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12-28-2013, 08:22 AM
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I think it a bit overpaid !! I would say he's worth about 7 years at 5.8 -6.0 av !! 7m is a bit to much but it ok for me since Toronto will have less money to get other player

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12-28-2013, 08:23 AM
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Yah Leafs fan here, def overpaid!! I get that this isnt a bad deal considering but if this means hes our captain for 7 more years then were in real trouble. Decent season but not worth 7/7. Hes def not captain material and 1 decent season in what 4/5 hes been here worth 7M per?? You have to be pretty damn good to be paid 7M to do something and hes not. But leafs fault here also, until he gets a #2 defensive guy beside him then he will never have top numbers. Same thing like expecting kessel to get 100pts in season without a top center!! Leafs will continue to frustrate their undeserving Leafs nation for years to come!!
Wishfull thinking...Sign him, trade him for drafts or prospects and tank to get Ekbland this year and McDavid nest year...then were talking!! Buuuut will never happen, tanking isnt in the Leasf DNA

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12-28-2013, 08:25 AM
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If you want to win stanley cup you can't have Phaneuf as your number 1 d-man.
Good thing they weren't gonna win the cup in the foreseeable future anyways.


I don't like Phaneuf, and I don't think he's good, but he plays some tough minutes and the Leafs don't have anyone to replace him with, what choice did they have?

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12-28-2013, 08:27 AM
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Sounds like a pretty fair deal to me. The term might be a bit too long, but still pretty solid.

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12-28-2013, 08:33 AM
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This is why GM's fought so hard to reduce max years on contract to 5 Years??!! I wish they had gotten it!!
Would Laefs fans preferred to sign this guy and lose Franson or trade Phaneuf for prospects/drafts and keep Franson at substantially lowers salary to get help elsewhere???

How to build a winner LOL

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12-28-2013, 08:34 AM
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Phaneuf has been solid for the leafs this year. Would be a very good contract for him. I don't understand the people who bash this - he would get far more on the UFA market.

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Sigh. Do some posters here know how the defenceman market looks like next year? The Leafs have no choice but to sign him.

The term might be a few years too long but it's so obvious he's going to get offered that much money and years if he goes to free agency.

This is not a bargain deal. However, the Leafs need him and this is a solid signing IMO. Also, stop comparing contracts from pre-lockout to this one (very irrelevant)

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12-28-2013, 08:36 AM
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This is why GM's fought so hard to reduce max years on contract to 5 Years??!! I wish they had gotten it!!
Would Laefs fans preferred to sign this guy and lose Franson or trade Phaneuf for prospects/drafts and keep Franson at substantially lowers salary to get help elsewhere???

How to build a winner LOL
do you just make this a decision between Phaneuf or Franson? LOL as you like to say

Franson is awful defensively, I would not want to see this team with Franson as the #1 Dman, it'd be worse than AHL level.

Franson is a good 4/5 Dman PP specialist.

It was a choice between Phaneuf or FA Signing/Trade, we have nobody on this team who could replace what Phaneuf brings

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Good

That means Holmgren won't give him the moon as a UFA

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Phaneuf has been solid for the leafs this year. Would be a very good contract for him. I don't understand the people who bash this - he would get far more on the UFA market.
I don't know about far more. This deal puts him in the top 5 paid d-men. Is he a top 5 d-man?

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12-28-2013, 08:41 AM
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do you just make this a decision between Phaneuf or Franson? LOL as you like to say

Franson is awful defensively, I would not want to see this team with Franson as the #1 Dman, it'd be worse than AHL level.

Franson is a good 4/5 Dman PP specialist.

It was a choice between Phaneuf or FA Signing/Trade, we have nobody on this team who could replace what Phaneuf brings
This a choice between a supposedly top D in Phaneuf at 7M or a top 4 defencemen in Franson at 3-4M??
For example keeping Franson and bringing in a defensive guy like Girardi woudl be better then having Phaneuf and no franson. What type of defender is Phaneuf? I think hes suppose to be an offensive guy that plays aggressive once in awhile?? For offensive Dmen Leafs are trying to groom Rielly and Gardiner so why bother keep phaneuf if it means paying this much??

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The Leafs will be so tough to play against for the next seven years with Clarkson and Phaneuf signed up.

Terrible contract if true.

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12-28-2013, 08:42 AM
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This post will probably be ignored by everyone. Fans hate Phaneuf irrationally, what is he supposed to get paid if he's among the best defensive players.
Exactly. The bias against Phaneuf(or anything to do with the Leafs) makes MANY around here take the automatic "LOL, what a terrible deal" stance.

Whatever.

I'm glad we got Phaneuf locked up. He's a top guy, and should be able to contribute well for most fo that term, if not all of it.

Besides......7 million is fair for what he delivers NOW. In a few years, it'll be on the cheaper side for players of his calibre.

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12-28-2013, 08:43 AM
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I don't know about far more. This deal puts him in the top 5 paid d-men. Is he a top 5 d-man?
you cant properly compare his contracts with other dmen right now due to the retirement contracts that were handed out to lower cap hits

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Phaneuf would get the same money on the Market.

He remain their captain up atleast until mid 30's. I think it's fair IMO.

Yes I'm a Habs fan, I've only had one issue with Dion and it's even all the way back to when he was a Flame. I find for a player his type as being a defensive guy. He makes a lot of brain fart plays not back to back but he has done it for quite some time. Like trying to make moves out of his end and coughs up the puck. Pinching at terrible times. Like I said it's not all the time but it's always irked me about his game because he plays a rugged style I like. Cause he will be playing amazingly with 5 great plays followed by a bad one and a lot of the bad ones result in a goal.

If Toronto was ever able to get a guy like Hamrlik when he was in his prime back in Calgary. Dion would be solid all around. Dion IMO played his best hockey paired with a defensive guy like Hamrlik.

If they find a guy like that maybe an Orpik or Girardi, it's got to be someone solid defensively. I think you'll see. Phaneuf play even better. Take more offensive chances and be fine all around.

7x7 seems fair for what's on the market.


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I'm not going to bash Phaneuf. He's a good player....but he's a #2/3 and 7M is way too much.[/QUOTE]

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I can't wait till the summer where every UFA who is signed or impending UFA is reupped is paid too much!!!! Not on their team though, that was the going rate.

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This a choice between a supposedly top D in Phaneuf at 7M or a top 4 defencemen in Franson at 3-4M??
For example keeping Franson and bringing in a defensive guy like Girardi woudl be better then having Phaneuf and no franson. What type of defender is Phaneuf? I think hes suppose to be an offensive guy that plays aggressive once in awhile?? For offensive Dmen Leafs are trying to groom Rielly and Gardiner so why bother keep phaneuf if it means paying this much??
You haven't watched Phaneuf this year, Phaneuf has been pretty solid defensively, his offense feels like it's dried up. He's still on the top PP until but if I'm giving him this contract I'm giving it to him based on his defense this year moreso than his offense.

I do not want Franson on this team as a top 4 D-man, please Nonis if you can get anything good for him in a trade do it, I don't want to pay him 3.5-4 million for a PP specialist when we have Phaneuf, Gardiner, and Rielly on the PP.

Phaneuf plays against the top offensive guys of other teams and for the most part this year he's kept them off the board, that's what I want from Phaneuf, if he puts up a point here and there great, but we have Rielly and Gardiner for that in the future.

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12-28-2013, 08:59 AM
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Phaneuf has established himself as a #1 D in Toronto and a top 15 in the league. The facts speak for themselves and this season he has played like an elite shutdown D. If a 500k raise is all it took to keep him here then I'm all for it. Really wished the haters weren't so ignorant though.

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This is why GM's fought so hard to reduce max years on contract to 5 Years??!! I wish they had gotten it!!
Would Laefs fans preferred to sign this guy and lose Franson or trade Phaneuf for prospects/drafts and keep Franson at substantially lowers salary to get help elsewhere???

How to build a winner LOL
Franson is no where near the Dman that Phaneuf is. If I had to choose I would carry Franson like an infant child to the airport myself.

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Sigh. Do some posters here know how the defenceman market looks like next year? The Leafs have no choice but to sign him.

The term might be a few years too long but it's so obvious he's going to get offered that much money and years if he goes to free agency.

This is not a bargain deal. However, the Leafs need him and this is a solid signing IMO. Also, stop comparing contracts from pre-lockout to this one (very irrelevant)
Some times the best move to make is no move at all. Bad logic signing Dion to 7X7 because he'll get it elsewhere, trade him to a contender for maximum return and move forward, 7 years is way to much term and at $7 mil, it's a really really short sighted decision.

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I don't know about far more. This deal puts him in the top 5 paid d-men. Is he a top 5 d-man?
RFA vs. UFA vs. long term cap reducing contracts vs. retirement contracts vs. players who have signed years ago and inflation has made their cap hit comparably lower

You cant just say hes being paid like a top 5 so he has to be a top 5

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Phaneuf is a #1 D-Man. He's a top D-man

He would have easily gotten 8M on the market.

7M is a discount.

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Exactly. The bias against Phaneuf(or anything to do with the Leafs) makes MANY around here take the automatic "LOL, what a terrible deal" stance.

Whatever.

I'm glad we got Phaneuf locked up. He's a top guy, and should be able to contribute well for most fo that term, if not all of it.

Besides......7 million is fair for what he delivers NOW. In a few years, it'll be on the cheaper side for players of his calibre.
What Dion offers NOW??!! lol How many contracts were offered for what players were doing NOW and then backfired??
Tor: Lilles, Clarkson, Grabovski, Blake, Connelly, Komisarek
and then theres the Richards to NYR, Bryvz to Philly, Dipietro to NYI, Theodore to MTL. How many guys have a decent season, sign big and then crap it

I get this isnt a bad deal considering the cap and all that, I dont care what he woudl get in the free market, not leafs problem....but as a suffering Leafs fan I would rather go another route. Lets at least get a defensive guy to play with him so we try and make him look even better please!!!

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I guess it's not terrible. However, Letang is only making $250,000 more, but he's a better D than Phaneuf IMO. Many people also say how Letang's contract sucks.

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Sounds like a pretty fair deal to me. The term might be a bit too long, but still pretty solid.
Agreed. Not quite understanding where people are saying this is huge overpayment. Seems 100% fair to me.

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