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01-26-2014, 06:27 PM
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Just heard Eakins' inteview with Stauffer on podcast from Thursday.

Very insightful stuff and I gained some respect for him. I do believe he has a plan and isn't some bumbling fool like some on this board have made him out to be.

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01-27-2014, 02:55 PM
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Not sure if this was posted, but I thought it was decent. Willis compares Eakins to Krueger to Renney.

http://oilersnation.com/2014/1/22/comparing-coaches



Warning: He uses advanced stats.
Jonathon Willis is exactly the type of writer I love to slam because of "advanced stats" all the time to my friends. His entire view on things are based off a boxscore when he should be watching the game on his tv.

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Jonathon Willis is exactly the type of writer I love to slam because of "advanced stats" all the time to my friends. His entire view on things are based off a boxscore when he should be watching the game on his tv.
What's with the automatic assumption that someone who uses advanced stats doesn't actually watch the sport?

I don't get it.

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01-27-2014, 07:06 PM
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What's with the automatic assumption that someone who uses advanced stats doesn't actually watch the sport?

I don't get it.
Actually I think they watch the game too much and sometimes over think things they are trying to solve.

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01-28-2014, 05:22 PM
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That my friend is how you hire competent staff for a multimillion dollar franchise in an industry that demand results.
Agree with everything except the above, the Industry may demand results, but the Oilers are an Outlier, as in the fan base continues to sell-out every home game and there is a waiting list for season tickets. Many season ticket holders have stated that they would not renew, but they fear that because of the waiting list they may never be able to buy tickets again, therefore they want to hang on to the tickets, because you know, the good times are just a few trades away

What a load of BS, any other market (Except Toronto, whom are even more sheep like than us) changes would have come long ago.

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01-28-2014, 05:51 PM
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I know his knee is braced .
That I did not know,

"Hey Taylor, the season is lost, you have a sic long term deal, I got a great idea! Lets play you heavy minutes every meaningless game, maybe we can really make sure you have to wear that brace everyday for the rest of your life, I would rather ruin your career then have the embarressment of you asking for a trade" (Oil Mgmt)

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01-28-2014, 05:57 PM
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How about out chancing?
We miss the net on our chances (does that still count as a chance?), and 100 shots per game are not going to get you results if the goalie can see all of them, or if your players are consistantly hitting the goalies chest

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Jonathon Willis is exactly the type of writer I love to slam because of "advanced stats" all the time to my friends. His entire view on things are based off a boxscore when he should be watching the game on his tv.
Good lord.

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That I did not know,

"Hey Taylor, the season is lost, you have a sic long term deal, I got a great idea! Lets play you heavy minutes every meaningless game, maybe we can really make sure you have to wear that brace everyday for the rest of your life, I would rather ruin your career then have the embarressment of you asking for a trade" (Oil Mgmt)
He played our top guys wayyyyy too much all year.

Now that we are actually giving our fourth line a fair shake what happens? We win a few games.

Not sure if the strategy is finally clicking, the addition of Hendricks, or just the fact that Hall isn't getting ran into the ground but our forwards have been getting progressively more responsible in the last month.

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01-29-2014, 06:14 PM
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He played our top guys wayyyyy too much all year.

Now that we are actually giving our fourth line a fair shake what happens? We win a few games.

Not sure if the strategy is finally clicking, the addition of Hendricks, or just the fact that Hall isn't getting ran into the ground but our forwards have been getting progressively more responsible in the last month.
I think its because we have some stability right now.

All year Eakins has been changing it up so much. Dont know why Hall RNH Eberle havent been playing together all season. Why was Perron on the 3rd line for so long after he was so hot?

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Great article on coaching

http://blues.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=703469

A few great things in this article

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Hitchcock spent a good deal of time studying the great Edmonton Oilers of the 1980s, teams that won the Stanley Cup five times in seven seasons, beginning in 1984. He tried, in many ways, to get his team to emulate the lessons he learned from that dynasty.

Hitchcock finished 15-23-5 in a 43-game relief stint with the Stars that first season. It was quite the reality check for someone who had nothing but success at the minor-league level.

"When I went to Dallas in January of '96, I thought I was ready and I got the biggest wake-up call in my life," Hitchcock said. "I coached from January until April and I never felt more overwhelmed in my life. I felt that everything that I had learned was from watching the Edmonton Oilers play and watching their practices and watching the way they had played the game. It's the same system that I had in junior, the same system that was in the International League. That didn't work at the NHL level for whatever reason."

Hitchcock would turn to a pair of trusted allies understanding change was in order.

"I don't think I would have survived in this League without the help of Rick Wilson and Doug Jarvis," Hitchcock said of his assistants with the Stars. "Those two guys, who had years of experience in the NHL both as players and as coaches, convinced me there was a different way you had to win in the NHL. We spent the summer together. We spent a lot of time together and they showed me a different way to play. It was more the Montreal Canadiens way. Doug had played for Montreal, Rick had played 20 games at Montreal, and there was a way that Montreal had played in the '70s and early '80s [that yielded six Stanley Cup championships].

"They convinced me, based on our personnel in Dallas, that this was the way to have long-term success. I really listened to those guys because I really felt like I was out of my element; what I wanted to have happen wasn't even close. We were giving up way too many scoring chances and not having very much success. That really changed my coaching career. It really impacted the way I thought. I think it's affected me to this day in a positive way."

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02-03-2014, 12:18 PM
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What's with the automatic assumption that someone who uses advanced stats doesn't actually watch the sport?

I don't get it.
One has to go back a bit for some of that. For the Stats crowd saying Horcoff was one of the best Centers in the game and stuff like that. The kind of statements that are not only non-intuitive but that suggested somebody that doesn't watch the game of hockey and is reliant on spreadsheets instead.

Some of the eggheads brought it on themselves by trying to make a lot of bold non-intuitive takes and statements. Indeed it seemed half the time they were trying to look for these angles where they considered some of the most ordinary players the best.

The approach seemed designed to "show up" standard viewers of the game with moneyball type attempts and derivation.

Which we know since that advanced stats have done little to accurately define hockey whereas stop/start baseball with set defined plays was much more susceptible to being broken down through advanced stats.

The first error was in thinking hockey would be so easily tamed by paint by numbers.

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02-03-2014, 12:24 PM
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I feel like Eakins is honestly overwhelmed with this team and is making tons of mistakes because of it.

He has done a lot of stupid things but I feel like he is trying to figure things out. After the rough start it seems like he is just trying a bunch of things, perhaps to see what would work for next season. Maybe overplaying our stars to try and help them develop faster perhaps? I'm not quite sure.

I'd say if he fails hard the first 20 next season, let him go

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02-03-2014, 12:26 PM
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If he had a couple of excellent vet hockey men as assistants like Hitch did in that article I may hold out some wee bit of hope for him. He doesn't. He'll be gone before mid season next year and Mact will be pulling the tongues off of mascots once again.

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I feel like Eakins is honestly overwhelmed with this team and is making tons of mistakes because of it.

He has done a lot of stupid things but I feel like he is trying to figure things out. After the rough start it seems like he is just trying a bunch of things, perhaps to see what would work for next season. Maybe overplaying our stars to try and help them develop faster perhaps? I'm not quite sure.

I'd say if he fails hard the first 20 next season, let him go
If people go back long enough I was freaking out that Eakins arrived here to start his duties about a week or two before TC. I thought that was bizarre and bordering on dereliction of duty. I knew he had a ton of work to get even remotely up to speed and learning curve and get to know the team, players, org. Apparently he grossly overestimated his ability to do all of these things and this evident even in his statements that he would know all the players, exactly what approach they need within weeks and before the season started.

This guy was in so over his head that the statements started to change and him uttering things like he can't believe how much he has to get done in a day. That the days aren't long enough, didn't realize the challenges were this severe etc.

Its on Eakins, entirely, that he's overwhelmed. He did nothing close to the kind of homework he needed to do.

Lets differentiate something else. Hitchcock quickly realized and knew what approach would or wouldn't work. Eakins sacrificed a quarter of our season (at least) troubleshooting a failboat swarm system. Something he could've realized wasn't going to work in the first place.

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Great article on coaching

http://blues.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=703469

A few great things in this article
I forgot that Dallas was in the gutter the year before they finished 2nd in the west and got upset by the Oilers. Quite an amazing turnaround with a lot of the same players. Really shows you the effect coaching can have on a team. Too bad we are getting the opposite effect.

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Great article on coaching

http://blues.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=703469

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That really is a great article and I really hope Eakins realizes that whatever he tried in the Marlies, will not work in the NHL especially with the core players and current make-up of this team.

In all honesty, if Eakins can figure it out, I don't mind him sticking around but I'm afraid it is too late for him as he's already lost this team.

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Again, this upcoming Olympic break is a great time to fire the Ego and get in an experienced coach and new assistants... early start on trying to turn this team around for next season.

The 3 week break and the last 25 games could basically be an extended training camp to get the new coach's systems in place and they wouldn't be starting from scratch and struggling next season once again.

Will it happen... no... makes too much sense.

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In all honesty, if Eakins can figure it out, I don't mind him sticking around but I'm afraid it is too late for him as he's already lost this team.
There's no evidence of that. At least not according to the players themselves.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sport...755/story.html

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I feel like Eakins is honestly overwhelmed with this team and is making tons of mistakes because of it.

He has done a lot of stupid things but I feel like he is trying to figure things out. After the rough start it seems like he is just trying a bunch of things, perhaps to see what would work for next season. Maybe overplaying our stars to try and help them develop faster perhaps? I'm not quite sure.

I'd say if he fails hard the first 20 next season, let him go
The thing that bothers me the most about your final statement is how many people are so eager and willing to write off next season in the hope that what were seeing from Eakins this year is an anomaly. Most of the people that are suggesting that he should get 20 or 30 games next year don't really seem to think anything will really be different but that the team somehow just owes it to him. We saw this year how quickly and early in the year a season can be lost and people are willing to just let it happen again. I know this team has more issues than coaching but it's pretty obvious that it is ONE of the big problems. I just don't get the logic.

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Wow Tencer just tweeted this

@dantencer: Toronto Marlies PP rankings /30 last 4 seasons:

09/10: 28th
10/11: 25th
11/12: 27th
12/13: 19th

They were 2nd in 08/09 and 8th this year.

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Wow Tencer just tweeted this

@dantencer: Toronto Marlies PP rankings /30 last 4 seasons:

09/10: 28th
10/11: 25th
11/12: 27th
12/13: 19th

They were 2nd in 08/09 and 8th this year.
Interesting, and, having watched Eakins in action this season, it comes as no surprise that he obtained such poor results. With every passing day, it becomes more and more clear that Eakins is in over his head.

Talks a good game, but doesn't have the brains to back it up.

I wonder if MacT did any research at all before hiring this clown?

Let's not forget that MacT had an epiphany to draft Nurse while taking a leak.

It wouldn't surprise me if he had the brainwave to hire Eakins while taking a dump.

Total impulsive hire, and all we can do is sit back and marvel at how much damage Eakins has done and will do to this team before MacT mans up and admits his mistake.

Can't wait till he gets F-I-R-E-D!

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Let's not forget that MacT had an epiphany to draft Nurse while taking a leak.
That's so utterly ridiculous it almost sounds true. Only MacT and the Oilers would be classless enough to talk about something like that.

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That's so utterly ridiculous it almost sounds true. Only MacT and the Oilers would be classless enough to talk about something like that.
Well, I can't state for certain what occurred in the men's room at the draft ...

We know MacT was in there; we know Nurse's grandfather was in there; we know they met, and we know this encounter was a factor in convincing MacT that Nurse was our guy.

MacT has repeated this story several times ...

... but perhaps he's just trying to entertain.

Anyhoo, the Nurse pick looks good, so it will be interesting to see what kind of story MacT can come up with next year in order to top this one.

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Well, I can't state for certain what occurred in the men's room at the draft ...

We know MacT was in there; we know Nurse's grandfather was in there; we know they met, and we know this encounter was a factor in convincing MacT that Nurse was our guy.

MacT has repeated this story several times ...

... but perhaps he's just trying to entertain.

Anyhoo, the Nurse pick looks good, so it will be interesting to see what kind of story MacT can come up with next year in order to top this one.
For those of us not in the know, care to share what the story is?

I like Nurse, FWIW.

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