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01-17-2014, 03:08 AM
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Yes but usually to get a good RFA means your going to give up some good assets. ROR especially. Colorado would be looking at Sven and Brodie to be in the deal.
And you wouldn't say yes to that in a heartbeat? I love both Brodie and Sven, but ROR is a special kind of player. Flames would win that trade hands down.

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01-17-2014, 04:17 AM
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And you wouldn't say yes to that in a heartbeat? I love both Brodie and Sven, but ROR is a special kind of player. Flames would win that trade hands down.
I am not as high on Sven or Brodie as most Flames fans and I completely disagree. That would be a clear loss for the Flames IMO.

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01-17-2014, 06:43 AM
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If we somehow pull off drafting McDavid in 2015 imagine how easy it'd be to get UFAs here...
While McDavid has been fairly special, he's no certainty to be a star in the NHL.

Not that many are.

But I doubt that UFA's will be lining up to play for Calgary until such time as Calgary ices a competitive team.

The Edmonton fiasco teaches us that some high end talent doesn't make a great (or even a good) team.

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01-17-2014, 08:01 AM
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While McDavid has been fairly special, he's no certainty to be a star in the NHL.

Not that many are.

But I doubt that UFA's will be lining up to play for Calgary until such time as Calgary ices a competitive team.

The Edmonton fiasco teaches us that some high end talent doesn't make a great (or even a good) team.
Very true but it's definitely a start

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01-17-2014, 10:12 AM
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And you wouldn't say yes to that in a heartbeat? I love both Brodie and Sven, but ROR is a special kind of player. Flames would win that trade hands down.
Yea not even. I would see that as a loss for the Flames. ROR is great, but we NEED Brodie, and selling Sven now would be a terrible idea as his value is low.

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01-17-2014, 11:29 AM
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I was thinking more along the lines that if we can stockpile some draft picks this deadline, like manage a 2nd for Stempniak. Possibly we package that with a prospect to land a guy like Franson.

Apparently Despres from the Pens is not happy with his situation there because of the logjam on D the they have. He would be a fantastic guy to acquire! Maybe Cammy at 50% gets that done?

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01-17-2014, 12:13 PM
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And you wouldn't say yes to that in a heartbeat? I love both Brodie and Sven, but ROR is a special kind of player. Flames would win that trade hands down.
What? He's a first/second line forward, not Hossa.

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01-17-2014, 01:39 PM
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What? He's a first/second line forward, not Hossa.
You're right. 22yr old defensive centres averaging 33 goals - 60+ points while winning 53.5% of his FO this season is nothing special.

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01-17-2014, 02:02 PM
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You're right. 22yr old defensive centres averaging 33 goals - 60+ points while winning 53.5% of his FO this season is nothing special.
While you don't need to sell me on ROR, I don't think you can say that a guy averages 33 goals and 60+ points when his career high for goals is 18 and points is 55, and he in fact averages 16 goals and 41 points per 80 games played in the NHL.

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01-17-2014, 02:03 PM
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Why do people find it so easy to sell Hudler short?

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm

He's on a terrible team with offensive struggles, yet he's keeping up with Sedin, Benn and Hossa in points. I think that, if you look at what those guys have to work with, Jiri is actually having a better season than those guys.

Jiri is a pretty damn good first liner in the nhl.
What Hudler is accomplishing with the Flames this year is truly remarkable. There are very few 'legitimate first liners" that could do as much.
But the Flames are going nowhere and I think Hudler could command the highest return.

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01-17-2014, 02:06 PM
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I agree Hudler is a very good 2nd liner, but to be fair to him Babcock really did not play him in the top 6 all that much. His best season in Detroit was his last season, playing with Filppula. He does not have the same restrictions on his game here and he is getting the minutes. I am not surprised by his increase in production, he is very skilled.
Actually his best season was a few years ago.
Babcock likes bigger players and never gave him a chance. He was usually among the top 3 in scoring per 60 mins of ice on the Wings but was always afforded very little ice-time in favor of lesser, bigger players.
He is doiung the same with Nyquist and Tatar. Red Wings fans are saying that he is 'hudlering' them.

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01-17-2014, 03:24 PM
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Actually his best season was a few years ago.
Babcock likes bigger players and never gave him a chance. He was usually among the top 3 in scoring per 60 mins of ice on the Wings but was always afforded very little ice-time in favor of lesser, bigger players.
He is doiung the same with Nyquist and Tatar. Red Wings fans are saying that he is 'hudlering' them.
I agree with you, but I will simply say this season is not over yet.

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01-17-2014, 04:00 PM
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While you don't need to sell me on ROR, I don't think you can say that a guy averages 33 goals and 60+ points when his career high for goals is 18 and points is 55, and he in fact averages 16 goals and 41 points per 80 games played in the NHL.
Upside. He's showing steady growth in his offensive numbers. I guess there is little point arguing that ROR for Baertschi + Brodie is a good trade. I'll drop it.

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01-17-2014, 08:43 PM
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Upside. He's showing steady growth in his offensive numbers. I guess there is little point arguing that ROR for Baertschi + Brodie is a good trade. I'll drop it.
Value wise maybe but it would be really stupid for Calgary to do it. ROR is not going to be number 1 centerman ever, he is a really good defensive number 2 which the Flames don't really need at the expense of Baertschi and Brodie

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01-17-2014, 10:24 PM
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Upside. He's showing steady growth in his offensive numbers. I guess there is little point arguing that ROR for Baertschi + Brodie is a good trade. I'll drop it.
Yep, Colorado doesn't do it, ROR is quickly becoming one of the most overrated players in the game but Burke doesn't hesitate on that one! 22 year old first line winger for a overly hyped, struggling, 21 year old prospect and a young, skilled middle pairing defenseman, with an offensive up side....done deal!

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01-17-2014, 10:42 PM
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Yep, Colorado doesn't do it, ROR is quickly becoming one of the most overrated players in the game but Burke doesn't hesitate on that one! 22 year old first line winger for a overly hyped, struggling, 21 year old prospect and a young, skilled middle pairing defenseman, with an offensive up side....done deal!
So Baertschi is the overhyped one? Since when is ROR a first line winger

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01-18-2014, 02:35 AM
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So Baertschi is the overhyped one? Since when is ROR a first line winger
Since this whole year. Good one too

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01-18-2014, 10:59 AM
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Since this whole year. Good one too
If your trading for ROR its sure the hell not to play wing. Center is his natural position. Even playing as wing he is not a first line winger.

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01-18-2014, 02:13 PM
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If your trading for ROR its sure the hell not to play wing. Center is his natural position. Even playing as wing he is not a first line winger.
Well he's 22 and is playing 1st line LW, on a team that's much better than ours. Over the last 3 years, he's scoring at a .69 PPG level and is a +3, all while playing on a team that was brutal for 2 of those years. He's far better than any LW we have now and if any of the kids in the system can match his production by the time they're 20,21 or 22, I'll do cartwheels! I think it's pretty safe to say he might be alright as a 1LW.

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01-20-2014, 06:53 PM
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I have a feeling we see Hudler get traded. Probably the most valuable player we have as in what a return we could get, and doesn't play a Burke type game at all.

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01-20-2014, 07:16 PM
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I have a feeling we see Hudler get traded. Probably the most valuable player we have as in what a return we could get, and doesn't play a Burke type game at all.
I'm feeling the same thing. Hate to see him go, but his value will never be higher.

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Cammy and Hudler are probably the two most likely to be traded. Would like it if Stastny was picked up as FA.

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