So in your top 6 you would have 3 guys with about 3 years experience in the NHL? When was the last time a team with that much youth up front won anything? You cannot rely on Cammy and Brown to immediately have an impact at the NHL level especially with the new rules. Dave Taylor has gone into seasons relying on question marks like with Allison and Deadmarsh and has gotten burned. Mogilny only played in 37 games, is coming off hip surgery and is afraid to fly so his price should be cheap. If you can't get Palffy or the other stars a guy like Mogilny who is fast and will play the corners for about 2-3 mil is a better option than entering the season with Cammy or Brown #1 RW. There is a chance neither even make the team at this time, they're kids so they need time to develop. King fans love to throw the prospects to the wolves and it hasn't worked out too well in the past.
So in your top 6 you would have 3 guys with about 3 years experience in the NHL? When was the last time a team with that much youth up front won anything? You cannot rely on Cammy and Brown to immediately have an impact at the NHL level especially with the new rules. Dave Taylor has gone into seasons relying on question marks like with Allison and Deadmarsh and has gotten burned. Mogilny only played in 37 games, is coming off hip surgery and is afraid to fly so his price should be cheap. If you can't get Palffy or the other stars a guy like Mogilny who is fast and will play the corners for about 2-3 mil is a better option than entering the season with Cammy or Brown #1 RW. There is a chance neither even make the team at this time, they're kids so they need time to develop. King fans love to throw the prospects to the wolves and it hasn't worked out too well in the past.
oh boy, and you're putting the first line duty on a guy just coming off hip surgery...wow! its been downhill for mogilny for the past few years now...mogilny...oh god! there is a reason why the leafs let him go you know...and if you think the kings got burned with allison and deader because of injuries, lets not go that route and take mogilny who is already past his prime...
and where do you suppose the kings get the money?for another forward...tell me that? you think the kings will go all the way to 39 mill? i don't think so...
cammy and brown don't have to take top 6 duty...if you go by murray's MO, maybe one of them get top 6 (insert luc in the top six but he was more effective last year with army and klatt). 3 guys with NHL experience, woa! discounting frolov's talents i guess?
cammy and brown might not even make the team, thats true...but its much better than an aging mogilny coming off hip surgery...
i still assert that if you put one of brown or cammy with 2 very good veterans they will do well...don't you think? plus, these rookies have to start somewhere...if you don't think os, then whats the point in coming to hockeysfuture?
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That answer is inextricably contingent upon the type of life being led... and, of course, the quality of the pancakes.
I would rather have Mogilny who scored 79 points 2 seasons ago than Brown who scored, what, 5 points? That's great he mashed in the minors but so did Lappy and a lot of guys. And if Mogilny is past his prime then Luc should be 6 feet under but I don't see anybody knocking that signing. Prospects are great but they need to learn from veterans. A guy like Frolov could learn a lot from another Russian like Mogilny or Kovalev. Name some other RW's out there who are UFA's, the Kings need depth, I'm not the GM just trying to piece together a team I would actually spend money on. Mogilnys name alone would sell more seats all year than Browns potential. Where's Pavel Rosa playing these days anyway?
I would rather have Mogilny who scored 79 points 2 seasons ago than Brown who scored, what, 5 points? That's great he mashed in the minors but so did Lappy and a lot of guys. And if Mogilny is past his prime then Luc should be 6 feet under but I don't see anybody knocking that signing. Prospects are great but they need to learn from veterans. A guy like Frolov could learn a lot from another Russian like Mogilny or Kovalev. Name some other RW's out there who are UFA's, the Kings need depth, I'm not the GM just trying to piece together a team I would actually spend money on. Mogilnys name alone would sell more seats all year than Browns potential. Where's Pavel Rosa playing these days anyway?
luc's signing is more of a PR move than a legitimate answer for the concerns at forward positon.
brown and cammy are highly regarded prospects...if you dismiss that then why are you at hockeysfuture? they have to start somewhere...rosa is in russia scoring alot of points...can't play here cause murray hates him and he can't skate. frolov played in russia and was a top 3 scorer before he got hurt...you still think he needs to learn something from mogilny? don't think so...
mogilny is 36...he'll be 37 in febuary...i would not be willing to take a chance on that guy coming off hip surgery. do you hear any news of him signing with anyone else? if he is that great still after the surgery and at almost 37, do you hear any word on who wants to sign him? i haven't heard anything...
Not to mention the fact that Luc wasn't signed to play in the top-6. He'll probably get 3rd line minutes with lots of time on the PP. Not that I wouldn't want Mogilny on the team, but to expect him to fill a 1st line spot is a bit much.
So in your top 6 you would have 3 guys with about 3 years experience in the NHL? When was the last time a team with that much youth up front won anything? You cannot rely on Cammy and Brown to immediately have an impact at the NHL level especially with the new rules. Dave Taylor has gone into seasons relying on question marks like with Allison and Deadmarsh and has gotten burned. Mogilny only played in 37 games, is coming off hip surgery and is afraid to fly so his price should be cheap. If you can't get Palffy or the other stars a guy like Mogilny who is fast and will play the corners for about 2-3 mil is a better option than entering the season with Cammy or Brown #1 RW. There is a chance neither even make the team at this time, they're kids so they need time to develop. King fans love to throw the prospects to the wolves and it hasn't worked out too well in the past.
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I'm not high, but I don't know what day it is.
Its kinda sad to admit, but i think palffy coming to the Kings is more likely than Frolov. Maybe I'm just preparing for the worst or just being pessimistic.
I just find it very strange how the Kings have not signed their own future franchise player, yet have signed a UFA (demitra) and entertaining Palffy.
Frolov has been given his QO. The Kings will worry about tying him up for good once the UFA market settles. Frolov *will* be in LA this year, no doubt.
This makes the Conroy signing that much better, IMO Craig Conroy is the ideal 2nd line center.
He can put up decent stats, he is gritty, he is great defensively and he wins faceoffs. He could be a temp fill in for a scoring line or matchup against a top line center in a playoff series.
Alot like the role Smoke used to play, but I think Conroy is a bit better all around.
Colorado was loaded though, top to bottom. I just do not think you inject guys into the top 6 without proving they can play with the big boys first. Especially this year where there are so many free agents available. Dustin Brown may turn out to be a great player, but you can't be in to hockeys future without knowing hockeys past-the Kings past has told me not to rely on young players. That is a lot of pressure for a young guy, I would rather see Brown on the 3rd line with 2 vets like Luc and Army learning the game the right way, and if I'm not mistaken hasn't the young Dustin Brown been hurt a lot already? Depth, you can never have too much. If not Mogilny there are a lot of other RW's who have proven they can do more at the NHL level than Dustin Brown.
Originally Posted by blitzkriegs
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This lineup is a bubble playoff contender. New rules or not, this lineup will not get beyond the first round unless Garon makes like Hasek 99.
LA has the resources to do better and will.
Disagree...I think there come a time when all the planets line up together and tells the Kings to go with the youth. Its in the planets dude ...j/k.
The reason I think brown and cammy should do well is because they've had a full year in the ahl...not nhl seasoning mind you but with 2 very good players in each line, I think those 2 will blossom...
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I understand what DT and AM have stated about injecting youth into the lineup this season. However, you would sadly be mistaken to think that injecting THAT amount of youth 3-5 rookies/1st year players will bring success. You can't rely on rookies to perform like experienced NHL players. To believe, 2 1st year players will blossom, let alone one to consistently produce for an 82 game schedule against NHL competition is too heavy a reliance for a team that could obtain players now to develop and reduce the roles of Cammy and Brown - Cammy is ready, but shouldn't be expected to obtain 60 points.
Also, Frolov has only 2 complete seasons under his belt. Neither of which he did not even achieve 50 points. He's gonna be a force, but remember Frolov had all of 38 points his first NHL season with a BETTER lineup.
In addition, the above lineup doesn't even take into consideration that Garon has never player more than 20 games in a NHL season (let alone less than 50 games in his ENTIRE CAREER). Or that, as of right now, there's two open spots on the defense.
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"Or 2001 (the Avs) with Tanguay, Hejduk and I think Drury in the top 6, all under 26 years old (Tanguay was 22 I think)."
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Now would you like to provide the 'core' that those players listed above played with?
I'll start = Sakic, Roy, Bourque, Forsberg, Foote, Blake, etc.
Anyone on LA that holds a flame to those (let alone ALL of them on the same team) to permit such an infusion of youth to believe LA will achieve such success?
"Or 2001 (the Avs) with Tanguay, Hejduk and I think Drury in the top 6, all under 26 years old (Tanguay was 22 I think)."
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Now would you like to provide the 'core' that those players listed above played with?
I'll start = Sakic, Roy, Bourque, Forsberg, Foote, Blake, etc.
Anyone on LA that holds a flame to those (let alone ALL of them on the same team) to permit such an infusion of youth to believe LA will achieve such success?
Okay, that was a bad example but I just pointed out that it doesnt mean 3 youngsters in top 6 = no playoffs.
Anyway, Demtra talked about the contract negotiations today:
Demitra talked about the contract negotiations:
"In the current bad conditions of the NHL they gave me a very good contract. I was pleasently surprised and shocked."
"I had 4 teams in my sights and I wanted to land in Colorado or LA. It all took 56 hours. The first offers were symbolic, a person could only smile at those offers. Yesterday at about 6 PM (noon EST) it began to be interesting. Teams began to beat each other in offers. Edmonton, Toronto, Carolina and Nashville were in the hunt but I didnt want to go there. The smaller teams faded away when the offer was bigger. In the end only Toronto, Colorado and LA lasted and LA won."
I understand what DT and AM have stated about injecting youth into the lineup this season. However, you would sadly be mistaken to think that injecting THAT amount of youth 3-5 rookies/1st year players will bring success. You can't rely on rookies to perform like experienced NHL players. To believe, 2 1st year players will blossom, let alone one to consistently produce for an 82 game schedule against NHL competition is too heavy a reliance for a team that could obtain players now to develop and reduce the roles of Cammy and Brown - Cammy is ready, but shouldn't be expected to obtain 60 points.
Also, Frolov has only 2 complete seasons under his belt. Neither of which he did not even achieve 50 points. He's gonna be a force, but remember Frolov had all of 38 points his first NHL season with a BETTER lineup.
In addition, the above lineup doesn't even take into consideration that Garon has never player more than 20 games in a NHL season (let alone less than 50 games in his ENTIRE CAREER). Or that, as of right now, there's two open spots on the defense.
2 rookies in the top six has been done before. i'm arguing that if you pair them up with very good players, they will do well cause they're both talented enough i believe. maybe one of them can make top six, i don't know...but i know that they will get a shot at making the lineup...i'm just hoping that they both get top 6 ice time.
and whats this little faith in frolov? i have to shake my head with all you frolov bashers...lets not belittle his experience guys...i think he'll have one hell of a season...
also, who do you propose to put in the top six lineup? are you thinking of getting another top 6 forward? not likely...jim fox was on FSN yesterday, and he basically said that they're gunning for one more top 6 (hopefully palffy he said)... a defenseman (he said schneider)...
Demitra is better at RW than at C where he's a defensive liability and mediocre on faceoffs. Although if Palffy is on RW, they will move him to C as his defensive shortcomings wont matter.
Now would you like to provide the 'core' that those players listed above played with?
I'll start = Sakic, Roy, Bourque, Forsberg, Foote, Blake, etc.
Anyone on LA that holds a flame to those (let alone ALL of them on the same team) to permit such an infusion of youth to believe LA will achieve such success?
Its 2005 not 2001 and you can no longer stack a team and buy a cup. All teams are on equal paying fields with mixtures of youth and vetrans.
I used Frolov as an example of what to expect from introducing rookies into the lineup. Look, a player of Frolov's talent on a better lineup only had 38 points in 70+ games in his rookie season.
You can make the case that this years lineup, while decent, is not the same lineup when Frolov entered. So, Cammy & Co. are going to be facing an uphill battle in many eyes if they are expecting top6 production from rookies.
It would be best for LA to sign another top center. Moving Demitra to wing would make LA more potent and a better use of spreading the talent around.
As far as Jim Fox, I don't think any reporters/team correspondents, etc. have any inside information beyond their own opinions. There's too much movement in too little time for teams to be talking to the media during this storm (only after moves are made).
For example, most of these people are going with the homer choices. JD had Holik back in NJ, never said ATL. Hahn had Aucoin in NYI, not Chicago. Fischler had McCeachern in NYI, not BOS, etc... All of TOR had Joe and Roberts NOT going to FL, but resign with TOR or CAR or DAL.
Umm ya to that whole to young thing i guess that Atlanta's offense sucks too you know with Heatley and Kovy both 3 years or less cant contribute or do much
well, JR ain't Forsberg, but it's the same basic premise I spoke about earlier in this thread.
And the same basic idea that LA needed a top line center to balance out the lineup. DT has made some very good moves. Just need a vetern D-man and another veteran winger...
The reason no Forsberg, if he's gonna take a paycut, he wants to be on a playoff contender. Something that the Kings look like, but don't have a true history of.
