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01-03-2014, 02:49 PM
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All good RT. I think we are all frustrated with the Coyotes this season. With ownership finally settled we all thought it was going to be easy!!! I will never take issue with passion from our group.

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Another item to think about has been the decline of certain players, in some cases due to injuries. Watching Klesla last night was just so tough. He looks like he has lost more than just a step from last year to this year. He can't handle more than 20 minutes of ice time at this moment. Rundblad just hasn't materialized (indecisive with puck, etc.).

Maybe we also need to come to the conclusion that as much as our defense has been carrying the team over the past 3-4 years, our D corps has actually regressed on the whole this year.
Pretty much. OEL started like gangbusters but slowed down. I think this may have to do with Michalek being injured. Now it's OEL that's out and. Michalek has no time table for return. Ugh. Our top pairing is now a mess.

It's a damn good thing that Keith Yandle has rediscovered SUPER YANDLE. He looks like he's "on fire" in that old 90's video game NBA JAM. Too bad his parter hasn't been great.

Morris was great to start but has been terrible since his family's loss. Last year after he came back from family issues he was a force. This year has been the opposite.

As you said, Klesla is not the same player we traded Upshall for. Sucks.

Stone and Schlemko were awesome last season. I think we were all hopeful they'd continue that amazing trajectory. They haven't. Both have regressed, overall.

Rundblad plays scared and is way too hesitant and weak with the puck in his own end. He's looked great on the PP. I think we all hoped he'd be more than a PP specialist. It's not looking good for him right now.

Murphy, though, has been an awesome surprise. He makes the odd rookie mistake, but overall he's been a badass.

There have been some pleasant surprises, for sure, but overall a disappointing campaign this far for the unit as a group. Having said that, the lack of consistent forechecking and quality defensive play from our forwards has played a part in this. Our forwards are not working as hard as they traditionally have under Tippett. They deserve some blame too. Doan's absence certainly has been a huge factor in this. It's also that guys like Korpikoski, Moss, Klinkhammer, Chipchura, Halpern, Szwarz, and Brown have been terribly inconsistent on the forecheck. At any given moment, several are playing like the cycle monsters we wanted but several will also be total passengers. They need to be more consistent. And we need Doan healthy.

That also leaves Smith. He's been great at times and terrible at times. He's been much more herky jerky, sloppy, spastic, and all over the place than we need him to be. Emotionally he's been a mess too. He's been a bad teammate at times on the ice. Almost like Bryzgalov was. His character was one of his biggest strengths two seasons ago. He really needs to get his act together. He's been crazy this year and needs to be more straightened out. Composure and consistency need to be the focus here.

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01-03-2014, 03:01 PM
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Our early offensive success has made our forward lines complacent I'm afraid. It's like everyone decided scoring should come easy and there's no need to grind it out and get that dirty goal. Vrbata thinks he's Mike Ribeiro and figured he can play lazy, too. Korpikoski and Moss seem content just cruising around and not being relied on to score. Boedker keeps shooting from the outside or passing the puck.

As far as Smith, I'd be in favor or alternating with Greiss more often, make him sweat a little.

But overall, Yandle having to drop the gloves to stand up for OEL said it all as far as I'm concerned. We've got a bunch of pansies on the ice. Where were Morris, Chipchurra, Hanzal and Bissonette?

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01-03-2014, 03:48 PM
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Essentially everything in your above post, is correct. ^^

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How's about trying this on for size:

The team was actually playing like horse**** (at least defensively) early in the season, when they were winning and scoring goals. At that time they had the fortune of bounces as well.

The team is actually playing a better overal defensive game now than they were earlier. It is more difficult to produce points when playing a stronger defensive game, anyoine who has ever played at any reasonably high level can confirm this.

There is no need to point fingers at any particular players, the team is what it is and no one is sandbagging it. Tippett shouldn't be blamed either, as the all but complete lack of attention to defensive detail earlier in the season had to be addressed - the breaks won't forever fall our way.

Are there highs & lows, good games and bad games from individual players? Of course, but given the team being iced there should be no surprise regarding the result.

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How's about trying this on for size:

The team was actually playing like horse**** (at least defensively) early in the season, when they were winning and scoring goals. At that time they had the fortune of bounces as well.

The team is actually playing a better overal defensive game now than they were earlier. It is more difficult to produce points when playing a stronger defensive game, anyoine who has ever played at any reasonably high level can confirm this.

There is no need to point fingers at any particular players, the team is what it is and no one is sandbagging it. Tippett shouldn't be blamed either, as the all but complete lack of attention to defensive detail earlier in the season had to be addressed - the breaks won't forever fall our way.

Are there highs & lows, good games and bad games from individual players? Of course, but given the team being iced there should be no surprise regarding the result.
Your right, to a point. Most of us thought we would struggle to make the final playoff spot, but our early season success may have spoiled us. The big difference that I'm seeing right now is our leaders, except Yandle and Vermette, are not leading. Some are a year older and slower as mentioned above, Smith didn't have emotional breakdowns every few games, Vrbata didn't play like a bottom six. Ribeiro while racking up points is lazy and can be invisible when 5 on 5 or if he doesn't have the puck.

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01-03-2014, 05:26 PM
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Pretty much. OEL started like gangbusters but slowed down. I think this may have to do with Michalek being injured. Now it's OEL that's out and. Michalek has no time table for return. Ugh. Our top pairing is now a mess.

It's a damn good thing that Keith Yandle has rediscovered SUPER YANDLE. He looks like he's "on fire" in that old 90's video game NBA JAM. Too bad his parter hasn't been great.

Morris was great to start but has been terrible since his family's loss. Last year after he came back from family issues he was a force. This year has been the opposite.

As you said, Klesla is not the same player we traded Upshall for. Sucks.

Stone and Schlemko were awesome last season. I think we were all hopeful they'd continue that amazing trajectory. They haven't. Both have regressed, overall.

Rundblad plays scared and is way too hesitant and weak with the puck in his own end. He's looked great on the PP. I think we all hoped he'd be more than a PP specialist. It's not looking good for him right now.

Murphy, though, has been an awesome surprise. He makes the odd rookie mistake, but overall he's been a badass.

There have been some pleasant surprises, for sure, but overall a disappointing campaign this far for the unit as a group. Having said that, the lack of consistent forechecking and quality defensive play from our forwards has played a part in this. Our forwards are not working as hard as they traditionally have under Tippett. They deserve some blame too. Doan's absence certainly has been a huge factor in this. It's also that guys like Korpikoski, Moss, Klinkhammer, Chipchura, Halpern, Szwarz, and Brown have been terribly inconsistent on the forecheck. At any given moment, several are playing like the cycle monsters we wanted but several will also be total passengers. They need to be more consistent. And we need Doan healthy.

That also leaves Smith. He's been great at times and terrible at times. He's been much more herky jerky, sloppy, spastic, and all over the place than we need him to be. Emotionally he's been a mess too. He's been a bad teammate at times on the ice. Almost like Bryzgalov was. His character was one of his biggest strengths two seasons ago. He really needs to get his act together. He's been crazy this year and needs to be more straightened out. Composure and consistency need to be the focus here.
Good post.

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01-03-2014, 07:25 PM
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Your right, to a point. Most of us thought we would struggle to make the final playoff spot, but our early season success may have spoiled us. The big difference that I'm seeing right now is our leaders, except Yandle and Vermette, are not leading. Some are a year older and slower as mentioned above, Smith didn't have emotional breakdowns every few games, Vrbata didn't play like a bottom six. Ribeiro while racking up points is lazy and can be invisible when 5 on 5 or if he doesn't have the puck.
Nah, I'm completely right (as usual), my opening sentence was merely an attempt at being nice.

Folks can over analyze this all they want, but I've pretty much outlined the scenario as it actually is, without the added embellished drama of pretending to know the mental state of any of the boys. We can't possibly know what is going on in any of their heads, as far removed as we are.

We are playing other NHL caliber teams after all and last night the opposition did an admirable (albeit aggravating) job of flat out shutting the boys down. Even then, we bury a few chances (no one bury's 'em all - especially with the likes of our talent) and you've got a different outcome.

The only thing that has changed with this group is some key injuries and a fluke disease born of a tiny insect. Would be hard a**es can claim that's a cop out and cry about how they want more all they want, but it won't change the reality that most all have known from day one and that is: while our depth has improved it not to the reaches of overcoming the aforementioned key losses. That and we still need another top six forward.

Right now we have a .500 team (at best), with some key players back, we'll be back to being a playoff contender. To excel in the playoffs we will need more - or crazy overachievement.

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Pretty much. OEL started like gangbusters but slowed down. I think this may have to do with Michalek being injured. Now it's OEL that's out and. Michalek has no time table for return. Ugh. Our top pairing is now a mess.

It's a damn good thing that Keith Yandle has rediscovered SUPER YANDLE. He looks like he's "on fire" in that old 90's video game NBA JAM. Too bad his parter hasn't been great.

Morris was great to start but has been terrible since his family's loss. Last year after he came back from family issues he was a force. This year has been the opposite.

As you said, Klesla is not the same player we traded Upshall for. Sucks.

Stone and Schlemko were awesome last season. I think we were all hopeful they'd continue that amazing trajectory. They haven't. Both have regressed, overall.

Rundblad plays scared and is way too hesitant and weak with the puck in his own end. He's looked great on the PP. I think we all hoped he'd be more than a PP specialist. It's not looking good for him right now.

Murphy, though, has been an awesome surprise. He makes the odd rookie mistake, but overall he's been a badass.

There have been some pleasant surprises, for sure, but overall a disappointing campaign this far for the unit as a group. Having said that, the lack of consistent forechecking and quality defensive play from our forwards has played a part in this. Our forwards are not working as hard as they traditionally have under Tippett. They deserve some blame too. Doan's absence certainly has been a huge factor in this. It's also that guys like Korpikoski, Moss, Klinkhammer, Chipchura, Halpern, Szwarz, and Brown have been terribly inconsistent on the forecheck. At any given moment, several are playing like the cycle monsters we wanted but several will also be total passengers. They need to be more consistent. And we need Doan healthy.

That also leaves Smith. He's been great at times and terrible at times. He's been much more herky jerky, sloppy, spastic, and all over the place than we need him to be. Emotionally he's been a mess too. He's been a bad teammate at times on the ice. Almost like Bryzgalov was. His character was one of his biggest strengths two seasons ago. He really needs to get his act together. He's been crazy this year and needs to be more straightened out. Composure and consistency need to be the focus here.
We are on pace for 98 to 102 points at the half way mark depending on what we do Saturday night. Lets call it 100 points. At the beginning of the year, if you would have told me or anyone else that we would be on a 100 point pace at the half way mark, we would take it. We would have been better then expectations even for a Coyote fan. Well, that is exactly where we are at today. I would also say we have had plenty of adversity with all the injuries on D, Doan being out for a while, and Smith being an average goalie. We don't really have any individual players over achieving at this point. Murphy is the only surprise.

If we get to 100 points, I think we are in the playoffs. If we get healthy and Smith plays better, we could be north of a 100 points and/or have a chance in the playoffs. Bottom line is that we are ahead of expectations for the year.

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