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12-28-2013, 01:31 PM
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Nail? How is that a good comparison?


Yeah don't see it either

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12-28-2013, 01:32 PM
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Lol at everyone ripping on McDavid. Hes 16 playing against 19 year olds. Crosby wasnt completely dominate when he played as a 16 year old in this tournament.
Agreed. Whats with people calling him McDonalds...not even funny

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12-28-2013, 01:33 PM
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Crosby wasnt even a PPG IIRC when he played in the WJ. Only person that dominated as a 16 year old was Gretzky.

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12-28-2013, 01:34 PM
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Mcdavid should be very good player, People really need to ease up on youngest kid on the team. Having him there without Brown is the issue IMO.

But I also have to question why an underage Ekblad needs to be on the team ahead of some notable 19 year olds. Defense is a different story and he's having rough go from what I've seen.

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12-28-2013, 01:39 PM
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The Canadian system has been slowly rotting away after years of success. Aside from other teams getting better all the time, it's like the manufactured by TSN over the years has managed to paralyze the kids sent over to represent Canada the past few tournaments.

Seems like we used to send over Robo Kids over there every year who had ice water in their veins to deal with high pressure situations. Now they crumple up at the first sign of pressure. Jake Patterson's facial expression spelt out loss before the shootout even started.

Canada produces a lot of talent, as evidenced by all the teenage talent squirreled away in the NHL every year, but Team Canada is just doing a terrible job innovating and dealing with international ice as well as team selection and what they're prioritizing.

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12-28-2013, 01:44 PM
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Best player on the ice was Sam Reinhart for me, Terrific poise and vision. If ends up on Buffalo he'll be a pain that's for sure.

Lazar made impression in the 3rd(another prospect in our division).


He didn't seem to get too much ice time, But this Zacha kid on the Czech team could be something. May be the best Czech player in quite some time.

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12-28-2013, 01:59 PM
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Crosby wasnt even a PPG IIRC when he played in the WJ. Only person that dominated as a 16 year old was Gretzky.
Lindros dominated at 16

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12-28-2013, 02:19 PM
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Crosby wasnt even a PPG IIRC when he played in the WJ. Only person that dominated as a 16 year old was Gretzky.
From what I remember, Crosby didn't get all that much ice time as a 16 year old (certainly less than McDavid has been getting).

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12-28-2013, 02:23 PM
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Mcdavid should be very good player, People really need to ease up on youngest kid on the team. Having him there without Brown is the issue IMO.

But I also have to question why an underage Ekblad needs to be on the team ahead of some notable 19 year olds. Defense is a different story and he's having rough go from what I've seen.
This is the first game Ekblad wasn't our best defencemen. I'd take him over Nurse or Finn any day.

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12-28-2013, 02:31 PM
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Embarrassing, we shouldn't be losing these games. 5 years ago this would never happen

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12-28-2013, 02:32 PM
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When the average nhler is 6'1 and over 200 pounds, he is.
Something like 30% of the league is under 6'. Johnson's skating will be more detrimental to his NHL aspirations than his size.

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12-28-2013, 02:47 PM
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There are good hockey players everywhere there is hockey played.

There is a reason you don't limit your draft to just one country or continent.

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12-28-2013, 02:56 PM
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Lindros dominated at 16
True. He was built like a 30 year old at that age already though.

Gretzky
Lindros
Bouwmeester
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Crosby
McDavid

Pretty good company he's in.

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12-28-2013, 03:02 PM
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First of all, it's disgraceful how a game in an international tournament as large as the WJC's could end in a ****ing skills competition. Thee's absolutely no excuse for that. At least in the NHL, they remove the skills competition when the games start to matter. Here they don't even bother. Like, what the actual ****?

That being said, the Czechs were the better team today and deserved the win. Canada's WJC selection committee has been run by morons who just don't see the value speed has on European ice the past few years. I just hope our Olympic selection committee is not as bad.

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12-28-2013, 03:04 PM
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Because of the hype from TSN and the tradition aspect of it being over the holidays, an otherwise short meaningless tournament places these young kids in positions filled with failure and high expectations. Scouts should just stay at home with their families and watch the games. There are better indicators for scouting.

Not to mention the idiocy of coaching staffs not putting future dynamic NHL players in a position to best succeed. Mackinnon on the 4th line, Monahan? And then there are scrubs that will never be NHL regulars like Camara, JC Lipon, and Della Rovere, among others, who make the team. It honestly shocks me.

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12-28-2013, 03:09 PM
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Because of the hype from TSN and the tradition aspect of it being over the holidays, an otherwise short meaningless tournament places these young kids in positions filled with failure and high expectations. Scouts should just stay at home with their families and watch the games. There are better indicators for scouting.

Not to mention the idiocy of coaching staffs not putting future dynamic NHL players in a position to best succeed. Mackinnon on the 4th line, Monahan? And then there are scrubs that will never be NHL regulars like Camara, JC Lipon, and Della Rovere, among others, who make the team. It honestly shocks me.
Carter Ashton .

But yeah, playing Mackinnon on the 4th line was just stupid...I feel like he could have done a lot more than the others in the top 6.

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12-28-2013, 03:23 PM
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You know a team is messed when they leave off the leading scorer in the freakin OHL. I mean, Sweden is smart enough to include Andreas Johnson but Canada can't use Connor brown? I don't know about hockey Canada...let's think about the players they've left off

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12-28-2013, 03:26 PM
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First of all, it's disgraceful how a game in an international tournament as large as the WJC's could end in a ****ing skills competition. Thee's absolutely no excuse for that. At least in the NHL, they remove the skills competition when the games start to matter. Here they don't even bother. Like, what the actual ****?

That being said, the Czechs were the better team today and deserved the win. Canada's WJC selection committee has been run by morons who just don't see the value speed has on European ice the past few years. I just hope our Olympic selection committee is not as bad.
In reality the WJCs are just a TSN media creation that's turned into a Holiday niche event. It's a bush league international tournament that has been blown out of proportion.

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12-28-2013, 03:55 PM
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We'll start winning again when the game comes back to north america, I don't think we've actually done well since the tournament in Buffalo a few years ago

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Nail? How is that a good comparison?
not in terms of play style, in terms of potential, both have high skill and high potential, but they are clearly a step under sid and other world class nhl players in terms of skill/potential. I'm saying that I dont like the crosby comparison at all

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12-28-2013, 03:57 PM
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I think McDavid will be better than Taveras

But he is only 16 years old, your guess is as good as mine
I just dont think that he will be an elite producer in the nhl like sid/johnny T, as I said I just dont like the comparison to sid, I dont think that they are in the same potential/skill league

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Yeah don't see it either
in terms of potential, both have high skill and high potential, but i'm just saying that I think there is a clear disconnect between his potential and sid's and I hate that people are calling him the 2nd crosby, I dont see that at all

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We'll start winning again when the game comes back to north america, I don't think we've actually done well since the tournament in Buffalo a few years ago
We were terrible in 2012 and were the host country. 15 gold medals and only 4 as the host country. 3 in the United States, so 7 in NA and 8 on big ice.

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12-28-2013, 04:17 PM
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You know a team is messed when they leave off the leading scorer in the freakin OHL. I mean, Sweden is smart enough to include Andreas Johnson but Canada can't use Connor brown? I don't know about hockey Canada...let's think about the players they've left off

Seguin
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I would have taken Brown over Gauthier

Gauthier is a pylon out there

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12-28-2013, 05:28 PM
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Something like 30% of the league is under 6'. Johnson's skating will be more detrimental to his NHL aspirations than his size.
...and players 5'10 and under represent 8.2% of the players to play in the league this year. (> 10 gp) Skating will be an issue no doubt, but the stats show a significant bias towards larger players; if you think size is not his largest issue, then you must also believe that there is an incredibly small chance he becomes an NHL player.


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