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05-04-2014, 12:40 AM
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The fact that he's willing to trade Richards for picks just goes to show how little knowledge he has on this situation.

If there's one thing that we literally can't do with Richards, it's trade him.

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05-04-2014, 01:29 AM
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I'd much rather get rid of Nash.

Hate to see Richards go. He's a player that always elevates his game when it matters. He's been our most productive forward two out of the last three post seasons, THUS FAR.

That won't be easily replaced.

Again, I'd much rather drop an even worse contract (Nash at $7.8M) but because of age, Richards is the one who is going to go.

People can criticize this man all they want, but we don't make the Conference Finals in 11-12 without him, and we don't get out of the first round this year without him and St. Louis putting up quality production.

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05-04-2014, 02:15 AM
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I'd much rather get rid of Nash.

Hate to see Richards go. He's a player that always elevates his game when it matters. He's been our most productive forward two out of the last three post seasons, THUS FAR.

That won't be easily replaced.

Again, I'd much rather drop an even worse contract (Nash at $7.8M) but because of age, Richards is the one who is going to go.

People can criticize this man all they want, but we don't make the Conference Finals in 11-12 without him, and we don't get out of the first round this year without him and St. Louis putting up quality production.
It's not a question about what Richards has done in the past, it's a question of what he can do for the team going forward and how much the organization is willing to pay for that production. Is the current group strong enough (with a few tweaks here and there) to win a Stanley Cup either now or in the next 1-2 playoffs with Richards? Is the possibility strong enough to risk the dead cap space when Richards retires before the end of his contract? Those are the questions that have to be answered. And I wouldn't be surprised if Jackass would take the bet and keep Richards.

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05-04-2014, 04:31 AM
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I've said it once and i'll say it again. Nash better watch himself. Because, no matter what age Richards is or will be, If richards continues to produce in the playoffs, Rangers management will keep him over nash if there's a buyout.

Just them seeing the 1 goal in 20 whatever game stats makes them wonder, I bet. Good effort or not.

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05-04-2014, 04:49 AM
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I don't think we'd have to buy out Nash, though. Someone would take him. I'm sure a team like Florida would, they're desperate for offense, and Nash is basically a lock to score 30 and maybe 35-40, at least in the regular season.

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I don't think we'd have to buy out Nash, though. Someone would take him. I'm sure a team like Florida would, they're desperate for offense, and Nash is basically a lock to score 30 and maybe 35-40, at least in the regular season.
FLA is rebuilding why the hell would they trade fresh youth for Nash? Especially at the rate he's performing right now.

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05-04-2014, 05:08 AM
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FLA is rebuilding why the hell would they trade fresh youth for Nash? Especially at the rate he's performing right now.
Where in that post did I say that Florida would trade youth for Nash? I don't see it anywhere.

Also, Florida is likely going to actively looking to improve their roster this offseason. They're going to have a new coach. No reason for them to sit back and be content, and Tallon is an active GM. He's been given the green light to spend. That team is not as far off as people think, and their best players are still young.

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Where in that post did I say that Florida would trade youth for Nash? I don't see it anywhere.

Also, Florida is likely going to actively looking to improve their roster this offseason. They're going to have a new coach. No reason for them to sit back and be content, and Tallon is an active GM. He's been given the green light to spend. That team is not as far off as people think, and their best players are still young.
and what do you suggest they unload nash for exactly? There's no one on that team they would touch without getting back at least one promising young guy. Just because they have the greenlight to spend doesn't mean they'll gladly trade assets and take on 8mill

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and what do you suggest they unload nash for exactly? There's no one on that team they would touch without getting back at least one promising young guy. Just because they have the greenlight to spend doesn't mean they'll gladly trade assets and take on 8mill
They have some other contracts they'll likely look to move. Maybe a guy like Tomas Fleischmann, who makes $3.3M less than Nash and is a fairly talented player who had a down year. Plays LW.

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They have some other contracts they'll likely look to move. Maybe a guy like Tomas Fleischmann, who makes $3.3M less than Nash and is a fairly talented player who had a down year. Plays LW.
A player that makes 4-5mill a year and has a career high of 28 points? I'm going to guess that's a no. Even if for some reason they wanted him, again, they would want a young guy in the deal.

At that rate they can just push to 6 mill and get cally back for almost double of fleischmans production.

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05-04-2014, 05:28 AM
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Wut? His career high in points is 61.

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nvm wiki was being glitchy.

the point still stands. career average is in the 20-30 range with 2 above average years. nowhere near nash

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05-04-2014, 08:00 AM
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If Nash was doing what Richards has been, this would be a non subject. Poor Sather. Even the best laid out plans don't go the way they're supposed to. Richards is certainly making it more and more difficult.


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I don't think we'd have to buy out Nash, though. Someone would take him. I'm sure a team like Florida would, they're desperate for offense, and Nash is basically a lock to score 30 and maybe 35-40, at least in the regular season.
But would Nash waive his NTC? If we take some salary back I agree that Nash has value, but his NTC could void any deal.

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05-05-2014, 06:40 AM
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I was just going to bring up Nash's NTC. As much as I would like to trade him for something I'm not sure we would even be able to.

Beaver has been pissing me off all season but he has been one of our best in the post season and his regular season points production was still top of the team. If we have to buy somebody out I hope its Nash.

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05-05-2014, 08:44 AM
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I was just going to bring up Nash's NTC. As much as I would like to trade him for something I'm not sure we would even be able to.

Beaver has been pissing me off all season but he has been one of our best in the post season and his regular season points production was still top of the team. If we have to buy somebody out I hope its Nash.
Never sell low. You'd be doing that with nash.
Never buy high (in stocks or drugs). You'd be doing that with BR.

If we don't win a cup the realistic assesment is that BR isn't bringing nearly enough, not even now when he is showing some production. You have to assess what each asset can bring going forward. The key factors are age, past performance and whether the player can be traded.
Nash is younger, had a good season where he was on a 70+ pt pace and dominated for us, but he has not shown up for the PO's at all. He can still be traded.
BR is older had a few 60 pt seasons but has never been dominant although he has shown up at least to some degree in 2 PO's...he did also get benched for one PO and he cannot be traded.

It's at least debatable but it seems the answer is to cut the older guy in this case. Nash can be traded in a year or two without a problem especially now that teams can retain cash in the deals. Even if all we get is a few mid round picks it's better than the nothing we'd get with BR (b/c he's untradeable) combined with BR eating 6.66 in cap. We could afford to jettison BR and keep Brass, Moore, Poo and strals. (may go over the 6.66. Maybe all 4 would cost us 9 mil together.)

I would be shocked if Nash doesn't score 30G+ 60+pts for the next 3 years in the regular season. I would be shocked if BR is still producing 50 pts in 3 years


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Oh yea not only can BR not be traded but he is signed until 2020. Nash's contract will be up 2 whole seasons before that! Nash is around for only 4 seasons after this one. BR is around for 6. It's a no contest. KO. Dump BR. Keeping him until 2020 isn't just the wrong move it's insane

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Oh yea not only can BR not be traded but he is signed until 2020. Nash's contract will be up 2 whole seasons before that! Nash is around for only 4 seasons after this one. BR is around for 6. It's a no contest. KO. Dump BR. Keeping him until 2020 isn't just the wrong move it's insane
sad but true. I'd MUCH rather have Nash gone and keep Richards.

Nash is just a complete dud that folds under pressure. Boy was I wrong about this guy.

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Richards' play of late has made me think buying him out is not a certainty. I also think if his cap hit were a million dollars lower, it'd pretty much be a moot point and he'd be sticking around.

Strange what a difference a year can make.

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Whether he gets bought out or not comes down to how management views our window. If they think we have a legitimate shot in the next 2-3 years with MSL here and Nash, Girardi, Hank all in their primes then an argument can be made to keep Richards. They would justify it as taking the shot now and dealing with the consequences later, hoping the cap goes up enough that the penalty we incur isn't as devastating as it could be.

Chicago is doing it with Hossa. He's on a similar deal that will have a big penalty if he retires early, but they see their team with key guys in their prime and a legitimate window where they can win more championships and they kept Hossa. Deal with the penalty down the road.

After the league giving the Devils their 1st round pick back for the Kovy debacle there's also the thought that who knows if the NHL will let team do something else with the penalty or putting Richards on LTIR for the last year or two so there's no penalty. Honestly, if something like that could be done I wouldn't be opposed to keeping him. He's a solid 2C right now, PP specialist (current funk aside) and a clear leader in the room. Having him as part of our centers also gives us three lines that can score with Stepan, Brass and Richie down the middle.

As much of a certainty as people think it is, it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

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Richards' play of late has made me think buying him out is not a certainty. I also think if his cap hit were a million dollars lower, it'd pretty much be a moot point and he'd be sticking around.

Strange what a difference a year can make.
And at that point, $1M isn't really that much with the cap going up...

I like Richards' play and I would like him to stick. Reality is he's made our team better and he's been a voice in the locker room. Playing with MSL has to be keeping him pumped up.

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Whether he gets bought out or not comes down to how management views our window. If they think we have a legitimate shot in the next 2-3 years with MSL here and Nash, Girardi, Hank all in their primes then an argument can be made to keep Richards. They would justify it as taking the shot now and dealing with the consequences later, hoping the cap goes up enough that the penalty we incur isn't as devastating as it could be.

Chicago is doing it with Hossa. He's on a similar deal that will have a big penalty if he retires early, but they see their team with key guys in their prime and a legitimate window where they can win more championships and they kept Hossa. Deal with the penalty down the road.

After the league giving the Devils their 1st round pick back for the Kovy debacle there's also the thought that who knows if the NHL will let team do something else with the penalty or putting Richards on LTIR for the last year or two so there's no penalty. Honestly, if something like that could be done I wouldn't be opposed to keeping him. He's a solid 2C right now, PP specialist (current funk aside) and a clear leader in the room. Having him as part of our centers also gives us three lines that can score with Stepan, Brass and Richie down the middle.

As much of a certainty as people think it is, it will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Spot on post. I mentioned once that Hossa incurs a $8M penalty if he retires early as well (months back). obviously it is worth it for Chicago, because he is producing at a wonderful rate.

Richards is also our leading scorer, a veteran presence, and a decent PPQB... I'm hoping one more offseason can get the spunk back into his legs.

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I've alluded to the Beaver's awareness in a few threads, but this is the Brad Richard's thread, so this is the place for the footage.

The following clip is a highlight from NHL.co via YouTube for the Jussi Jokinen goal:



It's hard to see in the replay until ~30 seconds when the ice level replay starts.

One can clearly see that Richards eventually pointed to the neutral zone to indicate the impending play.

Although he stopped skating, and didn't tackle the puck carrier, I still think he noticed what was going on, and that is awareness in my book.

If the video doesn't work, here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXmg4ry-814

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I really hope Nash can turn it around for you guys this postseason, it's sad to see an Olympian with that much talent not getting it done offensively whatsoever.

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Richards HAS to be bought out. the Cap recapture issue dictates that.

Nash CAN be traded. Eat a good portion of that salary $2.5 mil per for 4 years and you have your selves one very tradeable player.

We need that 2015 1st back.

Sather is an idiot. The rest of the front office are just as stupid

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Richards will be bought out. Its all about age and contract.

Richards is looking to shoot from anywhere. That is good in some ways and bad in other ways. We need the shots but sometimes there are guys open or more room for him to move before shooting.

Richards has played fine in these playoffs but sometimes he does not give a full effort after the puck goes the other way. A lot of players are like that but in the playoffs it is harder to take.

Richards contract is untradable as far as I know. Nash could be traded. GMs will look at his mid season and his making team Canada.

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