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08-03-2005, 05:01 PM
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More than 50% of the quality UFAs have gone, that qualifies as most.
Ah, so you determine what's quality and what is not now?

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08-03-2005, 05:02 PM
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The buyout did not count against the cap last week. It was a get out of jail free card, to trade him now you would not get value and you could have dumped the salary and used it towards...Gonchar....Aucoin....Neidermayer...
Trading him dumps the salary just as effectively, but nobody's writing a cheque.

And, I'm confused, but what value do you get when you buy out a player?

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08-03-2005, 05:03 PM
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The buyout did not count against the cap last week. It was a get out of jail free card, to trade him now you would not get value and you could have dumped the salary and used it towards...Gonchar....Aucoin....Neidermayer...
That's the most stupid idea I've possibly heard on these boards.


Let's spend millions to buyout McCabe(who has solid trade value) who will then play somewhere else, get NOTHING in return. Then spend additional millions on a player to replace MCcabe, who we just threw away, and target someone who is marginally better (Aucoin) or equal.

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08-03-2005, 05:04 PM
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The buyout did not count against the cap last week. It was a get out of jail free card, to trade him now you would not get value and you could have dumped the salary and used it towards...Gonchar....Aucoin....Neidermayer...
Wow....just wow!!!

Spock would question your logic on this one.

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08-03-2005, 05:06 PM
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Ah, so you determine what's quality and what is not now?
I could say the same about you if you think most of them arent unsigned.

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Wow....just wow!!!

Spock would question your logic on this one.
It's like a kid in a candy store; "I want. I want! I want!".

Some fans just want their team to sign someone, anyone - that they'll make any trade to free up "precious cap room".

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08-03-2005, 05:09 PM
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Trading him dumps the salary just as effectively, but nobody's writing a cheque.

And, I'm confused, but what value do you get when you buy out a player?

You get more room under the cap....more money to go get players to fill your roster. Look at the NFL GM's they run their team by the cap number, even if it means taking it on the chin to improve the team.

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08-03-2005, 05:13 PM
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You get more room under the cap....more money to go get players to fill your roster. Look at the NFL GM's they run their team by the cap number, even if it means taking it on the chin to improve the team.
So you'd rather buyout McCabe (free his 3.25 million from under the cap) than trade McCabe for draft picks and prospects which ALSO frees his 3.25 million from under the cap - SURPRISE, SURPRISE!)

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08-03-2005, 05:14 PM
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You get more room under the cap....more money to go get players to fill your roster. Look at the NFL GM's they run their team by the cap number, even if it means taking it on the chin to improve the team.
Im trying to hold back here cause if I said what I was thinking, Id set a new HF points record.

but doesnt trading achieve the same goals while saving several million in salary and also gaining draft picks?

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08-03-2005, 05:17 PM
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That's the most stupid idea I've possibly heard on these boards.


Let's spend millions to buyout McCabe(who has solid trade value) who will then play somewhere else, get NOTHING in return. Then spend additional millions on a player to replace MCcabe, who we just threw away, and target someone who is marginally better (Aucoin) or equal.
So Philly dumping Amonte, Leclair so they could get Hatcher, Therrien and Rathje was stupid???

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Incredibly stupid if they thought that they could have found someone to take on their entire salaries for draft picks

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08-03-2005, 05:20 PM
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So Philly dumping Amonte, Leclair so they could get Hatcher, Therrien and Rathje was stupid???
Noone would trade for Amonte or LeClair. There would be interest in McCabe.

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08-03-2005, 05:20 PM
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So Philly dumping Amonte, Leclair so they could get Hatcher, Therrien and Rathje was stupid???
They had no trade value where as McCabe does.

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08-03-2005, 05:21 PM
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So you'd rather buyout McCabe (free his 3.25 million from under the cap) than trade McCabe for draft picks and prospects which ALSO frees his 3.25 million from under the cap - SURPRISE, SURPRISE!)
Who the F wants McCabe at 3.45M ??? He' the most overrated defenseman in the NHL!! He is going to struggle with the red line gone..just watch.

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08-03-2005, 05:22 PM
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They had no trade value where as McCabe does.
Really...tell Calgary that now as they just signed Amonte

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08-03-2005, 05:22 PM
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So Philly dumping Amonte, Leclair so they could get Hatcher, Therrien and Rathje was stupid???
YES IT WAS!!! Hatcher is gonna be a friggin post with the new rule changes.

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08-03-2005, 05:25 PM
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YES IT WAS!!! Hatcher is gonna be a friggin post with the new rule changes.
Oh I forgot..McCabe can fly... if Hatcher's a post McCabe will be the human turnstile.

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08-03-2005, 05:27 PM
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Really...tell Calgary that now as they just signed Amonte
They signed Amonte for a much cheaper salary and didn't have to give up anything to get him.

Do you watch McCabe play ? He is a solid NHL Player that almost every team in the league would be interested in at his under 4mil salary. Rare combo of toughness, skill and scoring ability. He has a great shot from the point - quick release, hits the net and is still hard.

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So Philly dumping Amonte, Leclair so they could get Hatcher, Therrien and Rathje was stupid???
There was absolutely no way anyone would take Amonte or Leclair off their hands. McCabe has trade value, Leclair and Amonte had negative trade value.

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08-03-2005, 05:30 PM
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You get more room under the cap....more money to go get players to fill your roster. Look at the NFL GM's they run their team by the cap number, even if it means taking it on the chin to improve the team.
OK, I'm going to break this down in a civil manner.....my "Warning Level" need not go any higher....

Buying out McCabe:

Cap room gained: $3.25 million
Money paid out: $2.17 million for each season remaining.
Assets recieved: None

Trading McCabe:

Cap Room Gained: $3.25 million
Money paid out: None
Assets recieved: a 7th round pick is better than nothing!

So please explain to me how buying out would be better option than if JFJ could trade him??? Please.



I am forced to defend the Leafs. This is a crazy day.

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08-03-2005, 05:32 PM
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OK, I'm going to break this down in a civil manner.....my "Warning Level" need not go any higher....

Buying out McCabe:

Cap room gained: $3.25 million
Money paid out: $2.17 million for each season remaining.
Assets recieved: None

Trading McCabe:

Cap Room Gained: $3.25 million
Money paid out: None
Assets recieved: a 7th round pick is better than nothing!

So please explain to me how buying out would be better option than if JFJ could trade him??? Please.



I am forced to defend the Leafs. This is a crazy day.
Yay!

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08-03-2005, 05:38 PM
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Really...tell Calgary that now as they just signed Amonte
What does that have to do with his trade value at the time he was on a different, and much more expensive, contract? Nothing. No sober NHL GM would have traded for LeClair or Amonte. Amonte's signing was decent because he signed for a lot less than he had on his last contract. This is not rocket science.

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08-03-2005, 05:42 PM
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OK, I'm going to break this down in a civil manner.....my "Warning Level" need not go any higher....

Buying out McCabe:

Cap room gained: $3.25 million
Money paid out: $2.17 million for each season remaining.
Assets recieved: None

Trading McCabe:

Cap Room Gained: $3.25 million
Money paid out: None
Assets recieved: a 7th round pick is better than nothing!

So please explain to me how buying out would be better option than if JFJ could trade him??? Please.



I am forced to defend the Leafs. This is a crazy day.
Leafs fans are definitely passionate about their players ... no one would give a bag of pucks for McCabe at $3.25 million (Besides TO needs D). We knew that working with a cap would be difficult for the Leafs ... just didn't expect it would give the fans brain cramps!
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08-03-2005, 05:57 PM
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OK, I'm going to break this down in a civil manner.....my "Warning Level" need not go any higher....

Buying out McCabe:

Cap room gained: $3.25 million
Money paid out: $2.17 million for each season remaining.
Assets recieved: None

Trading McCabe:

Cap Room Gained: $3.25 million
Money paid out: None
Assets recieved: a 7th round pick is better than nothing!

So please explain to me how buying out would be better option than if JFJ could trade him??? Please.



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Stuff your warning level....You still don't get it do you!!!??? If you trade him for a draft pick? When will that pick be available next year.. What the hell is your beloved JFJ going to do to get players for this year to fill the GD roster??.....He needs money freed up to get more NHL quality players. More room under the cap managed smartly means more players to fill the roster. I know the concept sounds foreign but we ain't playing in the old NHL anymore kid!!

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08-03-2005, 06:05 PM
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You two should read his very last sentence.

He is NOT a Leaf Fan yet he is defending them!

Why?

Possibly because he has more hockey knowledge then you guys.

how is a Norris Trophy contender from 03 who made the 2nd Team all-star worth a bag of pucks at 3.25 million when other comparible D-men are now making more?

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