Anyone that watched the game got a description of the Selanne and Kariya pp goals?
I have read most of the recaps around the net and none give a description of those two goals. Any help will be more than welcome
The Kariya goal stemmed from a solid Joe Sakic pass on the PP. I believe Derek Morris shot the puck into the Stars zone on the right wing and three Avs players intercepted it in the left half boards of the stars' zone. There was a scramble between these avs players and two stars defenders. Eventually the puck squezzed out to Sakic, who stationed himself in the corner. As he was being hooked he waited for Kariya (or the high point defenseman) to scooter into the slot. Super Joe found Kariya who one timed it, glove side, on Turco.
The Teemu Selanne goal resulted from some more lackluster play by the Stars defenders. Again the Avs were on the PP. Svatos was intelligent enough to wait for a stars winger and defender to come close to him before he passed the puck to Selanne in the corner. Teemu subsqeuntly stpped around the net, shot the puck, and knocked on the rebound on Turco's glove side.
These goals were mediocre. I thought the Avs tried to be too fancy today. Nonetheless, it is just an exhibition game and I'm sure they just want to try some new things out with their great load of offensive weapons. The Avs appear to be very deep at the forward position this year indeed. Totally revamped in comparison to the inept forwards of last season.
Anyone that watched the game got a description of the Selanne and Kariya pp goals?
I have read most of the recaps around the net and none give a description of those two goals. Any help will be more than welcome
The Kariya PP goal: Avs get the puck in along the boards; it turns into a 3v3 along on the boards. The puck comes to Sakic at the bottom of the right circle (Turco's right). He walks it towards the net while Kariya gets his stick open in the slot for a one-timer. Sakic puts the pass a little behind him and Kariya throws it along the ice and past Turco for the PP goal.
The Selanne PP goal: Started because Turco tried to clear the puck himself and Selanne knocked it down. Just noticed jericholic's call of the rest of this goal and I'll leave it at that (I like my call of the Kariya goal better though ).
I watched Forsberg's last shift as well and I saw nothing that would indicate an injury of any kind. If he left because of an injury, it was either very subtle or it was a slowbuilding reaction to something earlier in the game.
I would offer some descriptions myself, but I was listening to the game more than watching it even though I had it on the TV.
If you are Granato, do you make the final two cuts now or after the game on Saturday? We know one forward and one defenseman will be cut. So who makes it between Svatos or McCormick (assuming Granato doesn't cut a player such as Aubin)? I think most are in agreement that Liles should make the team over DJ Smith, so who should be the forward that is sent down?
A few things from tonight's game I noticed. I missed a few minutes here and there; so, certain players may have been better when I wasn't watching. I did tape the game; so, I'll go back and watch it again anyway.
I'll answer Dario's question about McCormick first. Downey wanted to fight McCormick in the 3rd period and McCormick declined. As both guys were heading to the bench, Downey gave McCormick a shove as he was entering the open door. No intent to injure or anything, just a little nudge to let McCormick know that Downey was still there. McCormick stops, goes back out the door and skates towards the Stars bench where Downey was now sitting. They yap at each other and the refs give Downey a crappy penalty for that little nudge. That was the whole situation.
The Avs lines were:
Kariya-Sakic-Selanne
Tanguay-Forsberg-Hejduk
McAllister-Nikolishin-Svatos
Hahl-Hinote-McCormick (don't quote me on the positions on this line though)
Skrastins-Foote
Liles-Morris
Skoula-Blake
Hinote was better than I've ever seen him. Used his speed very well to get in position offensively for once and put shots on net. His goal came from a horrific no-call and Turco badly misplaying the little backhander from a poor angle. Hinote was still great tonight and I won't take that away from him. Svatos (Stars play-by-play kept calling him Savatos though) looked pretty good too. Didn't play all that physical or agitating, but made a very nice pass to Nikolishin and also a good play to intercept the attempted clear behind the net right before the pass. Nikolishin dragged down Young on the no-call that led to Hinote's goal, but was quite good as well. The Avs PK and PP were dominating; the PK was very aggressive and the Stars had trouble all night gaining the zone and setting up. I thought the Stars were much better at even strength though.
Some random thoughts:
Lappy I found ur assessment of the game to be largely accurate. I especially like your illustration of Skoula's poor defensive play. Numerous times he stood around while a dallas forward screened sauve in front of the net. Martin has so much size that he doesn't use to his advantage. I think he's definitely trade bait this year.
Hinote did use his speed effectively. Sauve badly needs to work on his stick handling. Kudos to him though for having the balls to come out of his net on a regular basis. That takes guts when you know you are a poor stick handler.
The avs PP was not dominating. They did well in spurts. Yet, for the large part they did not control the puck well from what I remember. PK was very good though. I hope they can keep it up.
Liles isn't strong enough to be an NHL defenseman yet, IMO. He needs to become cut like Rafalski before he can be an impact player (maybe he is, I don't really know).
In general this game sucked. The Dallas announcers aren't terribly bias but they could be better. I think Colorado was lucky to pull out a win since the Stars really could have put this game away early on.
I would offer some descriptions myself, but I was listening to the game more than watching it even though I had it on the TV.
If you are Granato, do you make the final two cuts now or after the game on Saturday? We know one forward and one defenseman will be cut. So who makes it between Svatos or McCormick (assuming Granato doesn't cut a player such as Aubin)? I think most are in agreement that Liles should make the team over DJ Smith, so who should be the forward that is sent down?
You don't need to offer descriptions when my longwinded posterior is rambling on though.
Seriously though, based on tonight's game and rookie camp, I take Svatos over McCormick. I think Svatos needs the AHL seasoning more than McCormick just because of the role he'll have on the Avs and his size/past injuries. McCormick will do fine grinding it out on the 4th line, but I doubt how much impact he'll make with those minutes and it could stunt his development to saddle him with 4th line minutes for a season. It appears one of the two rookies will probably make it (maybe both), but I don't think it would really be the right choice unless it was just to give the guys a taste of the NHL and then let them go to Hershey with that burning desire to impress and force their way back up. Just my opinion.
The Kariya PP goal: Avs get the puck in along the boards; it turns into a 3v3 along on the boards. The puck comes to Sakic at the bottom of the right circle (Turco's right). He walks it towards the net while Kariya gets his stick open in the slot for a one-timer. Sakic puts the pass a little behind him and Kariya throws it along the ice and past Turco for the PP goal.
The Selanne PP goal: Started because Turco tried to clear the puck himself and Selanne knocked it down. Just noticed jericholic's call of the rest of this goal and I'll leave it at that (I like my call of the Kariya goal better though ).
I watched Forsberg's last shift as well and I saw nothing that would indicate an injury of any kind. If he left because of an injury, it was either very subtle or it was a slowbuilding reaction to something earlier in the game.
lol. im not much for patiently describing events and paying attention to details. I guess that can be quite a hinderance once your in med school (and I certainly paid for it with my mid-term block 1 mark! :mad: ) he he he
Did he do the classic "drop the puck and let Steve Yzerman score" move as well??
Pretty much every goaltender in the Avs system is cocky. Fortunately, only one could be THAT cocky (I'm sure you know who I'm referring to )
And if Sauve did what Roy did, he woulda been lynched, hung, beaten to a pulp, and THEN possibly put on waivers
Oh yea, as for the actual occurance 2 seasons ago, Roy never even had possession of the puck in his glove. It was still on the ice when he raised his hand....sadly.....
You don't need to offer descriptions when my longwinded posterior is rambling on though.
Seriously though, based on tonight's game and rookie camp, I take Svatos over McCormick. I think Svatos needs the AHL seasoning more than McCormick just because of the role he'll have on the Avs and his size/past injuries. McCormick will do fine grinding it out on the 4th line, but I doubt how much impact he'll make with those minutes and it could stunt his development to saddle him with 4th line minutes for a season. It appears one of the two rookies will probably make it (maybe both), but I don't think it would really be the right choice unless it was just to give the guys a taste of the NHL and then let them go to Hershey with that burning desire to impress and force their way back up. Just my opinion.
it might be necessary to keep svatos around for at least one third of the season. it gives the avs a chance to evaluate whether or not he makes tanguay an expendable asset. i like svatos. he reminds me of a fiestier vrbata. am i or am i not right lappy?
Lappy I found ur assessment of the game to be largely accurate.
The avs PP was not dominating. They did well in spurts. Yet, for the large part they did not control the puck well from what I remember. PK was very good though. I hope they can keep it up.
My descriptions are always accurate; I thought you knew that by now.
I didn't see all the Avs PP's either; I must have just caught them when they were on. I have no problem believing that to be the case. I will say that the Avs' special teams are what won them the game (along with Turco looking like dung).
Edit: Shortened the quote to the parts I referred to directly to save some space.
it might be necessary to keep svatos around for at least one third of the season. it gives the avs a chance to evaluate whether or not he makes tanguay an expendable asset. i like svatos. he reminds me of a fiestier vrbata. am i or am i not right lappy?
We had a similar Vrbata vs. Svatos discussion here about a week ago (http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?threadid=13276). Basically IMO, Svatos is grittier, is more of a playmaker, and his style subjects him to a higher chance of being injured (like Hinote). Vrbata avoids the physical play, but is a much better shooter and stays fairly healthy.
We had a similar Vrbata vs. Svatos discussion here about a week ago (http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?threadid=13276). Basically IMO, Svatos is grittier, is more of a playmaker, and his style subjects him to a higher chance of being injured (like Hinote). Vrbata avoids the physical play, but is a much better shooter and stays fairly healthy.
Played great, I have to say, i have seen very few goalies emmulate Roy as much as Sauve....same quirks, bad habits and awesome saves. Statue of Liberty brought back alot of memories of Roy....after the first period, he really settled down, and handled the Stars well....
Loved the PK, I think Nikolishin was a sleeper pick-up, he'll be very valuable....
Svatos....what else is there to say? DAMN!....
McAllister took a non-existant penalty, should have been matching minors and majors at best....
McCormick has more energy than alot of players i've seen in Avalanche jerseys as of late....can't see him getting cut....made hardly any mistakes as well....
Buuuuut....Liles did look a little out of place on the 2 goals....on the first he didn't seem commited to going down and screened Sauve low, and then waited too long to try and make a play on the 2nd goal, and ended up having to dive, although Morris wasn't much help either.
All-in-all, a good game against a full Dallas team....they need to cut back about a penalty a game, and start to gel alot earlier than the 3rd period.
I say they ditch Aubin to give McCormick and Svatos a taste of the regular season and if they can't handle it, THEN send them to Hershey, ala Nederost....also, with the way Nikolishin and Hahl have been playing, Aubin is about out of a job anyway....
Close to the end of the 3rd, Sauve pulled out a Statue of Liberty pose. You guys see that?
The save was just sweetness too. He had like 3 rows of players screening the crap outta him and somehow gloves the Matvichuck(or Zubov) wrister from the point.
He makes a glove save while falling backwards AND busting a SoL! All in the air too!
Aubin could be picked up off waivers, I think Granato is waiting to see what he has after the draft. We could get a defensemen like Therin and then Liles would most likely be cut.
Catch my drift?? While I am not advocating picking up anyone, you never know what may happen with PL behind the wheel ;D
Sauve badly needs to work on his stick handling. Kudos to him though for having the balls to come out of his net on a regular basis. That takes guts when you know you are a poor stick handler.
Sauve is actually scouted for having good to very good ability to handle the puck. It's supposed to be one of his strengths as a goaltender, same with Budaj. Sounds like Sauve never really got comfortable from what everyone is saying however.
I think the Avalanche made mistakes with their development cycle on Nederost and Skoula. I think they made the jump too quickly and it slowed their developement. While I would love to see Svatos and McCormick play in the NHL I can't help but think a season of 80 games with 15-20 minutes per at the AHL level wouldn't be better for them. Liles is a different story because he's older and I think he could make the jump and play 10-15 in a 5th/4th defenseman role. I understand some people's concern with Liles because of the game but I think you also have to consider he was being paired in a top pairing situation when in the regular season he should only get in the 3rd pairing situation for the most part. He usually won't face the Modanos, Arnotts etc..., but second tier forwards who he should be able to outskate.
Hey, the Svatos-to-Nikolishin goal made the top ten list on ESPN's Sportscenter. You know you've made the team when you've made that list. Cannot wait to see this new 3rd line in action.
Oh, and uh...the top two lines might be fun as well....
Can anyone tell me why Modano was named 3rd star in this game?
I can see Scott Young as the second or even first star but Modano?! Zero shots on goal, +/- 0, no assists... I would think Hinote would be one of the three stars, but that's why they call it the home team.
Can anyone tell me why Modano was named 3rd star in this game?
I can see Scott Young as the second or even first star but Modano?! Zero shots on goal, +/- 0, no assists... I would think Hinote would be one of the three stars, but that's why they call it the home team.
His hair was freshly frosted and he put on a great acting job when he did the electric ***** slap into the boards on that light hit from Hejduk....Michelle Madonna....PU**Y
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