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01-09-2014, 04:21 PM
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... 5 years ago?

I mean, it's not really a secret... Where the heck have you been?
Seriously. Few dmen in the league are as smart with their positioning and stick as enstrom, add his skating and great puckskills and he's a borderline #1, and definitely a top pairing guy, especially when you consider how much he's been cleaning up after Buff.

He and EJ would be a great Roy-first pairing, smart and excellent defenders who can skate and are smooth with the puck.

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01-09-2014, 04:30 PM
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Seriously. Few dmen in the league are as smart with their positioning and stick as enstrom, add his skating and great puckskills and he's a borderline #1, and definitely a top pairing guy, especially when you consider how much he's been cleaning up after Buff.

He and EJ would be a great Roy-first pairing, smart and excellent defenders who can skate and are smooth with the puck.
If he was 5 inches taller and 40 lbs heavier, he'd easily be a #1D. His only knock is his size, and the right partner can take care of most of that.

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01-09-2014, 04:33 PM
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I guess "Crosby" is spelled "Maata" now, eh?
Maatta isn't even spelled Maata.

Just kidding. But I think JF's post may have been sarcasm.

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01-09-2014, 05:33 PM
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When did Tobias Enstorm become a top pairing dman? Gonna have to agree to disagree here mang. I'd much rather have Trouba and play him on the left if ROR is going away. Even Maata is a better fit. Big body, good skater, two way guy... and most of all he's gonna grow with the team.
There are 3 players on the Avs roster that would entice the Jets to give up Trouba, ROR isn't one of them...

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01-09-2014, 05:33 PM
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Maatta isn't even spelled Maata.

Just kidding. But I think JF's post may have been sarcasm.
I think this whole thread was started with sarcasm from Pittsburgh's point of view.

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01-09-2014, 05:36 PM
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No chance from a penguins standpoint. The penguins probably do not even pull the trigger for Kane and Maata straight up. To add their best defensive prospect not playing in the NHL and their 1st round pick is nuts. Thank goodness you guys are not Ray Shero.
The feeling is mutual, literally zero chance the Jets make that trade straight up.

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01-09-2014, 05:43 PM
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No way that we would give up Maatta, Harrington and a 1st for Wheeler.

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01-09-2014, 08:09 PM
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I was thinking about this not too long ago. Let me try:

To Jets:

ROR
McGinn

To Penguins:

E. Kane

To Avalanche:

Letang
3rd 2014

Let's see:

Letang+3rd for ROR+McGinn...seems fair to me.
Letang+3rd for Kane...steep...but it gets it done
ROR+McGinn for Kane...I think it works personally.

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01-09-2014, 08:20 PM
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As an Avs fan I'd rather just send O'Reilly to Winnipeg directly for Enstrom, or send him to vancouver for edler if we are forced to trade him. Trading him for another talented kid who needs experience before being ready to play with EJ just doesn't make sense to me, even with a late first coming our way as well.

Still good value all around for a three way, just doesn't do it for the avs.
Maatta looks outstanding already, I would definitely make that trade. Enstrom is definitely not the guy I want in a trade, especially if it was a choice between Maatta and Enstrom. Same goes for Edler who in my eyes has been on the decline for the past 3 years

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01-09-2014, 08:43 PM
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I was thinking about this not too long ago. Let me try:

To Jets:

ROR
McGinn

To Penguins:

E. Kane

To Avalanche:

Letang
3rd 2014

Let's see:

Letang+3rd for ROR+McGinn...seems fair to me.
Letang+3rd for Kane...steep...but it gets it done
ROR+McGinn for Kane...I think it works personally.
This is much closer value-wise all around than the original post but I don't know whether or not Letang is the kind of defensemen the Avalanche would covet.

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01-09-2014, 09:17 PM
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I was thinking about this not too long ago. Let me try:

To Jets:

ROR
McGinn

To Penguins:

E. Kane

To Avalanche:

Letang
3rd 2014

Let's see:

Letang+3rd for ROR+McGinn...seems fair to me.
Letang+3rd for Kane...steep...but it gets it done
ROR+McGinn for Kane...I think it works personally.
This is definitely more fair than the original. I personally wouldn't do it as an avalanche fan, but that has more to do with my attachment to ROR than the value.

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01-09-2014, 09:49 PM
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Pittsburgh gets hosed!
No kidding, we're losing Maatta, a 1st and Harrington and just getting back Wheeler. Holy crap is that bad.

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I was thinking about this not too long ago. Let me try:

To Jets:

ROR
McGinn

To Penguins:

E. Kane

To Avalanche:

Letang
3rd 2014

Let's see:

Letang+3rd for ROR+McGinn...seems fair to me.
Letang+3rd for Kane...steep...but it gets it done
ROR+McGinn for Kane...I think it works personally.
That's actually fair.

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01-09-2014, 10:01 PM
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I was thinking about this not too long ago. Let me try:

To Jets:

ROR
McGinn

To Penguins:

E. Kane

To Avalanche:

Letang
3rd 2014

Let's see:

Letang+3rd for ROR+McGinn...seems fair to me.
Letang+3rd for Kane...steep...but it gets it done
ROR+McGinn for Kane...I think it works personally.
Personally, I wouldn't be very interested in Letang. That's just my subjective valuation of him and the needs of the Avs.

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01-09-2014, 10:05 PM
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I was thinking about this not too long ago. Let me try:

To Jets:

ROR
McGinn

To Penguins:

E. Kane

To Avalanche:

Letang
3rd 2014

Let's see:

Letang+3rd for ROR+McGinn...seems fair to me.
Letang+3rd for Kane...steep...but it gets it done
ROR+McGinn for Kane...I think it works personally.
Valuewise it's fair but I'd say no from the Avs. I'd be more than open to something around ROR for Letang, but the plus could not be McGinn. The Avs simply cannot lose two of their top 9 left wingers in the same deal. McGinn is a guy that can slide in anywhere in the lineup and if ROR is moved he'd be the guy who'd take ROR's spot on our top line.

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01-09-2014, 10:07 PM
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Lemme give it a shot. Better or worse?

Winnipeg:

Ryan O'Rielly
Scott Harrington

Pittsburgh:

Evander Kane

Colorado:

Olli Maatta
Pens 2014 1st
HMMMM. That's a tough one. We'd be giving up our two best defensive defensemen (prospects) and a number one.

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I was thinking about this not too long ago. Let me try:

To Jets:

ROR
McGinn

To Penguins:

E. Kane

To Avalanche:

Letang
3rd 2014

Let's see:

Letang+3rd for ROR+McGinn...seems fair to me.
Letang+3rd for Kane...steep...but it gets it done
ROR+McGinn for Kane...I think it works personally.
Ok here we go, YES! As a pens fan I'd do that.

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01-09-2014, 10:24 PM
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Can I take credit of the first relatively universally accepted 3 way trade!!!???

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Can I take credit of the first relatively universally accepted 3 way trade!!!???
As long as you take the Avs out of it.

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Can I take credit of the first relatively universally accepted 3 way trade!!!???
It's not bad, TBH I'd rather keep Kane as ROR doesn't excite me that much as an offensive threat (yes I know he currently has more points than Kane) but it's probably the best value for Kane I've seen in awhile.

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01-09-2014, 10:31 PM
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Valuewise it's fair but I'd say no from the Avs. I'd be more than open to something around ROR for Letang, but the plus could not be McGinn. The Avs simply cannot lose two of their top 9 left wingers in the same deal. McGinn is a guy that can slide in anywhere in the lineup and if ROR is moved he'd be the guy who'd take ROR's spot on our top line.
What about condensing this to a two-way. Letang+Jokinen for ROR+McGinn? Jokinen can play all three forward positions on any line. I understand why it might be a non-starter, though, as Colorado is definitely a team in playoff contention this year and it might be ill-advised to shake up the forward mix THAT much.

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01-09-2014, 10:42 PM
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It's not bad, TBH I'd rather keep Kane as ROR doesn't excite me that much as an offensive threat (yes I know he currently has more points than Kane) but it's probably the best value for Kane I've seen in awhile.
Maybe wait till the off season then. Hopefully the Avs have ROR signed to a LT extension by then. TBH I'd rather do a ROR for Kane trade.

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Can I take credit of the first relatively universally accepted 3 way trade!!!???
I'm not sure the Av's fans like it much, but it seems pretty fair all around.

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What about condensing this to a two-way. Letang+Jokinen for ROR+McGinn? Jokinen can play all three forward positions on any line. I understand why it might be a non-starter, though, as Colorado is definitely a team in playoff contention this year and it might be ill-advised to shake up the forward mix THAT much.
Letang is a great player and would add some punch offensively, but the Avs have 2 promising RH PMDs in Tyson Barrie and Stefan Elliot. Barrie is up with the Avs trying to fill the PMD role. In his last game he made a beautiful pass on game-tying goal and was an absolute boss on the GWG in OT. In that 33 second OT, Barrie had 2 takeaways and scored to cap the comeback. I'd rather give the kid more time to see if he can become our PMD.

As for even trading ROR you answered part of it yourself. Why trade a core player when both the player and team are doing well. Right now we have so many top forwards on the IR that we couldn't even afford to lose McGinn, let alone ROR. But the main reason I want to keep ROR is that I feel his skill-set is that much harder to find.

This team is just coming out of its re-build and I would rather see what this group can do before making big changes. Hope fully they make the post season then after Roy and Sakic can sit down and evaluate the teams needs and move forward.

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01-10-2014, 12:50 AM
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Letang is a great player and would add some punch offensively, but the Avs have 2 promising RH PMDs in Tyson Barrie and Stefan Elliot. Barrie is up with the Avs trying to fill the PMD role. In his last game he made a beautiful pass on game-tying goal and was an absolute boss on the GWG in OT. In that 33 second OT, Barrie had 2 takeaways and scored to cap the comeback. I'd rather give the kid more time to see if he can become our PMD.

As for even trading ROR you answered part of it yourself. Why trade a core player when both the player and team are doing well. Right now we have so many top forwards on the IR that we couldn't even afford to lose McGinn, let alone ROR. But the main reason I want to keep ROR is that I feel his skill-set is that much harder to find.

This team is just coming out of its re-build and I would rather see what this group can do before making big changes. Hope fully they make the post season then after Roy and Sakic can sit down and evaluate the teams needs and move forward.
I know you didn't directly, but it's hard to compare 2 young D who've played what... 130 games between them to one of the top offensive Ds in the league.

Elliot and Barrie are what... 2-4 years away from truly being able to make an impact?

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01-10-2014, 12:52 AM
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Winnipeg:

Paul Stastny
Scott Harrington

Pittsburg:

Blake Wheeler

Colorado:

Olli Maatta
Pens 2014 1st

Jets get a top center and young, left handed defender, that should be a solid middle pairing guy because of Stasny's UFA status. Avs get a young, left handed, star defenseman and a late 1st. Mac should be ready to slide into Stastny's spot. Pens get a long term sulution, with size to play on Crosby's wing. It's a big price tag but should be worth it with the Pens defensive depth.
My god this is HORRIBAD for the pens, no, no, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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