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05-06-2014, 11:46 AM
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Richards will be bought out. Its all about age and contract.

Richards is looking to shoot from anywhere. That is good in some ways and bad in other ways. We need the shots but sometimes there are guys open or more room for him to move before shooting.

Richards has played fine in these playoffs but sometimes he does not give a full effort after the puck goes the other way. A lot of players are like that but in the playoffs it is harder to take.

Richards contract is untradable as far as I know. Nash could be traded. GMs will look at his mid season and his making team Canada.
likely untradable but Ehrhoff has the same type of deal and he has been rumoured on the block. A team that will never hit the cap max may think about Brich

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likely untradable but Ehrhoff has the same type of deal and he has been rumoured on the block. A team that will never hit the cap max may think about Brich

I believe no deal is untradable usually but there has been some talk that we would take some sort of recapture penalty if we traded Richards. The possible recapture is the only reason I would say untradable. In the NBA they even trade guys on bad contracts that have been retired for years.

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richards is a goner...his lack of speed doesnt suit the transition game we want to play.

sadly there arent many options out there. JT Miller will likely get a long look up front.

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Is there a window where we can buy him out? If not, I'd keep him until he stops producing. He's still got something left, and plays well in the playoffs (unlike Nash who is a total waste of air).

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Is there a window where we can buy him out? If not, I'd keep him until he stops producing. He's still got something left, and plays well in the playoffs (unlike Nash who is a total waste of air).
this offseason is the last time you can compliance buyout someone.

Rangers have to do it. theyd be fine if there wasnt that cap recapture, but its a killer. Richards right now is a 4-5 mil a year player to me...totally not worth what hes being paid.

if he was a 90+ pt player like he was before he got here, thats a different story.

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this offseason is the last time you can compliance buyout someone.

Rangers have to do it. theyd be fine if there wasnt that cap recapture, but its a killer. Richards right now is a 4-5 mil a year player to me...totally not worth what hes being paid.

if he was a 90+ pt player like he was before he got here, thats a different story.
Yup, I agree then. Stinks, I like him, and he fills a void.

Can we buyout Nash also? Yeah not kidding.

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05-06-2014, 12:46 PM
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Richards took a bad hit in early 2013 that probably left hi with a concussion though no-one admitted it. He stunk the rest of season and everyone was calling for his head. Now he's recovered and much closer to his old form (at least with the caveat that he was laready in decline) and everyone's backtracking.

Nash got concussed this fall. It clearly affected him after a strong start. It's just as likely that he could return to form next year. So maybe it's a bit early to panic?

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05-07-2014, 02:21 PM
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I get headaches from watching Brad nowadays. His cap hit hurts us more than his play helps us. Buyout please

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no doubt that he gets bought out, this season was given to him as a courtesy to up his free agent stock.

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05-08-2014, 07:50 PM
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Given the RFA's that need raises, the pending UFA's that they want to keep, and the rest of the players they will need to round out the roster, they have to buy out Richards. Trading Callahan for St. Louis with another year left on the St. Louis contract pretty much guaranteed it. The terrible and yet morbidly fascinating scenario would be if Richards gets hurt tomorrow. Then the Rangers would be almost forced to use the buyout on Nash or St. Louis, or trade away Brassard for picks and/or prospects that wouldn't hit the cap next season.

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Richards took a bad hit in early 2013 that probably left hi with a concussion though no-one admitted it. He stunk the rest of season and everyone was calling for his head. Now he's recovered and much closer to his old form (at least with the caveat that he was laready in decline) and everyone's backtracking.

Nash got concussed this fall. It clearly affected him after a strong start. It's just as likely that he could return to form next year. So maybe it's a bit early to panic?
All well and good but Richards contract is subject to cap recapture. Signed in the final year of the the previous CBA. It was front loaded with the last 3 years $1 mil per each. There is no other way really than a buyout to avoid getting hit with his full cap hit for the entire term of the contract. You said it yourself--he's declining and it's a big cap hit 4-5-6 years from now even if he's not playing by that time. The NHL put in language for the current CBA that literally turned Richards contract into a toxic contract. He is the one to buy out and to be honest if it were me he would have been bought out last year.

Nash IMO could be moved. I don't expect we would get a ton back for him but we should get something pretty decent. I suggested yesterday Ottawa's #10 this year now in Anaheim's hands and a young player/prospect preferably a forward in return. Richards is not really tradable. His contract reverts to us if he decides to retire before his term is up. He won't get his $ for those years but he'll have most of it already anyway--we'll just get his cap hit back.

As for St. Louis--he has a year before his contract is up. He has not fit in very well--at least as of yet. If that doesn't improve next year I imagine the Rangers and he will part ways while meanwhile TB has our 2015 1st round pick.

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it's too bad his contract has 25 years left on it for 1.2 billion dollars.

he scores big goals in the playoffs.

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it's too bad his contract has 25 years left on it for 1.2 billion dollars.

he scores big goals in the playoffs.
yeah, add to that you gotta bring back MZA, Pouliot, Boyle, Moore, Brassard, Kreider, Stralman...

thats a whole lotta raises that need to be handed out. moneys gotta come from somewhere.

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yeah, add to that you gotta bring back MZA, Pouliot, Boyle, Moore, Brassard, Kreider, Stralman...

thats a whole lotta raises that need to be handed out. moneys gotta come from somewhere.
I think at this point, Management is going to have to make a decision...

Nash or Richards...

They both carry the highest caphit of all skaters, but points-wise, it looks like RIchards is going to beat out Nash, plus add on the fact that it looks like Nash is about to go scoreless these entire playoffs...

It might, might almost be worth selling Nash for additional upgrades/assets/picks/prospects and keeping Richards, hoping he can get to 38 at a decent level.

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I think at this point, Management is going to have to make a decision...

Nash or Richards...

They both carry the highest caphit of all skaters, but points-wise, it looks like RIchards is going to beat out Nash, plus add on the fact that it looks like Nash is about to go scoreless these entire playoffs...

It might, might almost be worth selling Nash for additional upgrades/assets/picks/prospects and keeping Richards, hoping he can get to 38 at a decent level.
i see no reason whatsoever to buyout Nash. hes still in the prime of his career, and a 30-40 goal scorer. those guys are few and far between.

making decisions based on Nashs playoff performance this year is flat out stupid. not saying this to you, im saying this to EVERYONE.

Look at sidney crosby against us this series. hes been atrocious. think the pens are even remotely considering buying him out or trading him? of course not.

Richards is slowing down, and gets by mostly on his hockey sense and good shot.

hes no longer a detriment, but he's got a frightening cap recapture penalty.

if someone can figure out how to bring our other key guys back without amnestying Richards, id like to see it, because i find it tough to believe that math will work.

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i see no reason whatsoever to buyout Nash. hes still in the prime of his career, and a 30-40 goal scorer. those guys are few and far between.

making decisions based on Nashs playoff performance this year is flat out stupid. not saying this to you, im saying this to EVERYONE.

Look at sidney crosby against us this series. hes been atrocious. think the pens are even remotely considering buying him out or trading him? of course not.

Richards is slowing down, and gets by mostly on his hockey sense and good shot.

hes no longer a detriment, but he's got a frightening cap recapture penalty.

if someone can figure out how to bring our other key guys back without amnestying Richards, id like to see it, because i find it tough to believe that math will work.
As I said, it can only work if one of Nash or Richards goes... The Former would be traded for assets, while the latter would be amnestied.

Nash can fetch a pretty penny especially if he picks it up next season, at which point he can be flipped at the deadline...

Speaking near-future term, there is no in-house, or on-market replacement for richards that we can afford... Nash on the other hand is tradable with a horrible, but risk free contract, as well as the assets that can be recouped after selling him off to another team...

Just to be clear, I am NOT suggesting that Nash be bought out. That would be awful asset management.

Lastly, I'd like to point out Marian Hossa, a player that is 35 years old, and carries an AAV of jsut under $5.3M, who will also be subject to cap recapture penalty of varying degrees.
http://www.capgeek.com/player/291

If Hossa retires any time after the 20016-17 season, his cap recapture penalty is $4.275M per year, until 2020...
http://www.capgeek.com/recapture-cal...aded_year=2014

In comparison, Richards cap recapture penalty is $5.66M per year until 2020.
http://www.capgeek.com/recapture-cal...aded_year=2014

However, if both of these players retire in 2015 or 2016, the recapture penalty is cut nearly in half, thanks to the cut off of remaining "dummy years" on the contract signed.
Richards: http://www.capgeek.com/recapture-cal...aded_year=2014
Hossa: http://www.capgeek.com/recapture-cal...aded_year=2014


This is a HUGE risk/reward tradeoff, but given the Rangers win-now mentality, and the fact that this is NOT a bad team, and furthermore that Richards and St. Louis are clearly good friends, it's more than likely that this becomes the most likely option the Rangers will Exercise.


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I forgot we could buyout Nash instead of Richards, that would be hilarious.

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I forgot we could buyout Nash instead of Richards, that would be hilarious.
would be a huge blow to his fat ego, thats for sure

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i see no reason whatsoever to buyout Nash. hes still in the prime of his career, and a 30-40 goal scorer. those guys are few and far between.

making decisions based on Nashs playoff performance this year is flat out stupid. not saying this to you, im saying this to EVERYONE.

Look at sidney crosby against us this series. hes been atrocious. think the pens are even remotely considering buying him out or trading him? of course not.

Richards is slowing down, and gets by mostly on his hockey sense and good shot.

hes no longer a detriment, but he's got a frightening cap recapture penalty.

if someone can figure out how to bring our other key guys back without amnestying Richards, id like to see it, because i find it tough to believe that math will work.
Sound reasoning. I'd might be willing to go down the road with Brad for a couple seasons just based off of a better (not great) season this year and our success so far in these playoffs (and he's been a good player in these playoffs--any series winning goal like last night's is clutch) but the problem is the cap recapture thing is a a six year deal and if we miss the buyout window that's what we'll be facing. To look at the player and what he's capable of--he's older, he's declining, his ability to keep pace with other players--all that is not going to get better. He no longer even sees the ice the way he used to. He's not a great playmaker and at times he can be a defensive liability. His cap hit is large and the league targeted his contract in the new CBA with some pretty nasty penalties.

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Here's to hoping they change the 2 buyout amnesty rule to 1 buyout and 1 contract restructure. Would love have Richards for another 3 maybe 4 years.

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Said this during the Philadelphia series and I'll say it again here - Brad Richards is the best playoff center the Rangers have had since Messier/Gretzky. Two Eastern Conference finals in three years. When was the last time that happened since the league expanded in '67? I'm thinking never.

He's not a one man show, but he gets it done when it counts and he (along with Lundqvist) is the clear leader of this team with Marty gaining steam.

I hate the amnesty buyout. I mean, I get it, but I hate it. You can't really expect players like Hossa and Richards to renegotiate contracts they've already earned. That would be unfair.

Part of me thinks that if we get 2-3 more years of this year's edition of Brad Richards and then he retires, then it's worth the cap recapture penalty (as long as the cap escalates).

If the Rangers somehow manage to make it to the Finals, do you "reward" Brad Richards by buying him out with the hopes of replacing him in what is a very, very thin UFA market? IDK. This is a lot tougher call now than it would've been at the end of last year and, truth is, Sather deserves some credit for believing BR could turn himself around. He did.

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Said this during the Philadelphia series and I'll say it again here - Brad Richards is the best playoff center the Rangers have had since Messier/Gretzky. Two Eastern Conference finals in three years. When was the last time that happened since the league expanded in '67? I'm thinking never.

He's not a one man show, but he gets it done when it counts and he (along with Lundqvist) is the clear leader of this team with Marty gaining steam.

I hate the amnesty buyout. I mean, I get it, but I hate it. You can't really expect players like Hossa and Richards to renegotiate contracts they've already earned. That would be unfair.

Part of me thinks that if we get 2-3 more years of this year's edition of Brad Richards and then he retires, then it's worth the cap recapture penalty (as long as the cap escalates).

If the Rangers somehow manage to make it to the Finals, do you "reward" Brad Richards by buying him out with the hopes of replacing him in what is a very, very thin UFA market? IDK. This is a lot tougher call now than it would've been at the end of last year and, truth is, Sather deserves some credit for believing BR could turn himself around. He did.
Part of what drives me crazy about him is what makes him a good leader. He doesn't let anything bother him. Sometimes it looks like he doesn't care, but it's just him taking things in stride and rolling with it.

I agree with your entire post.

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Said this during the Philadelphia series and I'll say it again here - Brad Richards is the best playoff center the Rangers have had since Messier/Gretzky. Two Eastern Conference finals in three years. When was the last time that happened since the league expanded in '67? I'm thinking never.

He's not a one man show, but he gets it done when it counts and he (along with Lundqvist) is the clear leader of this team with Marty gaining steam.

I hate the amnesty buyout. I mean, I get it, but I hate it. You can't really expect players like Hossa and Richards to renegotiate contracts they've already earned. That would be unfair.

Part of me thinks that if we get 2-3 more years of this year's edition of Brad Richards and then he retires, then it's worth the cap recapture penalty (as long as the cap escalates).

If the Rangers somehow manage to make it to the Finals, do you "reward" Brad Richards by buying him out with the hopes of replacing him in what is a very, very thin UFA market? IDK. This is a lot tougher call now than it would've been at the end of last year and, truth is, Sather deserves some credit for believing BR could turn himself around. He did.
He doesn't put up enough points and we haven't gone far enough for me to justify overlooking how invisible he is way too often in the PO's. He doesn't show up everytime it counts even though he has shown up several times when it was the last possible moment that it counts like that 6.6 second goal and multiple game 7's. Still with a better PO performer we don't have to go to game 7 all the time. He's not a detriment but he's clearly not nearly as good in the PO's as he is in game 7. Besides the goal he scored yesterday he didn't impact the game much. He even had a real bad offensive zone blind centering pass which led to a great tying chance.

I've said it before though if we win a cup I have no problem keeping him. Can't risk the pain he'd cause keeping him for the full duration unless we've at least won it all already

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Honestly I don't know why the buyout is seen as 100% given.

I actually expect Sather to keep him at this point. The only place it is being discussed is on this board. There are no better options in UFA or in the system.

I'm not saying I necessarily agree but that's what I think will happen.

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