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View Poll Results: Should the Blues acquire Ryan Miller?
Absolutely - Rental or not, he's a needed upgrade 36 36.73%
Yes - But only with the intention of signing him long-term 36 36.73%
No - He's not the goalie upgrade the Blues need 7 7.14%
No - The Blues current situation in goal is fine. 19 19.39%
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01-05-2014, 03:12 PM
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Assuming he'll cost a 1st round pick, and prospects (not Jaskin), would you dump Halak and acquire Miller as a rental?

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Depending on the price Id absolutely do it, I wouldnt give up our top prospects though. Especially Allen, Rattie, and Jaskin

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I'd do what Bouwmeester cost. If we didn't have the Edmonton pick, I wouldn't.

Our offense has proven that it is sustainable, so we don't need to pick up a forward.

As far as resigning him, I'd definitely be against that. He's only had 1 other season like this season.

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I'd be willing to give our first and mid prospects for rental Miller. Wouldn't go higher, and I'd be wary of re-signing him to a big dollar amount. Buffalo fans are off their rocker if they think they're going to get anything close to what they're currently asking for.

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The choices are odd to me because they can have the intention of signing him long-term, but that doesn't mean it will happen. And if he isn't the answer after they acquire him, that'll certainly change their minds about such intentions.

I think they should, but only if the price is right. That doesn't mean it has to be cheap, but they cannot give up guys like Jaskin or Allen, and I'd be very careful about touching the Blues' defensive stable. I think there are some gems in there and they won't get equivalent value right now for Vannelli, Schmaltz, Edmundson, or Hakanpaa.
Armstrong's a smart guy. If the deal is too rich for his blood, he'll likely weasel in playoff advancement and/or re-signing conditions on a pick.

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If the Blues can get him for their 2nd and a mid prospect sure trade for him. If Buffalo wants more than no.

I have no interest in signing him to an extension as he has hinted he wants term and big money.

I didn't vote in the poll as my answer doesn't fit into any of the options.

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I'd do it. Like many have said, he would be an easy upgrade over our one somewhat weakness. I would trade them Halak + our 1st. I'd also resign him if he were willing to 3 years max.

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The choices are odd to me because they can have the intention of signing him long-term, but that doesn't mean it will happen. And if he isn't the answer after they acquire him, that'll certainly change their minds about such intentions.

I think they should, but only if the price is right. That doesn't mean it has to be cheap, but they cannot give up guys like Jaskin or Allen, and I'd be very careful about touching the Blues' defensive stable. I think there are some gems in there and they won't get equivalent value right now for Vannelli, Schmaltz, Edmundson, or Hakanpaa.
Armstrong's a smart guy. If the deal is too rich for his blood, he'll likely weasel in playoff advancement and/or re-signing conditions on a pick.
I was just thinking this. If no major contenders lose a goalie to injury, the Blues will be the only real dance partner. Buffalo could easily get nothing, and I could see Armstrong holding firm on conditions for the pick. Buffalo takes its chances with our squad plus Miller advancing.

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Goaltending is the weak link on an otherwise great team. You don't give up too much--we aren't super rich in prospects--but you have to be kicking the tires on him. He's playing for his next contract. Right now the Blues are in danger of making the same mistake a team like the Flyers made a few years ago. Great up and down the lineup except in goal. Didn't work out too good for them.

But a lot depends on how management projects Allen's career. If they think he's a long term #1, then why not dump Halak and just promote Allen now?

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I just don't see a market for Miller. So I just don't believe in giving up a 1st for him. It's supply and demand. I just don't see any other team offering a 1st for him. I also don't think Miller would have made any difference at all last year in the playoffs.

The few times I watched Miller this year he did not perform any better than Elliott has. Granted it was a limited sample size.

Do any of you realize only Boston and LA let up less goals than us. We are tied with Tampa for #3 in GA so far.

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Wait, you mean if they see him as a long term #1 why not make him the short term #1? I can think of good reasons.

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The categories are an odd fit for me but yes I'd do it depending on which prospect. I think our goaltending is OK but Miller would be an upgrade and this and next few years are our best shot in decades...

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I proposed this in the All purpose Miller thread and it was accepted by a few Buffalo fans.



Ryan Miller
2014 Wild 2nd



Jaro Halak
2014 1st
2014 3rd

We would lose our first round pick which will likely be in the 25-29 range anyway. We still have the Oilers 2nd which will be between 30-35, then we would have the Wild 2nd which would probably be in the 47-52 range and then our own which would be in the 55-59 range.

This way we don't have to touch any of our prospects and since we have the Oilers 2nd we won't drop that much off of our projected 1st round spot and we gain yet another 2nd round. One thing to keep in mind is we have had quite a bit of success in the 2nd round over recent years (Backes obviously, then Jaskin, Rattie, Allen, Vannelli, Carrier and Edmundson are all solid prospects.


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I would offer our 1st and a mid level prospect. I'd try to re-sign him to a 3 yr deal, but not break the bank. If the Blues acquired him for this year plus 3 more, this team would be favorites each year. I definitely could see a cup or two.

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Wait, you mean if they see him as a long term #1 why not make him the short term #1? I can think of good reasons.
I can too, but at what point do they see what he's got? Just musing anyway. I am just completely over Halak

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I proposed this in the All purpose Miller thread and it was accepted by a few Buffalo fans.



Ryan Miller
2014 Wild 2nd



Jaro Halak
2014 1st
2014 3rd

We would lose our first round pick which will likely be in the 25-29 range anyway. We still have the Oilers 2nd which will be between 30-35, then we would have the Wild 2nd which would probably be in the 47-52 range and then our own which would be in the 55-59 range.

This way we don't have to touch any of our prospects and since we have the Oilers 2nd we won't drop that much off of our projected 1st round spot and we gain yet another 2nd round. One thing to keep in mind is we have had quite a bit of success in the 2nd round over recent years (Backes obviously, then Jaskin, Rattie, Allen, Vannelli, Carrier and Edmundson are all solid prospects.
This.

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I proposed this in the All purpose Miller thread and it was accepted by a few Buffalo fans.



Ryan Miller
2014 Wild 2nd



Jaro Halak
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2014 3rd

We would lose our first round pick which will likely be in the 25-29 range anyway. We still have the Oilers 2nd which will be between 30-35, then we would have the Wild 2nd which would probably be in the 47-52 range and then our own which would be in the 55-59 range.

This way we don't have to touch any of our prospects and since we have the Oilers 2nd we won't drop that much off of our projected 1st round spot and we gain yet another 2nd round. One thing to keep in mind is we have had quite a bit of success in the 2nd round over recent years (Backes obviously, then Jaskin, Rattie, Allen, Vannelli, Carrier and Edmundson are all solid prospects.
I can dig it.

Did Buffalo's fans go for it?

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This was about a month or so ago and I had 2 or 3 say they would do it but were a little hesitant. They said they would do it if they couldn't get a better deal.

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They probably won't and this will become apparent the closer we get to the deadline (unless there's some team out there that makes a deal out of nowhere).

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I can't see the Blues winning the Cup without excellent goaltending and I don't think neither Halak nor Elliott can provide that. As I see it, trading for Miller is the only chance to get excellent goaltending this season. He could definitely be a gamebreaker in the playoffs and steal a couple of games.

So it's a Yes from me.

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I proposed this in the All purpose Miller thread and it was accepted by a few Buffalo fans.



Ryan Miller
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Jaro Halak
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2014 3rd

We would lose our first round pick which will likely be in the 25-29 range anyway. We still have the Oilers 2nd which will be between 30-35, then we would have the Wild 2nd which would probably be in the 47-52 range and then our own which would be in the 55-59 range.

This way we don't have to touch any of our prospects and since we have the Oilers 2nd we won't drop that much off of our projected 1st round spot and we gain yet another 2nd round. One thing to keep in mind is we have had quite a bit of success in the 2nd round over recent years (Backes obviously, then Jaskin, Rattie, Allen, Vannelli, Carrier and Edmundson are all solid prospects.
Wow...Buffalo fans went for that? I doubt I would do that if I was the Buffalo GM. All he does is moves up from a mid second rounder to a late first rounder and adds a 3rd.

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Wow...Buffalo fans went for that? I doubt I would do that if I was the Buffalo GM. All he does is moves up from a mid second rounder to a late first rounder and adds a 3rd.
They were hesitant but if I remember correctly they agreed. Essentially they move up 20 or so picks and gain a extra late pick for a UFA upgrade in goal.

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For anyone saying our goaltending has been weak do you really see Miller doing any better than this stat line?


2013-2014BLUES 18 12 1 - 2 3 30 414 .928 1.85 975

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But, HF said Elliott sucks and will be even worse in the playoffs...

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For anyone saying our goaltending has been weak do you really see Miller doing any better than this stat line?


2013-2014BLUES 18 12 1 - 2 3 30 414 .928 1.85 975
You know that's not the same as staying that good for the majority or entirety of the playoffs and making key saves that are not reflected in stats. I'm in favor of Elliott over Halak and I think it's entirely possible that Miller is not "the answer," but you're not having the same discussion as most of the rest of us are having.

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