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Are the players trying to get Carlyle fired ?

View Poll Results: Are the players trying to get Carlyle fired ?
Yes, they're trying to get Carlyle fired 30 44.78%
No, they're just not very good (understatement) 37 55.22%
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01-10-2014, 01:04 AM
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While the flames are brutal. Even today, they had a work ethic.
Leafs. You know what that is?

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01-10-2014, 01:10 AM
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While the flames are brutal. Even today, they had a work ethic.
Leafs. You know what that is?
I think they're probably like the Edmonton Oilers in a lot of ways. Young immature players who suffer from being a big fish in a small bowl and think they've accomplished way more than they have because of the exposure they get in Toronto. Those legit teams around the league probably have a field day coming in and kicking the ass out of all these little college kids.

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01-10-2014, 02:54 AM
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I like to think PROFESSIONAL athletes would take pride in what they do and that their own personal success is valued more so than a vendetta with Carlyle.

If there is really an issue Dion would have had a players only meeting and/or talked with Nonis prior to signing his 7 year deal. If any of the players on this Leafs team are trying to get him fired they are divas and I don't want them anywhere near the blue uniforms. If it is a large group then I wish I knew so I could just stop watching or giving a **** because they are wasting my time watching just as much as theirs playing.

As for the other option the players have they can do the Erat thing and just flat out ask for a trade because of it, its still a ******* move but it is the more honourable, manly thing to do. They are grown men, act like it, most people don't like their bosses at work and they make a lot more than most people so they can suck it up and do their ****ing jobs or they can get off our team.

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01-10-2014, 06:16 AM
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I think it's probably 90% true that being a 2nd liner in Toronto will earn you more celebrity than captaining a team to a Stanley Cup in most other markets.

These guys have their heads so far up their own butts with that Maple Leaf Square worshipping they probably think they deserve a banner for this season.

What does that say about those doing the worshipping?

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01-10-2014, 06:40 AM
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How anybody could watch the horror show last night and not realize that this team has pretty much given up is beyond me. There was absolutely no compete at all.

Whether it's to get the coach fired, or if they're just a bad team remains a mystery. The cold hard fact is that something is not working.

You can't fire a bunch of unionized millionaire players who obviously aren't concerned about changing their game to fit a system, so you have to look at the guy implementing the system. Feel a little bad for Carlyle; I don't think he's a bad coach. They just aren't responding to him. So when he's fired, and they don't respond to the next coach, what will the excuse be then? It will always come down on the coach; the over priced talent will never be held accountable in professional sports anymore.

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01-10-2014, 06:59 AM
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I don't think trying is in the vocabulary of this group.

The Leafs are just a bunch of spoiled millionaires who are going to come home to Toronto like conquering heroes in the bars, restaurants and clubs.
Agreed. 100% they want the rock star treatment but they play like c level chicken wing circuit jam night bar band material.

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01-10-2014, 07:20 AM
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I dont think there intentionally losing but its becoming clear they aint responding to Carlylses message anymore. This has always been the book on RC. Good coach but has a short shelflife because of how demanding and tough he is on his players. The team just looks listless and pathetic at the moment almost like a team that has given up. Really the only saving grace for this season looks to be if Carlyle is fired and a more positive, upbeat coach is brought in to salvage things.

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RC's systems aren't working, the players are frustrated, tired of being chewed out, and RC is unable to adapt.

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Wish we could fire the players along with the coach, they are a brutal group of spoiled frat boys, fashion designers and pretty boys who only care about how they look and how famous they are in TorontoWood.

This is the worst bunch of gutless, heartless players in the league.

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01-10-2014, 07:56 AM
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RC's systems aren't working, the players are frustrated, tired of being chewed out, and RC is unable to adapt.

The systems are sound. Its the execution that sucks. Standing around waiting for turnovers so you can try and score off the rush doesnt win championships.

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01-10-2014, 07:57 AM
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Wish we could fire the players along with the coach, they are a brutal group of spoiled frat boys, fashion designers and pretty boys who only care about how they look and how famous they are in TorontoWood.

This is the worst bunch of gutless, heartless players in the league.
Great post. Sadly, youre absolutely correct.

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It has happened before - players tuning out on the coach trying to send management a message
Example? Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan were talking about this theory yesterday and said it's completely bogus. No players can ever just go out and not try just because they dislike the coach. These are professionals who want to play well to further their careers and bank accounts. No way they jeopardize this because of a little grudge against a stubborn coach.

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Fan590 this morning mentioned they interviewed a Hurricanes player after the game (who wanted to be anonymous) on what his take was on the Leafs: Basically said Leafs playings get out of position way too often and it's easier for other teams to plan their games against them.

They also interviewed an Islanders player earlier this week and his take was the first 2 lines on the Leafs are pretty good but lines 3 and 4 are apparently "easy" to deal with and are their biggest disadvantages.

The Carlyle hiring never made sense to begin with. I warmed up to him after last season but it's clear he's lost the team. Let him go...

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01-10-2014, 08:01 AM
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Trying to get the coach fired requires good organizational skills. Have you seen them play? They couldn't organize a pissup in a brewery.

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Trying to get the coach fired requires good organizational skills. Have you seen them play? They couldn't organize a pissup in a brewery.
I thought kind of the opposite. If you wanted the coach fired, wouldn't you just have to basically not try to be organized in any way. And it's real easy to not be organized, just stop pretty much everything - which they seemed to have done very well.

My point is you are right - they are not organized and that's about all they have to do to get a coach fired. Management could trade a guy, coach can sit a guy, WHATEVER, if they don't want to play they won't.

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O'neill and McLennan on TSN have repeatedly said that the idea of players trying to get coaches fired is a media created myth. It doesnt happen.

Two former players, who played on different teams.

EDIT - Drew311 heard it too. And its not the first time theyve said it.


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O'neill and McLennan on TSN have repeatedly said that the idea of players trying to get coaches fired is a media created myth. It doesnt happen.

Two former players, who played on different teams.
Athletes compete to win, that's why these guys are in the NHL. Things happen in organizations that effect the mentality of a dressing room though.

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Athletes compete to win, that's why these guys are in the NHL. Things happen in organizations that effect the mentality of a dressing room though.
Yes, but thats different then purposely playing like crap to get the coach fired.

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Of course the players are trying to get Carlyle fired. They want the blame to go to him instead of them now that they realize how bad things are!! major roster changes are needed, no leadership whatsoever, specially from from the makebelieve C!!
Nonis and Carlyles fault, more Nonis...Nonis made the roster and put these brutal players in place and Carlyle has lost the dressing room!!!
And nothing will change in the near future so its also Management's fault. they feel their still a play-off team being close to that wild card so instead of tanking for top draft pick they will try to get in the play-offs and the cycle will continue for years and years

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Fan590 this morning mentioned they interviewed a Hurricanes player after the game (who wanted to be anonymous) on what his take was on the Leafs: Basically said Leafs playings get out of position way too often and it's easier for other teams to plan their games against them.

They also interviewed an Islanders player earlier this week and his take was the first 2 lines on the Leafs are pretty good but lines 3 and 4 are apparently "easy" to deal with and are their biggest disadvantages.

The Carlyle hiring never made sense to begin with. I warmed up to him after last season but it's clear he's lost the team. Let him go...
even go back to the LA king game - a player said, that Sutter just told them to play their game because the Leafs will implode by themselves. so what those players are saying doesn't surprise me at all.

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If the players don't like the coach and system then wouldn't it be more productive and proactive to call a team meeting and unite and play their game trying to win to prove him wrong, as opposed to this opposite theory of trying to get him fired by not trying to win?.

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Who on this team plays with a sense of urgency?

Who pays the iron price?

Anyone in a leadership role play like a warrior, act like a winner?

Someone nailed it to a T, they act like a bunch of college frat boys. I'd like to add, College frat boys on their parents trust fund.

Who here is setting the example that "I will go through a wall for us and this team to succeed"?

Any of the guys getting the most pay and time on the ice? Kessel,Bozak,Lups,Dion,Clarkson?

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If the players don't like the coach and system then wouldn't it be more productive and proactive to call a team meeting and unite and play their game trying to win to prove him wrong, as opposed to this opposite theory of trying to get him fired by not trying to win?.
Would it? Coach is teaching a system but they decide to play thier own way? Either way the coach and the players are not on the same page so something has to give.

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This roster is FAR better than what has been put on show the last 2 months.

They aren't playing for the coach - it's as simple as that.

Whether that's because they've tuned him out, or don't like him, or don't like the system - we don't know know that.

But those players aren't playing for Randy Carlyle.

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