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01-18-2014, 03:45 PM
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If he sucks the last couple months it makes a difference
It also makes a difference if he goes lights out.

This is another example of people complaining for the sake of complaining. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this deal.

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You wait till the off-season to see how he plays the rest of the season to get a larger sample size and know more about how he'll play. It's not that complicated and there's really no reason against waiting until later in the year to sign him.
All this does is send the team into another summer of uncertainty. As I said above, if he plays well for the rest of the year, you're not getting him for $4.1M/year. You either pay more or walk away. If his play is inconsistent, you pay a little less, or you walk away. That's not ideal for now or the summer.

Signing him now removes Mason's uncertainty of what will happen the closer he gets to July 1st (and you know he's thinking about it), just in time for a playoff drive that puts his focus back on the ice.

The contract isn't an unmanageable length, nor is it going to break the bank.

Too much pessimism for a deal that's fine for both sides.

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01-18-2014, 03:58 PM
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I think people need to realize our team defense is the problem and not the goalie so much. I mean look at Emery behind Chicago... we could have the best goalie from any team and the outcomes wouldn't be all that different.

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I would be upset too if this were a long term deal or if Mason was getting up there in years or if he had gotten an NTC/NMC or if it was a ridiculous overpayment or if this signing hampered the team going forward but none of these are the case.

People are overreacting but that's to be expected of Flyers fans or HF posters in general I guess.

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01-18-2014, 04:02 PM
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All this does is send the team into another summer of uncertainty. As I said above, if he plays well for the rest of the year, you're not getting him for $4.1M/year. You either pay more or walk away. If his play is inconsistent, you pay a little less, or you walk away. That's not ideal for now or the summer.

Signing him now removes Mason's uncertainty of what will happen the closer he gets to July 1st (and you know he's thinking about it), just in time for a playoff drive that puts his focus back on the ice.

The contract isn't an unmanageable length, nor is it going to break the bank.

Too much pessimism for a deal that's fine for both sides.
Similarly to what I said before, myself as well as others would take one free agency of potential uncertainty over committing to what is, right now, three and a half years of uncertainty because it definitely is uncertain where Mason is heading in his career.

If contract negotiations or whatever bother Mason that much it doesn't explain his career in Columbus and it's also not the kind of extreme mental fragility I would want to be starting in goal for us.

I'm not being pessimistic either. I said before it's "whatever" (in my first post on the subject no less) because the length and money were small enough to not get upset over it, but there's definitely problems with what was done here regardless of the outcome.

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01-18-2014, 04:04 PM
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I think people need to realize our team defense is the problem and not the goalie so much. I mean look at Emery behind Chicago... we could have the best goalie from any team and the outcomes wouldn't be all that different.
Yea I thought about that too. Emery goes 17-1 and people are sad to see him leave Chicago. Here he is slower than molasses laterally and looks suspect.

That said mason getting a .910 sv percent this year on this team is impressive.

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Yea I thought about that too. Emery goes 17-1 and people are sad to see him leave Chicago. Here he is slower than molasses laterally and looks suspect.

That said mason getting a .910 sv percent this year on this team is impressive.
I don't remember Chicago fans being overly fond of him or missing him. In fact I remember some on here warning Flyers fans that his stats were misleading. I remember some being appreciative of the results he got, but that's about it.

Another case is Leighton. There were certainly some fans on here that thought he was awesome and a capable NHL goalie because of the stats he was putting up for a bit and how far we got with him in net, but there was also a very vocal bunch that knew that those stats were misleading and that he wasn't capable.

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Flyers have always liked Mason, and thought he was a potential starter even after his mental collapse in Columbus. Yes, he has had two bad months since his hot start, but the Flyers front office is obviously happy with his play and his character.

If he plays lights out you are saving yourself a lot of money per year on the cap. He showed how he can play, and this is not the same team or player that was on Columbus. The deal is fair for both sides.

Also, people thinking about free agency goalies, you would have more mad about those contracts then the one just handed out. A goalie like Miller, Hiller or so on was going to cost you much more against the cap and even longer in years.

Now we just need to upgrade the defense in front of him. We know how he can play, I think that is also the reason why Schenn is not signed right now. He is our biggest trade chip.

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Myself as well as many others would have gladly paid up another one mil or so potentially (since he doesn't have the track record to demand anything too large so he doesn't have a lot of leverage either way) if it meant more assurance that he's capable of being an actual NHL starter.
Well, maybe you, but I have a very strong feeling there would have been a lot of people who would have been opposed to that as well. They would have played the ''He had 1 good year! 5 Million per is way too much!'' card. You can't win with some people.

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01-18-2014, 04:18 PM
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Varlamov, Semyon G COL 25 $2,833,333 2014 (RFA)
Lindback, Anders G TBL 25 $1,800,000 2014 (RFA)
Reimer, James G TOR 25 $1,800,000 2014 (RFA)
Nilsson, Anders G NYI 23 $1,750,000 2014 (RFA)
Raanta, Antti G CHI 24 $1,400,000 2014 (RFA)
Svedberg, Niklas G BOS 24 $1,000,000 2014 (RFA)
Heeter, Cal G PHI 25 $950,000 2014 (RFA)
Kuemper, Darcy G MIN 23 $900,000 2014 (RFA)
Cannata, Joe G VAN 24 $900,000 2014 (RFA)
Millan, Kieran G COL 24 $875,000 2014 (RFA)
Patterson, Kent G COL 24 $875,000 2014 (RFA)
Bobkov, Igor G ANA 23 $870,000 2014 (RFA)
Lehner, Robin G OTT 22 $870,000 2014 (RFA)
Ortio, Joni G CGY 22 $812,500 2014 (RFA)
Missiaen, Jason G NYR 23 $750,000 2014 (RFA)
Hackett, Matthew G BUF 23 $715,000 2014 (RFA)
Knapp, Connor G BUF 23 $712,500 2014 (RFA)
Stajcer, Scott G NYR 22 $700,000 2014 (RFA)
Roy, Olivier G CGY 22 $700,000 2014 (RFA)
Bachman, Richard G EDM 26 $625,000 2014 (RFA)
Stalock, Alex G SJS 26 $625,000 2014 (RFA)
Delmas, Peter G MTL 23 $608,333 2014 (RFA)
Sateri, Harri G SJS 24 $600,000 2014 (RFA)
Hutchinson, Michael G WPG 23 $600,000 2014 (RFA)
Helenius, Riku G TBL 25 $600,000 2014 (RFA)
Poulin, Kevin G NYI 23 $577,500 2014 (RFA)
Tokarski, Dustin G MTL 24 $575,000 2014 (RFA)
Pasquale, Edward G WPG 23 $575,000 2014 (RFA)
Clermont, Maxime G NJD 22 $572,500 2014 (RFA)
Berube, Jean-Francois G LAK 22 $552,500 2014 (RFA)
Kinkaid, Keith G NJD 24 $550,000 2014 (RFA)
Murphy, Mike G CAR 25 $550,000 2014 (RFA)
Smith, Jeremy G CLB 24 $550,000 2014 (RFA)
Care to elaborate on this?

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01-18-2014, 04:19 PM
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No no, we are just going to offer sheet all of them until one team allows us to poach their goalie of course.

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No no, we are just going to offer sheet all of them until one team allows us to poach their goalie of course.
I see one goalie on there who's a clear upgrade over Mason & that's Varlamov who's having a great season but has had his ups & downs in this league so far in his career. We would have to pay significantly & give assets just to pry him out of Colorado.


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01-18-2014, 04:29 PM
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Ha ha. I was going to reply to this thread then decided to delete it but hit reply before I could delete it all. The list is restricted free agent goalies for 2014.


Here's the unrestricted goalies for 2014


Player Pos Team Age Cap Hit Expiry
Miller, Ryan G BUF 33 $6,250,000 2014 (UFA)
Brodeur, Martin G NJD 41 $4,500,000 2014 (UFA)
Hiller, Jonas G ANA 31 $4,500,000 2014 (UFA)
Halak, Jaroslav G STL 28 $3,750,000 2014 (UFA)
Thomas, Tim G FLA 39 $3,750,000 2014 (UFA)
Dubnyk, Devan G NAS 27 $3,500,000 2014 (UFA)
Nabokov, Evgeni G NYI 38 $3,250,000 2014 (UFA)
Bryzgalov, Ilya G EDM 33 $2,266,234 2014 (UFA)
Khabibulin, Nikolai G CHI 41 $2,000,000 2014 (UFA)
Vokoun, Tomas G PIT 37 $2,000,000 2014 (UFA)
Elliott, Brian G STL 28 $1,800,000 2014 (UFA)
Emery, Ray G PHI 31 $1,650,000 2014 (UFA)
Gustavsson, Jonas G DET 29 $1,500,000 2014 (UFA)
Giguere, Jean-Sebastien G COL 36 $1,500,000 2014 (UFA)
Berra, Reto G CGY 27 $1,381,250 2014 (UFA)
Clemmensen, Scott G FLA 36 $1,200,000 2014 (UFA)
Labarbera, Jason G CHI 34 $1,000,000 2014 (UFA)
MacDonald, Joey G CGY 33 $925,000 2014 (UFA)
Khudobin, Anton G CAR 27 $800,000 2014 (UFA)
Greiss, Thomas G PHX 27 $750,000 2014 (UFA)
Nilstorp, Cristopher G DAL 29 $725,000 2014 (UFA)
Danis, Yann G PHI 32 $675,000 2014 (UFA)
Desjardins, Cedrick G TBL 28 $650,000 2014 (UFA)
Lawson, Nathan G OTT 30 $650,000 2014 (UFA)
Scrivens, Ben G EDM 27 $612,500 2014 (UFA)
Montoya, Al G WPG 28 $601,000 2014 (UFA)
Johnson, Chad G BOS 27 $600,000 2014 (UFA)
MacIntyre, Drew G TOR 30 $600,000 2014 (UFA)
McElhinney, Curtis G CLB 30 $600,000 2014 (UFA)
McKenna, Mike G CLB 30 $595,000 2014 (UFA)
Leggio, David G WAS 29 $550,000 2014 (UFA)
Hutton, Carter G NAS 28 $550,000 2014 (UFA)
Reiter, Ken G NYI 27 $550,000 2014 (UFA)
Peters, Justin G CAR 27 $537,500 2014 (UFA)

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Solid deal!
Bryzsaster has certainly had an affect on how Homer went into negotiations in respect to contract length/term.

If I remember it correctly, Marty Biron once asked for a 4M per contract years ago and he had not even been half the player Mason has been for us since joining the team...

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Well, maybe you, but I have a very strong feeling there would have been a lot of people who would have been opposed to that as well. They would have played the ''He had 1 good year! 5 Million per is way too much!'' card. You can't win with some people.
It's not like Mason has much leverage even if the rest of his season is good. Two months wouldn't change what he can get in free agency much, but it would definitely help us figure out where he's heading.

I sincerely doubt he gets 5 mil or more in free agency even if he puts up a .925 save percentage in the rest of this season. If someone is desperate enough to offer a guy as unproven and shaky as Mason that much money it wouldn't be for any length of time either. 5 mil is also only 900k more then he already just got. Like I said before, if it means more assurance with his level of play nobody is going to care about 900k. It's not like they don't have the cap space.

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Mase!! Deal could be better, could be worse... I think it's good and I'm sure it takes a load off his mind.

Im rejoicing about it, this is by far the best I've ever felt about goaltending in my tenure as a Flyers fan


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I like Mason and believe he has potential.

That said he hasn't earned a multi yr deal.

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If he sucks the last couple months it makes a difference
And if he steals a playoff round or two, then the cost is even higher and Garbage goes off the deep end. Like others have said and I agree, I think it's a happy medium for both player and team.

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If he plays like he did early, the Flyers probably have to pay him $5.5M/year or walk away.

If he puts up a 0.905 sv% for the rest of the year, the Flyers sign him for $3M/year or walk away.

The Flyers got a happy medium here, and removes summer uncertainty. I'm not fully on the Mason train, but things have been more positive now surrounding the goaltending situation than any time in recent memory. The team wants to win for him and that's not anything I've heard consistently in post-game interviews over the last few years.



My biggest concern with Mason is what's between his ears. I don't trust that he's over whatever caused him to lose confidence in Columbus. However, the talent has never been a question.

Leighton has little NHL talent and I never believed he had the confidence to succeed as a starter (he cried with joy when he was interviewed after the ECF, when the job was far from over).

I never would have signed Leighton, at all.
Mason is a more athletic goalie than Leighton, but what does that have to do with anything?

Michael Leighton 2.97 .901
Steve Mason 2.82 .906

He has been fairly Leightonesque in his career with nearly 3X's as many starts. If Mason is a .906 starter or worse the rest of the way does anyone want him starting next season let alone the next 3 at 4M a pop? If the answer is no Homer jumped the gun.

By the way you actually think he would be worth a 100% raise if he finishes .905 the rest of the way after taking a pay cut last year? What leverage does he have?

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Flyers have always liked Mason, and thought he was a potential starter even after his mental collapse in Columbus. Yes, he has had two bad months since his hot start, but the Flyers front office is obviously happy with his play and his character.
They were happy with play/character of a certain goalie they gave extension too in June of 2010

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Love the people complaining that this was too early of a signing. Gotta find something to complain about!

I personally thought it would be between $3.5-$4.0 million, but I also was going to guess 4-5 years. Can't really complain about the contract. If they waited until the end of the year the price could have gone up or down a couple hundred thousand so I guess you can complain that Homer lost out on the possibility of maybe possibly saving $300-$500k (while also avoiding the possibility of having to pay $300-500k more).

No complaints about the contract. Not the best in the world but not a bad one by any means, even though it was signed (gasp!) during the season. Just out of curiosity, when is it ok to sign a guy during the season? There are a lot of people upset that Giroux got his deal before it was necessary, now people are upset that Mason got signed before it was necessary. When is it ok?

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Love the people complaining that this was too early of a signing. Gotta find something to complain about!

I personally thought it would be between $3.5-$4.0 million, but I also was going to guess 4-5 years. Can't really complain about the contract. If they waited until the end of the year the price could have gone up or down a couple hundred thousand so I guess you can complain that Homer lost out on the possibility of maybe possibly saving $300-$500k (while also avoiding the possibility of having to pay $300-500k more).

No complaints about the contract. Not the best in the world but not a bad one by any means, even though it was signed (gasp!) during the season. Just out of curiosity, when is it ok to sign a guy during the season? There are a lot of people upset that Giroux got his deal before it was necessary, now people are upset that Mason got signed before it was necessary. When is it ok?
How about when the risk is minimized? Why is it so hard to apply critical thinking skills?

Mason is a restricted free agent and has little leverage. Teams are not going to be salivating to throw an offer sheet at him even if he finishes strongly.

While this isn't a franchise crippling risk, it is a risk nonetheless considering he has a track record of being a poor goalie and is once again in a stretch of playing poorly. If he finishes poorly who is going to trust him to be the starter the next 3 years? He doesn't sniff these numbers if his current trend continues.

I also don't think he gets a much larger contract if he finishes strongly given his track record of erratic play and the saturation of goalies on the market.

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If I remember it correctly, Marty Biron once asked for a 4M per contract years ago and he had not even been half the player Mason has been for us since joining the team...
Biron was offered 3x$4m but wanted $5m. At least that's what we heard around here.

It's pretty wrong what you are saying in regards to Biron, too.
He was a solid starter for us and got his career completely ruined by his agent after not accepting the Flyer's job.

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Welcome news. I think this is a smart gamble on Mason's potential.

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