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02-13-2014, 03:10 PM
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Jeff Carter and Chris Kunitz are not Olympians, that we all knew. Rick Nash has been playing like dog **** even in the NHL, how this bum made the Canadian Olympic team over guys like Giroux and Hall is astounding.

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Duchene and St. Louis absolutely have to play a big part in this Olympics, this is big international ice and small nifty players thrive. If team Canada can't get over it's infatuation with big players we aren't going to be as successful as we should be. Carter doesn't belong on this team period IMO.

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02-13-2014, 03:15 PM
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Duchene and St. Louis absolutely have to play a big part in this Olympics, this is big international ice and small nifty players thrive. If team Canada can't get over it's infatuation with big players we aren't going to be as successful as we should be. Carter doesn't belong on this team period IMO.
When I think of Carter I don't think of a player that particularly likes to skate a lot. He's best as an opportunistic sniper and with smaller ice surface really fitting his game much more.

tbh it seems as if they don't think about ice dimensions when picking players.

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02-13-2014, 03:20 PM
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Let's see if Duchene actually plays tomorrow.

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02-13-2014, 03:26 PM
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I don't want to be overly critical of the make up or performance of the team yet, but I think Yzerman and co. put too much emphasis on size. I think on big ice it's valuable to have smaller, faster, smarter guys in the mold of St. Louis, Bergeron, Sharp. Duchene was a good addition. Giroux was a very big omission IMO. Carter and Marleau were both flat out bad choices. Rick Nash - could do without as well.

All I know is MSL, Duchene, Subban should all be in, and stay in after tomorrow.

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I don't want to be overly critical of the make up or performance of the team yet, but I think Yzerman and co. put too much emphasis on size. I think on big ice it's valuable to have smaller, faster, smarter guys in the mold of St. Louis, Bergeron, Sharp. Duchene was a good addition. Giroux was a very big omission IMO. Carter and Marleau were both flat out bad choices.
Marleau? He still has great wheels.

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02-13-2014, 05:42 PM
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Marincin made glaring errors on 3 of the 4 goals he was on the ice against. Pretty tough start for the kid.

Caught shadowing his own partner on the first. Gets his stick held and escorted out of the play on his third GA. Chases the puck carrier out of the zone and thus out of the play on his fourth minus.

Hopefully he makes some hay versus the lesser lights in their division, because he was out of his league against the USA.

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This game against Norway made me realize even more than before how good Hall would be in this tournament.

Imagine a line with the speed of Hall-Crosby-St Louis

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02-13-2014, 05:51 PM
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Does anyone know where to watch highlights of the games? Not the full games, that you can get on the CBC site, but just some highlights.

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02-13-2014, 05:57 PM
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To much worry for nothing. They will win gold.

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02-13-2014, 06:35 PM
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Team Canada put a big emphasis on skating, not size..

A lot of our best players happen to be big.

Carter is a very good skater.

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02-13-2014, 06:50 PM
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Team Canada put a big emphasis on skating, not size..

A lot of our best players happen to be big.

Carter is a very good skater.
He is a decent skater. To bad he's handling the puck like a grenade. The fact we do have good skaters doesn't change the fact that the selection of forwards was terrible

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Team Canada put a big emphasis on skating, not size..

A lot of our best players happen to be big.

Carter is a very good skater.
Olympics on the big ice is not the place where size plays such a huge factor or gives you an advantage, where you can paste guys against the boards, in the corners or open ice... I think smarts and creativity trumps all. I just like the smaller, quicker guys on big ice who can evade defenders and move around better. And yes Yzerman and co. most definitely did put emphasis on size, he said so much himself after the selections were made.

Of course Team Canada emphasizes skating, they did so the last Olympics and will probably always put emphasis on skating in this new age. I'm just saying their selections were a bit poor for my liking overall, in terms of player style.


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02-13-2014, 07:00 PM
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Grabner for example had a hat trick in his game. Give a player like that some room on the big ice and they'll destroy you. It's much more a speed and finesse oriented game on the big ice.

This Canadian team should have the horses to beat teams any which way IF they play up to their full abilities... but it's NOT going to be a walk in the park.

This is completely different than in Vancouver... different ice and no home crowd advantage. They are definitely going to have to bear down and earn this and it's likely going to be much tougher than in 2010.

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Carter, Nash, and especially Kunitz looked horrible out there

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Marincin made glaring errors on 3 of the 4 goals he was on the ice against. Pretty tough start for the kid.

Caught shadowing his own partner on the first. Gets his stick held and escorted out of the play on his third GA. Chases the puck carrier out of the zone and thus out of the play on his fourth minus.

Hopefully he makes some hay versus the lesser lights in their division, because he was out of his league against the USA.
The one where Marincin's stick got held I don't blame him 100%. He took the puck carrier out of the play, Jurcina was just as bad or worse on that one.

The first, he got backed off on the play, should have been more aggressive. The one where he followed his guy around had the rest of the team not stood still doing nothing it probably wouldn't have been a goal.

That being said, I expected the US to make him look poor.

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02-13-2014, 08:29 PM
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The fact that it took an injury to allow MSL to get on the squad doesn't give me much faith in our selection committee.

They had the easiest job of any committee at this tournament. They could have assembled absolutely any kind of team they wanted to.

Right now I think that the Canada B squad would beat this "A" squad, especially if our committee got their wish to keep MSL off their team.

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Marleau? He still has great wheels.
Agreed, I actually wouldn't mind if they tried Marleau with Crosby but that line did pretty well so it's hard to split them up.

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02-13-2014, 10:14 PM
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I thought Weber and Doughty looked amazing throughout that last game.

I'd keep Petro and Bogo together and try to use them as a shutdown pairing, while having Weber and Doughty's pairings focus more on offence.

Price wasn't really tested, but you've gotta give Luongo a chance VS Austria. I don't think there was anything Price could have done to stop that goal from going in.

If the gold medal game was tomorrow, Marleau-Getslaf-Perry would be my first line. That line had it all and they were only playing with about 70% effort because they wanted to get used to playing with their d-men.

If the gold medal game were tomorrow I'd have Tavares and Benn together. Nothing wrong with having Bergeron on that line either. I thought they looked solid in the minutes they had together.

Crosby needs new line mates. I'd give him MSL and Nash and give Carter a chance with Toews and Sharp.

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I wouldn't mind if Benn were switched with Duchene. But I'm pretty sure those are the lines we should be playing with. I thought Carter and Kuntiz looked like our worst players yesterday and there's no excuse for that if you're playing with the man who's considered the best player in the world.

Seriously with Carter --- Anyone would take MSL over him, you're not breaking up Getslaf and Perry, you're not taking Crosby out, you're not stealing minutes from studs like Tavares or Bergeron and I can't see Towes and Sharp getting pushed out. For this reason I don't want to see him back next game.

As for Kunitz, it was a joke having him chosen to the team in the first place. He's nothing more than a fringe 2nd line forward who's learned to be effective playing with Crosby in a similar way that 3rd line winger Burrows once knew how to be useful and productive playing with the Sedins.

Unless we sustain an injury or a suspension, I really don't want to see either of Kuntiz or Carter on the ice.

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Team Canada put a big emphasis on skating, not size..

A lot of our best players happen to be big.

Carter is a very good skater.
Yeah, but I think that L.A's stingy system has dampened his offensive skills.

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After watching the game it became blatantly obvious that this team would be significantly better if you substituted Giroux and Hall for Kunitz and Richards. Neither Richards or Kunitz can create anything on their own. Terrible, terrible picks for Team Canada. Missing Stamkos to injury could very well cost us not just the gold, but a medal.

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After watching the game it became blatantly obvious that this team would be significantly better if you substituted Giroux and Hall for Kunitz and Richards. Neither Richards or Kunitz can create anything on their own. Terrible, terrible picks for Team Canada. Missing Stamkos to injury could very well cost us not just the gold, but a medal.
Richards was on the ice during the game? I didn't see him at all.

At least Kunitz was getting shots...

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