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08-01-2005, 07:00 PM
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Well its tough too see them go. Both from a personal and professional stand point. Neiwy could have been a big help this year and Roberts has had a great four years with the team. That being said, we were right to not give them 2.25 million each. The fact is we didnt win a cup with them, and they were not likely the missing ingredients towards a championship. Im sure we all agree that an upgrade in defence is what will push us closer to the top. Best of luck to two good guys who wore their hearts on their sleaves. At least Jacques Martin wont lose to them in the playoffs this year.

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I'd still rock a Niewendyk or Roberts jersey any old time at the ACC, but, my Nolan is pretty much going to gather dust. I'd probably get punched in the back of the head by some angry drunkard.

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I'd still rock a Niewendyk or Roberts jersey any old time at the ACC, but, my Nolan is pretty much going to gather dust. I'd probably get punched in the back of the head by some angry drunkard.
What size?

if it's an XL I'd be interested.

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08-01-2005, 07:06 PM
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I go with what the reports have been saying. As usual however you turn a convenient blind eye to the news when it supports an anti-leaf point of view.
i could say exactly the same thing. you all label the media as anti-leaf bashers most of the time, but when they say something you like to hear, all of a sudden its gospel.

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In fact I know with absolute certainty that had JFJ signed them for $2.25 Million each you would be talking about how it was a waste of cap space and how Toronto isn't getting any younger.
yeah, i would. i'm not overly critical of this move, or lack of move. its good that the team will get younger. i'm just saying there is a huge leadership void right now. i doubt any of us fans realize how much those two vets brought to the team. someone said o'neill can easily replace roberts, which is dead wrong.

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Then why would they sign 1 year extensions prior to the lockout?
i have no idea. i suppose anything could have happened between then and now.

according to mess, roberts signed in florida for a couple of hundred thousand more then he could have in toronto. that's a small amount of money and it couldn't possibly have been the difference maker in choosing florida over toronto.

he didn't sign with florida because they are a contender.

look at the roots and business that roberts has in toronto. it looks like he didn't want to stay with the leafs very badly.

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08-01-2005, 07:12 PM
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What size?

if it's an XL I'd be interested.
It's only a Large. I still may keep it for dart board material, kindling, toilet paper, etc,etc....

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08-01-2005, 07:14 PM
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The loss of Roberts to me is a punch to the stomach. The fact that Roberts and Joe were seemingly a package deal had to make it tough for JF. I was ok with bringing back Nieuwendyk if the money was right but it wasn't. Florida were ready to overpay by adding the second year when really, late thirty year olds should only be on one year deals. So where next? O'Neill is not Roberts. Not near the emotional leader or hard man Gary is. O'Neill is not going to carry us for stretches. Jeff needs to worry about scoring some goals and that is it. The leadership void will have to be filled elsewhere. There are plenty of players on the market so lets be patient and see where the bargains are.

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I agree with you that the leadership role needs to be filled, that's why I'm pinning my hopes we get Adam Foote, and maybe a guy like Martin Gelinas.

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It's only a Large. I still may keep it for dart board material, kindling, toilet paper, etc,etc....
Damn.

The only jersey I'm "careless" with is the Joseph one.

Got it for my birthday...the 1st year we had Belfour

They even asked me "who do you like on the Leafs?" and I told my exact words were "Roberts, Sundin, Mogilny or Belfour"

then They get me a Joseph jersey and proudly proclaim how lucky we were to get it it was the last one (-_-+)

So it's been rolled around in dirt, mud, rain, snow, on the road, etc. as a roadhockey jersey.

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08-01-2005, 07:21 PM
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So essentially he originally was willing to spend 3 million max between the two, and bumped that up to 3.75 at the end. Im glad he didnt go any higher than that.
Agreed, though even 3.75 is stetching it for me.

Then again I'm sure the fan boy in me woul;d've been happy just to have gotten them back.

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Well now theres an idea, I'll just use old Nolan for a new road hockey jersey. I had two Potvins, home and away, but they're a little small I've had em since 93'.......

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i could say exactly the same thing. you all label the media as anti-leaf bashers most of the time, but when they say something you like to hear, all of a sudden its gospel.
Only Steve Simmons and Damien Cox's opinion pieces. Largely due to a ******** track record and also due to the fact that I have never once heard a positive Leafs oriented thing from them. Come to think of it you three should probably have lunch together one of these days.

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yeah, i would. i'm not overly critical of this move, or lack of move. its good that the team will get younger. i'm just saying there is a huge leadership void right now. i doubt any of us fans realize how much those two vets brought to the team. someone said o'neill can easily replace roberts, which is dead wrong.
O'Neil I'm not going to comment on until the season, I feel he's a bit of a wild card though do remember that he came cheap. The leadership void is definitely something that needs to be adressed though we do still at least have Sundin, McCabe, Tucker and Klee as far as leaders go, and I would easily assume that JFJ could pick up a third or fourth line veteran to help guide the young players for 2005-2006 (Martin Gelinas being my preference).

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08-01-2005, 07:28 PM
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I had two Potvins, home and away, but they're a little small I've had em since 93'.......
Cherrish them for me.

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then They get me a Joseph jersey and proudly proclaim how lucky we were to get it it was the last one (-_-+)

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The Leafs did the right thing. You can't afford to make a mistake under a cap and paying Roberts and Newy more than $1.5 million a year for more than one year for guys their age likely would have been a mistake. I'm sorry to see them go, but it's time to get a little younger. The only concern I have is the message it sends to free agents considering the Leafs. Ferguson has to make a splash real soon to encourage others to follow suit.

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08-01-2005, 08:08 PM
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The Leafs did the right thing. You can't afford to make a mistake under a cap and paying Roberts and Newy more than $1.5 million a year for more than one year for guys their age likely would have been a mistake. I'm sorry to see them go, but it's time to get a little younger. The only concern I have is the message it sends to free agents considering the Leafs. Ferguson has to make a splash real soon to encourage others to follow suit.
yup yup...

lets go for a few dmen instead of crazy offense. resign mogilny, grab palfy and lindros and get dmen.

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Do you know how hard it was to keep my smile a smile when I turned that Buetiful white jersey around to see JOSEPH 31 on the back while they're all looking at me with the cake?

Thankfully I bought a Sundin (Throw back style) shortly afterwards to wear during Leaf Games.

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Do you know how hard it was to keep my smile a smile when I turned that Buetiful white jersey around to see JOSEPH 31 on the back while they're all looking at me with the cake?

Thankfully I bought a Sundin (Throw back style) shortly afterwards to wear during Leaf Games.
Honestly that pales in comparison to the suit I received from my Opa a few Christmases ago due to a misplaced comment a few weeks earlier.

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Im glad this bit of leafs drama is over.Goodbye to ya both good luck in florida especially with Krazy keenan yelling all over the place.Im so happy the leafs didnt dig there cap deaths 4.5 mil feet deeper.

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Giving two players of the age of Roberts and Nieuwy a combined 4.5 M for TWO years is evidence why the owners needed to be protected from themselves in the CBA.

They are both great players and great guys but are no longer capable of consistent effort in the level of a 2.25M player. And a two year commitment is insane.

Good luck to both; enjoy the beaches. Roberts gave me some great moments in his time here and I wish them both well, except against the Leafs.

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I like the signing, means new blood for the Leafs.

Heck, JFj might be forced into some creative manoeuvers and the worst that could happen is they won't win the Cup.

Listening to Kypreos whining, it appears his pipeline to Leaf insider news is completely gone, and he doesn't sound that happy about it.

Nice to see JFj isn't leaking his thoughts.

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I'm glad Fergy let these guys go considering what they signed for in Florida. They were great to have, and I don't blame them for taking a higher offer, but I'm glad we didn't offer the same money.

Now we can look for some fresh faces.

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I'm glad Fergy let these guys go considering what they signed for in Florida. They were great to have, and I don't blame them for taking a higher offer, but I'm glad we didn't offer the same money.

Now we can look for some fresh faces.
I agree

I wonder on the ripple down effect though ..

Are players really going to be willing to take 1.5 mil deals in comparison now to what a pair of near 40 year old players got ??

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I agree

I wonder on the ripple down effect though ..

Are players really going to be willing to take 1.5 mil deals in comparison now to what a pair of near 40 year old players got ??
Sooner or later, the ripple effect is going to crash into a hard salary cap. I have no problem waiting for the right guys at the right price, perhaps guys in their early 30s rather than their late 30s.

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Sooner or later, the ripple effect is going to crash into a hard salary cap. I have no problem waiting for the right guys at the right price, perhaps guys in their early 30s rather than their late 30s.
I wonder if Florida is using Toronto fans Revenue Sharing money to pay Roberts and Newy ..

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