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01-14-2014, 07:17 PM
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A free pass? He's 6th on the team in goals with much fewer games played. He's got more points than Dustin freaking Brown. He's had a bad stretch, no doubt, but Brown and Kopi do every year. You don't take skill out of the lineup when you have difficulty scoring, period.
Exactly. There had better be a trade coming. Attempts to justify this are a big stretch IMO.

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01-14-2014, 07:19 PM
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Not really keen on giving up either of those guys for Moulson.
Yeah, I would like Moulson, but not for one of them.

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01-14-2014, 07:24 PM
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Exactly. There had better be a trade coming. Attempts to justify this are a big stretch IMO.
C'mon guys. Dustin Brown is a man playing out there and Toffoli is a kid. Right now, Brown is twice the player Toffoli is, but Toffoli can and will improve in MCH.

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01-14-2014, 07:31 PM
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I don't know what Toffoli has left to prove at the AHL level. But more to the point, at the NHL level, we have no better replacements for him.

The bottom six's production is probably not getting fixed any time soon, if they want to keep Vey stuck in Manch also.

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01-14-2014, 07:33 PM
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I don't know what Toffoli has left to prove at the AHL level. But more to the point, at the NHL level, we have no better replacements for him.

The bottom six's production is probably not getting fixed any time soon, if they want to keep Vey stuck in Manch also.
He can prove that he can win board battles in his own end.

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01-14-2014, 07:37 PM
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I don't know what Toffoli has left to prove at the AHL level. But more to the point, at the NHL level, we have no better replacements for him.

The bottom six's production is probably not getting fixed any time soon, if they want to keep Vey stuck in Manch also.
There are many reasons he could have been sent down.
One is being discussed heavily that a trade is being made. This is the one I really kind of hope.
It also could be that playing even for a weekend down in Manchester could raise his confidence. He's young and the whole team is snakebit right now. This one wouldn't be a bad thing also. And sounds crazy but even saving his salary for a week could help us in cap space. It's that tight.
Or it could be something that he has done or perceived to have done that is getting him sent down.
We really don't know and to be honest I don't think these are even all the cases just the probable big ones.

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01-14-2014, 07:47 PM
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Am I the only one here that thinks this move has to do with giving Frattin a deserving shot at 3RW?

The guy's had good games, and I think he's getting the opportunity to showcase his skills.

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01-14-2014, 07:59 PM
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No doubt they are trading for a RW
The last time I checked the roster, the team needs LW depth--specifically "LW, shoots Left"--to the point I name-dropped Simon Gagné in another thread.

Really ironic how the sudden influx of LW's they had before the 2013-14 regular season became a need (Bordson and Gagné; they but fit under the "LW, shoots left" need).

Their RW depth is fine, if anything.

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01-14-2014, 08:08 PM
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Toffoli starts off strong when he is first recalled, then quiets down. I am not all that surprised that he's been sent down. I think Frattin deserves a string of games on RW.

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01-14-2014, 08:13 PM
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No need to send him down for a trade. They have a little leeway after the trade to send him down. He wasn't sent down for a pending trade.

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01-14-2014, 08:14 PM
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Am I the only one here that thinks this move has to do with giving Frattin a deserving shot at 3RW?

The guy's had good games, and I think he's getting the opportunity to showcase his skills.
And if Lewis starts the next game on 3rd line RW?

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01-14-2014, 08:21 PM
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And if Lewis starts the next game on 3rd line RW?
lol.

I didn't think about that, but I suppose with Sutter, there's always the chance of that. In any case, assuming that Frattin will get a shot at 3RW, I like this move.

If Lewis starts at 3RW...well, I really don't know what to think to be honest.

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01-14-2014, 08:39 PM
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He can prove that he can win board battles in his own end.
Oh. Sure. Come back when you're a perfect grinder, TT. Not like the big club needs anything else.

With time you may even become Trevor Lewis, and get away with shooting 0.0%.

Unless there is a trade in the works, this team is conservative to a fault.

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01-14-2014, 08:52 PM
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It's also worth noting that the Kings are off until Thursday. They could just as easily call him right back up before their game against the Blues. Could be done for cap reasons.
This sounds right. How much do the Kings save per day on Toffoli?

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01-14-2014, 09:00 PM
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Oh. Sure. Come back when you're a perfect grinder, TT. Not like the big club needs anything else.

With time you may even become Trevor Lewis, and get away with shooting 0.0%.

Unless there is a trade in the works, this team is conservative to a fault.
Not asking him to be a perfect grinder. More like Williams would be nice though. Williams gets his nose dirty much more than Toffoli. It's not like a kid always gets sent down because there are better players on the roster.

If there is something missing in his game it's better for him to go down to MCH and get it worked out. I'm sure Sutter and Lombardi gave Toffoli some very specific things to work on when the met with him. Developing players is what the AHL is all about.

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01-14-2014, 09:04 PM
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Partially trade coming, partially getting him more ice time and get his offense going(I hope)
Does that mean we are trading for another injured player if it is only a partial trade?

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01-14-2014, 09:07 PM
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Do you guys think it's possible to get TT to play some LW down in Manch?

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01-14-2014, 09:18 PM
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Toffoli will obviously be back, but he shouldn't be needing to come back, he is still on a 20-goal pace (over a full season)

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01-14-2014, 09:33 PM
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Does that mean we are trading for another injured player if it is only a partial trade?
Time for Hemsky

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And if Lewis starts the next game on 3rd line RW?
Where'd that Dallas fan go, I think I just found him that center he was looking for...

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01-14-2014, 10:28 PM
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I thought he had one of his better games last night. Made a couple of really nice plays with the puck but his teammates just can't finish.

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01-14-2014, 10:42 PM
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If this is not to open up a roster spot or make room for some trade, I'm really beginning to lose faith in the ability of management to properly develop our forward prospects.

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01-14-2014, 10:47 PM
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Not asking him to be a perfect grinder. More like Williams would be nice though. Williams gets his nose dirty much more than Toffoli. It's not like a kid always gets sent down because there are better players on the roster.

If there is something missing in his game it's better for him to go down to MCH and get it worked out. I'm sure Sutter and Lombardi gave Toffoli some very specific things to work on when the met with him. Developing players is what the AHL is all about.
Well, I disagree on two counts.

One, his game is not missing anything major enough to warrant this. His scoring cooled off a little, but scoring is always prone to be streaky. He's still getting shots and chances. Scoring was bound to turn around.

Two, they should care if they have someone to replace him! The West is tight.

The team is worse off without him. It's maddening to watch St. Louis and Chicago make use of their skilled young players when we could do the same. We need scoring depth. This is ridiculous.

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01-14-2014, 11:12 PM
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Well, I disagree on two counts.

One, his game is not missing anything major enough to warrant this. His scoring cooled off a little, but scoring is always prone to be streaky. He's still getting shots and chances. Scoring was bound to turn around.

Two, they should care if they have someone to replace him! The West is tight.

The team is worse off without him. It's maddening to watch St. Louis and Chicago make use of their skilled young players when we could do the same. We need scoring depth. This is ridiculous.
His scoring has been frozen lately, and he isn't playing well at all in his own end. Why do you think Sutter shortened the bench last night? He didn't want Toffoli or Pearson blowing it in the Kings' zone in the 3rd period. They have someone to replace him it will either be Frattin or a player coming in a trade.

I too wish Toffoli was playing like Jaden Schwartz or Brandon Saad, but he isn't.

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