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01-15-2014, 01:29 PM
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How can both eller-Gallagher and DD-Pacioretty be simultaneously productive? There are only so many easy minutes to go around.

Reuniting the EGG line is not a solution.
It's actually simple, don't give all the offensive minutes to only one line. Spread them out. You don't need one line to take 4min of PP time and the other 0. Sharing those same minutes and giving a slight edge to whoever is hottest makes much more sense. Last year all 4 were productive, so it's not like it can't be done.

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01-15-2014, 01:33 PM
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Gionta 14 goals to 7 this season...

Anyways, I think we need to acquire a guy like Vanek at the deadline. Keep Pacioretty with Desharnais, put Vanek with Plekanec and bring the EGG line back together when Galchenyuk returns. VOILA, dangerous offense! He'll love it in MTL, and we'll re-sign him this summer a-la Kovalev circa 2005.
Acquiring Vanek with the risk of losing him for nothing would be a huge waste of assets and set the team back. NYI would want a minimum of a 1st, top prospect(Tinordi Beaulieu DLR) plus a guy like Bournival or LeBlanc.

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Ok, so what are you trading for Vanek?

It cost them Moulson (30 goal scorer) and a 1st round pick.

It would cost us Bourque, defensive prospect (Pateryn), top prospect (Collberg, Lehkonen, De La Rose, Fucale etc.), a 1st round pick and a 2nd round pick.

Then you have to convince Vanek to sign with the Habs and have the cap room to fit him under.

I doubt NYI would touch Bourque, his value is nowhere near what Moulson was. But if taht deal came to pass...by moving Bourque and letting Gionta walk you have 8.33 mil freed of cap space for next year.

Finding cap space for Vanek(unless he costs over 9 mil) is a non issue to me. Guys like Gionta, Bourque, Moen, Briere can be let go, traded or bought out if needed. The Habs could clear 4-5 mil pretty easy with a couple trades or a trade and a buyout.

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Therrien single handedly destroyed this teams offence. Smoky Thompson and Kriss E said it perfectly. We have the team to play a great offensive forechecking style but we are trying to be the LA Kings without a team that can play that style.
Why would a coach intentionally destroy a team's offense?

Do you think he is telling Bourque to dog it? ...or Gionta not to score? ...or Eller to not produce?

The only reason they play a different style this year vs last year is through NECESSITY because the offense is not there.

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Eller has to pick up a lot of the defensive slack, considering how useless Desharnais and White are defensively.
Plekanec plays against the top lines on the opposition, so the toughest minutes and he still produces offense, even with Gionta on one side and Bourque on the other.

People are being too soft on Eller. Yes he contributes defensively, but he should be putting up better numbers.

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01-15-2014, 01:42 PM
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It's actually simple, don't give all the offensive minutes to only one line. Spread them out. You don't need one line to take 4min of PP time and the other 0. Sharing those same minutes and giving a slight edge to whoever is hottest makes much more sense. Last year all 4 were productive, so it's not like it can't be done.
Since MT took over they have used 3 lines on the PP at different points in the season and games. The forward spread of PP time is dramatically different from the d-men.

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01-15-2014, 01:46 PM
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Since MT took over they have used 3 lines on the PP at different points in the season and games. The forward spread of PP time is dramatically different from the d-men.
The OP is about the last 18 games not since MT took over. In the last 18 games it has been primarily 1 forward line only.

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01-15-2014, 01:53 PM
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The OP is about the last 18 games not since MT took over. In the last 18 games it has been primarily 1 forward line only.
Forward lines never play more than a minute of PP so that comment makes no sense. Every 2 minute PP has 2 lines.

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01-15-2014, 01:57 PM
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Forward lines never play more than a minute of PP so that comment makes no sense. Every 2 minute PP has 2 lines.
NHL.com has this cool feature that tracks total, PP, PK TOI for each player every game. If you'd look at if after every game for the past 18 games, you wouldn't make such a senseless comment.

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Eller has to pick up a lot of the defensive slack, considering how useless Desharnais and White are defensively.
White is great defensively.

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01-15-2014, 01:59 PM
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NHL.com has this cool feature that tracks total, PP, PK TOI for each player every game. If you'd look at if after every game for the past 18 games, you wouldn't make such a senseless comment.
So one line has played all the PP time for 18 straight games?

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01-15-2014, 02:00 PM
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White is great defensively.
Not really. He is average at best. Him with Prust and Moen is not a bad 4th line though.

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01-15-2014, 02:02 PM
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So one line has played all the PP time for 18 straight games?
One one has consistently gotten over 4 pp mins, while other lines hover around 1-2.

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Markov and Subban are not playing together at even strength anymore... that's what happened!

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Markov and Subban are not playing together at even strength anymore... that's what happened!
True, them playing 25+ mins together pretty much assures possession for at least a third of the game lol.

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Markov and Subban are not playing together at even strength anymore... that's what happened!
Yeah separating those two certainly hasn't helped. They were one of the league's top pairing offensively and defensively.

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Forward lines never play more than a minute of PP so that comment makes no sense. Every 2 minute PP has 2 lines.
So how do you explain DD's PP time vs the next closest (Plekanec)
3:12 next closest 1:32
3:52 next closest 2:48
3:03 next closest 0:57
4:25 next closest 1:32
2:43 next closest 0:58

In those 5 games DD has averaged 60% of the PP time. Far from the 50/50 split you seem to think happens. It's been like this for quite some time now.

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True, them playing 25+ mins together pretty much assures possession for at least a third of the game lol.
But it also assured us 35min of not having possession.

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But it also assured us 35min of not having possession.
With Emelin playing the way he was playing last season, he's a decent PMD. Good skater, good first pass, agile, patient with the puck. Emelin-Diaz playing 18-20 minutes would help us in the possession department.

Gorges-Murray would be brutal though.

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the Habs' play has been depressing to watch for a good month now. I can barely remember a single scoring chance per game. It's all dump and chase (without the chase), or cycle from behind the net to the wings to the defense over and over...

it kills me!

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The team has scored 1 goal or less 17 times this season. That is a third of all the games they have played. And half our games, we have scored 2 goals or less. I am surprised where we are the standings given this lack of scoring. Personally, I think it is a lack of talent and no depth.

We have 15.8 million, out of a total of 34.9 million budget for forwards, tied up in Briere, Gionta, Deharnais, and Bourque. This makes up 45% of the cap for forwards. They have produced 26 goals and 38 assists for a total of 64 points. Not nearly good enough for such a large chunk of cap space. In fact, it is brutal. Players who make this much should be putting up seasons of 60 points, not 35 to 40.

I will put this out there but our highest producing player on offense, Pacioretty, ranks 97th in the league for points.

EDIT: The fact that we do not have a good #3 D has not helped our offense as well. There is a lot of work that needs to be done with this team.


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01-15-2014, 04:44 PM
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Plekanec plays against the top lines on the opposition, so the toughest minutes and he still produces offense, even with Gionta on one side and Bourque on the other.

People are being too soft on Eller. Yes he contributes defensively, but he should be putting up better numbers.
Not sure what you are getting at here really. Plekanec is better than Eller, he plays a little more, there's only 8pts separating both, and for quite some time Eller had Bourque/Briere/Prust as linemates.

And then yesterday, what a surprise, he gets better linemates and plays better. Jeez...who could ever foresee this..
But just to make sure we could really make him come out of his ''slump'', Therrien made sure to give his linemates and more icetime to Briere on the PP.

I don't understand why there's even some debate about this. Every time Eller has been given competent forwards, he's produced. He doesn't even need two of them, but at least one. He dominated his opposition when he was paired with AK and Moen, he did so even more with Gallagher and Galchenyuk, and he was still producing decently with Galchenyuk and Prust.
It's pretty simple. Give him better linemates, and he will produce more. Don't expect him to turn it around with DB, Bourque and Prust. It won't happen.

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However after the Canadiens dropped a 4-3 decision against the Minnesota Wild on November 1st, a game in which they thoroughly dominated but were undone by a series of coaching mistakes (namely continuing to ice George Parros, who was on for 3 goals against in 4:48), Michel Therrien made the decision to change the Habs' system from a speed oriented transition game with a strong two-man forecheck and a preference for carrying the puck over the blueline, to a dump and chase, grind it out game, playing far more conservatively in the neutral zone.

Since that decision was made, the Montreal Canadiens have been outplayed at even strength 19 times in 33 games. Last season Montreal was outplayed at even strength just 17 times in 53 games, including the first month of this season, 22 times in 67 games. The statistical crash since November is absolutely shocking.
Who plays where is irrelevant.

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Thanks for the great link, and i think this guy is 100% right and i've said it before many times. Therrien's system changed lately but those changes results in a worst team than before.

Some players prefer that type of system (and with their stats, we know who) but for the team, it was the wrong choice!

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Thanks for the great link, and i think this guy is 100% right and i've said it before many times. Therrien's system changed lately but those changes results in a worst team than before.

Some players prefer that type of system (and with their stats, we know who) but for the team, it was the wrong choice!
It seemed to all go haywire when Therrien made it his decision and prerogative to do everything possible to get Desharnais going.

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People are being too soft on Eller. Yes he contributes defensively, but he should be putting up better numbers.
That's an interesting comment coming from you...Considering how much you've defended DD in the past (if I'm not mistaken).

Do you feel DD should be contributing more defensively?

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