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03-23-2014, 12:03 PM
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Eakins was mainly livid cause his Harry Rosen suit got wet. In 4 years hes back to Moores and for a metrosexual guy like him thats the only thing keeping him up at night.





One of the dumbest things I have seen on HF (And I've said some dumb things)

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People complain about a lack of emotion from Eakins, he shows it, now he's a jackass. Taylor needed to be embarrassed last night. I'm sick of hearing this crap like star players are babies that need to be coddled. THAT is the problem here in Edmonton, those kids are treated like they can do no wrong in this city. Once they are actually held responsible, maybe **** can get moving. Eakins isn't going to help by any means, because he's not a great coach systems coach, but I have no problem with him yelling at his star players when they deserve it.
The issue is that the only time he's shown emotion is when his suit gets wet. The a$#-chewing and benching was about the water bottle, not about the play. And even if he somehow justifies the benching as Hall's terrible coverage, it's obvious the message given was "who do you think you are getting drops of water on me, you're benched!"

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People complain about a lack of emotion from Eakins, he shows it, now he's a jackass. Taylor needed to be embarrassed last night. I'm sick of hearing this crap like star players are babies that need to be coddled. THAT is the problem here in Edmonton, those kids are treated like they can do no wrong in this city. Once they are actually held responsible, maybe **** can get moving. Eakins isn't going to help by any means, because he's not a great coach systems coach, but I have no problem with him yelling at his star players when they deserve it.
Eakins should be directing his emotion at the on ice product, whether it be bad calls, cheap shots from opposing players, etc..... not throwing a towel at his own players. When MacT got mad he pulled Harvey the Hounds tongue out, when Lowe was mad he threw gum at Tyson Nash, Ron Low yelled at the Fat Man (Hitchcock).....Eakins, throws a towel at Hall. Yeesh!

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The difference being one is frustrated about losing 8-1 to their provincial rival while the other is frustrated that he got water on his suit.
Are you sure? Maybe Hall was frustrated because he got another deserved minus.

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03-23-2014, 12:19 PM
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The issue is that the only time he's shown emotion is when his suit gets wet. The a$#-chewing and benching was about the water bottle, not about the play. And even if he somehow justifies the benching as Hall's terrible coverage, it's obvious the message given was "who do you think you are getting drops of water on me, you're benched!"
Eakins would have never even made the AHL coaching ranks if he was that full of himself. I'd say it is far more likely that Hall got benched for A) acting like a kid, and getting mad a tossing things around and B) Firing back at the coach when he was being admonished for it. When you play hockey, if your coach is yelling at you, you just look forward and take it. It's the way it is, and the way it's always been. The fact that coaches these days are actively avoiding yelling at their players because they are afraid of how they'll react is pathetic.

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03-23-2014, 12:31 PM
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Eakins would have never even made the AHL coaching ranks if he was that full of himself. I'd say it is far more likely that Hall got benched for A) acting like a kid, and getting mad a tossing things around and B) Firing back at the coach when he was being admonished for it. When you play hockey, if your coach is yelling at you, you just look forward and take it. It's the way it is, and the way it's always been. The fact that coaches these days are actively avoiding yelling at their players because they are afraid of how they'll react is pathetic.
I agree 100% with you. That being said I also think Eakins is a complete tool.

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Have to say I really appreciate some non vested out of town opinion on this.Because the below posts capture what Eakins actually looks like unencumbered by Oilers related glasses.
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Hope you guys don't mind an outside chiming in, but after watching the video of Eakins freak out over a little water, I can honestly say I have never seen a more juvenile display from an NHL head coach.

I've seen coaches embarrass themselves and look stupid and petty, but usually it has to do with hockey or something actually worthy of being angry over.

Also, he should get a haircut. Every time he flips his hair he looks like kid who won a contest to be an NHL coach for a day.
I've said similar things here. lol at the haircut comment, well done.

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The problem isn't that Eakins had a problem with what Hall did. That is his call, and even if you disagree with him that what Hall did was bad, it isn't the issue.

But why the theatrics? Why the over-the-top, cartoonish shaking of his arms and switching of coats. He barely got any water on him.

Act like a coach. Eakins looked like a clown.
This guy is often about the theatrics. You wouldn't believe the youtube moments behind the bench if you saw them. Half the time I'm thinking this guy is more suited to TV or Shakespearean drama. Needs to be said as well is this is what Eakins does in front of the cameras. He even stated yesterday theres been lots of these moments and some captured, some not.

The whole thing is really childish because Hall is expressing his frustration towards an inanimate object, a water bottle. Eakins and Acton are both back there acting like blood is flying or something. With Actons expression resembling a character from the muppet show. While Eakins is preening his jacket and acting like some personal slight has occurred. With Eakins apparently lecturing Hall about look my jacket. I'd love to know what exactly was stated.
But as mentioned Halls action was directed at a water bottle. Eakins action was directed at Hall. One of these people is supposed to be a mature, responsible leader.

Eakins had every opportunity to choose whatever reaction he wanted to Hall there. He choose the weakest emotion, anger. He could've chosen to diffuse it in the moment, comment, "do I need an umbrella here" and have a talk about it after with Hall. The way it was handled by Eakins was immature. So he's telling Hall to control his emotions by not controlling his own emotions. Got it coach, double standard.

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I agree 100% with you. That being said I also think Eakins is a complete tool.
I agree with that to, I'm not an Eakins fan, haven't been from day 1. I think Kreuger would have done a lot better.

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I agree with that to, I'm not an Eakins fan, haven't been from day 1. I think Kreuger would have done a lot better.
I'm not so sure about that. Krueger had the special teams going and nothing else.

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Eakins would have never even made the AHL coaching ranks if he was that full of himself. I'd say it is far more likely that Hall got benched for A) acting like a kid, and getting mad a tossing things around and B) Firing back at the coach when he was being admonished for it. When you play hockey, if your coach is yelling at you, you just look forward and take it. It's the way it is, and the way it's always been. The fact that coaches these days are actively avoiding yelling at their players because they are afraid of how they'll react is pathetic.
You can go back to my posts on the subject in August. Because I detected that Eakins got the job because he is full of himself.

In terms of interviewing this is the candidate that managed to snow their way into the position. Which I stated at the time. It was that obvious that this blind nut found a squirrel..

That MacT didn't spot a charlatan means his dork glasses don't work visually speaking either.

This is the presentable look good candidate that said all the right things and charmed his way into the position. The arrogance is not a sideshow attribute, its front center, and why the guy managed to get the job in the first place.

I wonder how many Oiler players fully realize the Oil got duped on this one as well which has left the players having to take direction from a tool all year.

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I'm not so sure about that. Krueger had the special teams going and nothing else.
He also had the players feeling like a team. We really only had one horrible stretch last year, before the 1-9 run, we were in playoff contention. It was his first year as an NHL coach, and he improved the teams result from the year before, there was no reason he should have been let go.

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You forgot:

6. Massive, widespread organizational incompetence manifesting in an inability to critically self-assess or proactively address shortcomings.
This. They will finish 29th (ahead of a team that has gutted itself) and not a single member of the management/coaching staff will be changed.

Training staff beware.

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I'm not so sure about that. Krueger had the special teams going and nothing else.
Krueger miles better yes so was the guy across from Dallas last night in a SC winner Bob Hartley. Why do we not hire winners? hope Eakins can turn this around but beginning to question him lots

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Regardless of Watergate, the Oilers really don't need a sideshow going on the bench. This offseason, we're presumably going to try get better (for real this time).

Any FA worth a damn or trade target with a NTC, and with the added sideshow to our overall record, and we're just making it tougher on ourselves to dig out of this hole.

Hall may be at 100% fault, but Eakins needs to be wiser. We don't need more negative PR for a franchise that is drowning in it.

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He also had the players feeling like a team. We really only had one horrible stretch last year, before the 1-9 run, we were in playoff contention. It was his first year as an NHL coach, and he improved the teams result from the year before, there was no reason he should have been let go.
You and I both know if the season was 82 games we'd probably be staring at Seth Jones on our blue line.

Krueger also didn't have the weight of Dubnyk playing like absolute garbage.

And the 1-9 run is exactly why I don't think Krueger is leagues better than Eakins. They had the playoffs in sight and completely went into the tank, where many games they couldn't score more than a single goal.

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I'm not so sure about that. Krueger had the special teams going and nothing else.
Its answers like this that always has me shaking my head and thinking about just how clueless some of our fan base really is.

Can you honestly sit here and say that the line-up of players last season was better than this season? Are you forgetting that this years roster is healthier then last seasons roster?

It's not like Eakins has anything going for himself either..matter of fact, this team looks worse in every facet under him.

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Its answers like this that always has me shaking my head and thinking about just how clueless some of our fan base really is.

Can you honestly sit here and say that the line-up of players last season was better than this season? Are you forgetting that this years roster is healthier then last seasons roster?
The roster this year is better, yes. But Krueger had .921 sv% Dubnyk, not .889sv% Dubnyk. Funny what a little bad goaltending will do.

Let's not kid ourselves people. What we saw down the stretch was the real Oilers. The same lifeless team that doesn't give a crap that we saw last night.

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Even though we were losing last year it seemed the players were more upbeat. And it's not like we were embarrassed like this.

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I dont get to watch every Oiler game but I have watched quite a few of them and some really bad games as well like the loss to Detroit on HNIC or the Blues where the first jersey incident took place. Last night was the first time I have ever seen Eakins mad on the bench. Usually when the Oilers are getting blown out he just stands there and does nothing but as soon as some water hits his hair he gets fired up. What a joke

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Eakins reminds me of the bad guy from Dodgeball.
We'll now for sure if a year from now he weighs 300 lbs and he's surrounded by empty boxes of junk food.

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Its answers like this that always has me shaking my head and thinking about just how clueless some of our fan base really is.

Can you honestly sit here and say that the line-up of players last season was better than this season? Are you forgetting that this years roster is healthier then last seasons roster?
You are just forgetting what it was like under Krueger. For most of that season, it was really a situation where the rebuild looked like it had taken a step backwards. People's comments were very similar to how they are talking about Eakins now. Eakins' health and physical dedication BS = Krueger's motivational speech BS. Kreuger's team was absolutely paralyzed on many, many nights. Kreuger fostered a lot of bad habits as well, particularly in his wingers. This was well documented.

It was a 48 game season. We finished 7th place with 19 wins. 29th place Colorado had 16 wins. A short hot streak at the end was the main difference. Our improved place in the standings was encouraging but in general the season was a huge let down just like this one.

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Ok so hypothetically lets say we do fire Eakins, who are some options for replacements?

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Ok so hypothetically lets say we do fire Eakins, who are some options for replacements?


Does it really matter at this point?

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Ok so hypothetically lets say we do fire Eakins, who are some options for replacements?
Laviolette? Who else is available? Someone WITH coaching experience at this level.

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Regardless of Watergate, the Oilers really don't need a sideshow going on the bench. This offseason, we're presumably going to try get better (for real this time).

Any FA worth a damn or trade target with a NTC, and with the added sideshow to our overall record, and we're just making it tougher on ourselves to dig out of this hole.

Hall may be at 100% fault, but Eakins needs to be wiser. We don't need more negative PR for a franchise that is drowning in it.
Now if this is somebody else, not Eakins, but Sather, I would suspect that he blew it out of proportion so that the waterbottle, not the game, became the thing that got the focus. A distraction in other words.

Inadvertently, and even accidentally what Eakins did may even have some blessings. Not that I agree with his actions but that he might have stumbled into a deflection.

He shouldn't have lasted this long. This is dead man walking. lol at Acton looking over at Eakins and deciding to be upset, wiping off his jacket, and acting with similar disdain. If the camera panned to Bucky and Smith they'd probably be doing the same thing. If they had a spotter in the press box they'd be patting their jackets down as well. I mention this because its pretty evident an us against them dynamic has occurred between players and coaches. With lockstep actions. Perrons actions demonstrate that as well.

This is possibly indication of the management front line chasm.

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