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04-25-2014, 11:17 AM
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we should just trade the Schenns this offseasion or at the draft.

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B schenn is going to get traded and turn into a 65-70 pt physical 2 way c

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B schenn is going to get traded and turn into a 65-70 pt physical 2 way c
With our luck, package both Schenn brothers. Brayden becomes a 70 pt 2 way center and Luke Schenn becomes a body banger #2 physical dman.

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Brayden is going to turn it around tonight! lets go baby!

score some goals. you ****!

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I guess I am in the minority that really wants to keep Schenn?

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04-25-2014, 01:27 PM
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I guess I am in the minority that really wants to keep Schenn?
I don't want him hauled out yet.

I would love to see him and Vinny do anything at all tonight. Defense, offense, whatever, just something.

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I don't want him hauled out yet.

I would love to see him and Vinny do anything at all tonight. Defense, offense, whatever, just something.
Vinny made pierogies for team dinner!

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04-25-2014, 01:36 PM
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Schenn had 41 points during the regular season. On the list of 22yr old player-stats in the NHL, there are a few players who go on to have some really nice seasons.

Andrew Ladd - 30 pts / 63 games (2007-2008) - round 1 / 4th overall
Daniel Sedin - 31 pts / 79 games (2002-2003) - round 1 / 2nd overall
Henrik Sedin - 39 pts / 78 games (2002-2003) - round 1 / 3rd overall
Loui Eriksson - 31 pts / 69 games (2007-2008) - round 2 / 33rd overall
Nikolai Zherdev - 32 pts / 71 games (2006-2007) - round 1 / 4th overall
Bryan Little - 34 pts / 79 games (2009-2010) - round 1 / 12th overall
Kyle Turris - 29 pts / 55 games (2011-2012) - round 1 / 3rd overall
Wayne Simmonds - 30 pts / 80 games (2010-2011) - round 2 / 61st overall
Travis Zajac - 34 pts / 82 games (2007-2008) - round 1 / 20th overall
Alexander Steen - 35 pts / 82 games (2006-2007) - round 1 / 24th overall
Brandon Duninsky - 41 pts / 82 games (2008-2009) - round 2 / 60th overall
Justin Williams - 44 pts / 79 games (2003-2004) - round 1 / 28th overall
Patrick Marleau - 44 pts / 79 games (2001-2002) - round 1 / 2nd overall
Henril Zetterberg - 44 pts/ 79 games (2002-2003) - round 7 / 210 overall
Blake Wheeler - 45 pts/ 81 games (2008-2009) - round 1 / 5th overall
Dustin Brown - 46 pts / 81 games (2006-2007) - round 1 / 13th overall
Jakub Voracek - 49 pts / 78 games (2011-2012) - round 1 / 7th overall
James Van Riemsdyk - 24 pts / 43 games (2011-2012) - round 1 / 2nd overall
David Backes - 23 pts / 49 games (2006-2007) - round 2 / 62nd overall

Brayden Schenn - 41 pts / 82 games (2013-2014) - round 1 / 5th overall

Just hoping Schenn sprouts in the near future!!
And this is why people are too impatient with Schenn, his production is right where it should be for his age, especially considering he gets barely any PP points cause he's on that 2nd unit. Same deal with Couturier, his ES point totals are actually pretty good for someone his age and in his role. You also gotta consider all these guys on that list did it in a higher scoring league.

People expect way too much production from these youngsters. Schenn had a pretty good season when you compare him to players his age with his kind of ice time.

Now the playoffs is a different story, but he hasn't been particularly worse than any of the other forwards. They all need to step up, the only one I'm happy with is Voracek (who of course gets like no ice time).

I also agree with whoever said physical players like Schenn take a little longer to develop in the NHL. He's still got time to fill out too. We gotta be patient with this kid, he could end up being a great player for us.

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04-25-2014, 01:42 PM
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With our luck, package both Schenn brothers. Brayden becomes a 70 pt 2 way center and Luke Schenn becomes a body banger #2 physical dman.
Look at the players Brayden compares with at their respective ages, I wouldn't be surprised to see him hit 70 in his prime and his defensive play is already above average for someone his age, he's just overshadowed by Couts in that facet.

Luke is underrated, the guy is a beast when he's confident and he's got the 2nd best shot from our D corps. He could be a #2 if we get the right guy to lead the pairing, maybe Ghost or Hagg but that's way too far in the future to consider now. Luke isn't that old for a defenseman, he still has room for improvement and I think we've seen some good progression this year.

Count me in as someone who wants to hang on to both Schenns to see how they develop. I'd only move them in a package for an elite dman or elite scoring winger (like one who is always a threat to put up 40).

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His production is there, but looking at HOW he plays, it's difficult to see him hitting a next level and becoming what we expected when he was acquired. He has the physical tools, but he's always a step behind the play at both ends of the ice. He started trying to make some anticipation plays here in the playoffs and his choices have been routinely brutal and detrimental.

Physical talent alone isn't going to get a player to their full potential.

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He barely gets any pp points because he's on the second unit, or the second unit barely registers any goals because he's on it? He fails the eye test, gets into so many decent situations and drops the ball every time.

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He barely gets any pp points because he's on the second unit, or the second unit barely registers any goals because he's on it? He fails the eye test, gets into so many decent situations and drops the ball every time.
I mean, that's part of being young. Eventually he'll start to convert more on those broken plays as he adjusts. It's those flashes that he has that show us what he's capable of. But the second unit is just awful, he's part of that but not the main reason. I can't even remember a time it had a good stretch, even with switching out Downie, Read, Couts, etc.

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I really, really don't think he's cut out for center.

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I mean, that's part of being young. Eventually he'll start to convert more on those broken plays as he adjusts. It's those flashes that he has that show us what he's capable of. But the second unit is just awful, he's part of that but not the main reason. I can't even remember a time it had a good stretch, even with switching out Downie, Read, Couts, etc.
I've just not seen any flashes for some time. There never were that many and I feel that aside from a few small stretches we were just kidding ourselves that they were ever there. I've seen more exciting moments from Couturier this month than from Schenn this season.

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I really, really don't think he's cut out for center.
He is too slow to be a truly effective center.

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He scores tonight, Lock of the night !

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He scores tonight, Lock of the night !
deflection off his helmet. the schenn special.

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deflection off his helmet. the schenn special.
Yeah, he's so lucky that he scored 20 in his first full season, was second only to G in GWG, off by only 1.

Like him or not, he produces and produces well considering his ice time and age.

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He is too slow to be a truly effective center.
What? He's our second fastest center behind Giroux and he's not that far off.

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deflection off his helmet. the schenn special.
I don't care if he eats the puck and poops it into the net as long as it counts.

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His production is there, but looking at HOW he plays, it's difficult to see him hitting a next level and becoming what we expected when he was acquired. He has the physical tools, but he's always a step behind the play at both ends of the ice. He started trying to make some anticipation plays here in the playoffs and his choices have been routinely brutal and detrimental.

Physical talent alone isn't going to get a player to their full potential.
I don't know where the player from the Pens series has gone. I know it was a crazy series but he was great. He led from the front, played a part in a lot of crucial goals, laid out some big hits and generally wound up the Penguins. You'd have never guessed he was a rookie. Now, he just looks lost. I'll hold out hope because, even though it was only a relatively short sample size, he still did it at the time when it mattered. I agree with those saying we shouldn't ship him out, he's obviously going to be inconsistent at his age, but I wish he'd deliver a big performance, because I really can't remember the last one.

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He is too slow to be a truly effective center.
Lots of good centers are as slow or slower than Schenn. Lack of hockey IQ is the bigger problem.

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I really, really don't think he's cut out for center.
It certainly doesn't help matters that the Flyers have had him play all over the place. It's clear he's not a winger and the best chance of him reaching his potential is playing at center. He's too good to play in the AHL, but at the same time, he needs some insulated minutes at center.

Schenn was coming along the season before and after they amnestied Briere, it seemed like they were clearing a path for Schenn to secure a scoring center position. Holmgren then signs Lecavalier and Schenn is then bounced all over the lineup again. The kid can't catch a break here.

I'm with the minority who believe he shouldn't be traded. It won't surprise me if he and his brother are packaged in a trade to try to upgrade the defense, but at the same time, if they'd leave him in one position and one role and let him work things out, he'd be a much better player and there would be no discussion about moving him.

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Lots of good centers are as slow or slower than Schenn. Lack of hockey IQ is the bigger problem.
you're wrong there but thats ok, just sayin


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you're wrong there but thats ok, just sayin
You've been given exact instances of his poor decision making. It's time for you to start proving he has this IQ as you claim.

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