play goes on until the ref sees a player in obvious distress and stops the play.

The commentators will be saying, "Oh, it seemed like such a harmless hit but Primeau is having a hard time getting off the ice. Folks, looks like they are bringing out the stretcher. You know Harry, some of these hits look so harmless but they can put a player out of action for such a long time. I agree Bob, we seen examples of that hit right here in the ACC with Dougy and the Nolan hit."

All the while us Leaf fans will be doing this:

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Philly's playoff defeat of Toronto was the classic definition of a "phyrric victory". That series was extremely physical and left both teams very battered. Either team as a victor would have been at a significant disadvantage facing a well rested, speedy Tampa Lightning team. Can't take away from the fact though that Philly's victory was well earned.

The addition of Jeff O'Neill up front will help the cause. He's a skilled, big forward, who has some grit. I don't see Mogilny coming back to Toronto unless he's willing to take a significant pay cut. As an older player coming off hip surgery, he's a bit of a question mark. In a world filled with quality UFA's, I can see Toronto offering him something in the $2 million to $2.75 million range for a one year contract. They won't go much better than that and if that doesn't work for Mogs, they'll go out and get a younger quality forward, even it costs them a little more.

Getting Roberts and Nieuwy back at $1million to $1.5 million a piece has some importance. If Toronto can do that, we get 2 decent players with a year left in them at a cheap price. Fills 2 holes economically and lets us use our limited budget to try and make the team better.

Jury is out if Mogs will be back. He'll have to be willing to take a significant salary cut for that to happen with the Leafs. If not, Toronto will let him go and use the money to acquire a younger forward. That player will not have the same skill set but will still put decent points on the board and play the game with more grit (not to say that Mogs was a powerpuff).

Cola makes the team this year. His adjusted salary will be about $850,000. Given our budget limitations and the fact that it's time to give him a shot, means he should make the team. In my mind, Kaberle, McCabe, Cola round out of 7 spots on the team. Pilar at the league minimum will be our 6th/7th defenceman. That leaves 3 positions open. Berg may be back but at a million maximum or less. IMHO, Leetch will not be back. The money that Leetch would receive is better spent on going towards a capable physical defenceman who can and will ensure the crease is clear. Kaberle, McCabe and Cola are actually fairly offensive defencemen in their own right. In short, we have enough offensive flair to our defence but need to get tougher.

Grin, one thing about the new CBA, Quinn is going to be forced to play the kids ALOT more. That means giving them a chance to begin with.

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Many disagree with me, but I'd gamble a bit and sign Anson Carter for $750,00 to a million dollars. His star has really fallen, but he had some good years in the past and is a Toronto boy. I'd be surprised if he wasn't willing to be flexible on salary in order to play in his hometown. Playing in front of friends and family and under the stern eyes of Roberts, Quinn and others might motivate him to get his A game back. IMHO, he'd look good on the 3rd line at the price we could get him for.

Many also disagree with me in respect of Travis Green. He had his issues, but for the money he could be signed for, he'd also look good on the 3rd/4th line.

Anyhow, that's my off the cuff 2 cents... LOL, take me to task!!

One of the reasons Green was let go was because he was part of the Corson Alliance. It was Corson-Green-Tucker. They got rid of the two and kept Tucker who was just confused on what side of the fence to sit on.

Remember Corson made an issue why certain players were getting x amount of minutes of ice time, or powerplay time and what not. I think it was Hoglund that they were complaining about.

Roberts did not take this lightly and he let Corson and Green know how he felt.
Roberts way is the way the Leafs went. Just to prove that, did you notice the first game that Boston and Toronto played Green and Roberts were going after each other until they finally fought.
It was all to do with what I just mentioned.

For that reason, I doubt Green would be back.

I like the Anson Carter idea. I think he would be a perfect fit.

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get home ice advantage

Home ice advantage will not stop Primeau from torpedoing himself towards Eddie.

He does it here and he does it there.

But Eddie does not like them here or there
He does not like them anywhere.

Not in a Toronto, not in Philadelphia
Not here or there, not anywhere

WE DO NOT LIKE PRIMEAU, SAM I AM

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Home ice advantage will not stop Primeau from torpedoing himself towards Eddie.
Find someone to stop him. Not many guys could last year.

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Find someone to stop him. Not many guys could last year.

That's our glaring problem right now. Actually it was our most obvious problem the last two years in the playoffs.

But you're right, we have to find somebody to stop him, Eddie will appreciate that very much.

Any suggestions?

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