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01-19-2014, 04:29 PM
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i agree with ducks nation, lovejoys passing is a major issue, he will turn a basic play into an icing or a turnover and in the playoffs those things WILL hurt you at some point. he puts fowler in bad positions and fowler is so talented he can work his way out of them alot, i would like a bigger guy next to cam in the playoffs, if we face LA or STL i think they'd wear them down

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01-19-2014, 04:33 PM
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Lets say we got a RHD some how..

Fowler RHD
Beauchemin Lovejoy
Allen Lindholm

good?

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01-19-2014, 05:02 PM
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Lovejoy is playing above his head, but like the icings and bad passes you can tell he'll get exposed in the playoffs. We need a tough physical dman for Fowler who can handle those minutes. Like above post has, the Vatman has played good but we need a more experienced physical guy in for the big show.

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01-19-2014, 05:11 PM
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How many times has a bad Lovjoy pass ended up in a goal? How many times have his icings led to goals? This argument is ridiculous. The way Fowler and Lovejoy play together is so important to the success of this team. They'll only be sharper come playoff time. This pairing hasn't been altered all season and in case anyone was wondering we're the best team in the league. What a joke.

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01-19-2014, 05:16 PM
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How many times has a bad Lovjoy pass ended up in a goal? How many times have his icings led to goals? This argument is ridiculous. The way Fowler and Lovejoy play together is so important to the success of this team. They'll only be sharper come playoff time. This pairing hasn't been altered all season and in case anyone was wondering we're the best team in the league. What a joke.
that's not the point, the point is it keeps tired guys on the ice when they shouldn't be, and can lead to penalties, or goals against. getzlaf injured himself last night in part, due to a lovejoy turnover. these things can't be ignored, in the playoffs this stuff matters, or have we all forgotten the shea weber goal? that was after an icing. that goal turned the series

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01-19-2014, 05:31 PM
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I think we have a shot with Fowler/Lovejoy but if we upgraded I would feel much more confident.

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01-19-2014, 05:35 PM
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that's not the point, the point is it keeps tired guys on the ice when they shouldn't be, and can lead to penalties, or goals against. getzlaf injured himself last night in part, due to a lovejoy turnover. these things can't be ignored, in the playoffs this stuff matters, or have we all forgotten the shea weber goal? that was after an icing. that goal turned the series
But the occasional icing or bad pass pales in comparison to the amount of good plays he makes. Why does everybody think the games suddenly changes in the playoffs? That all the good things people do will just stop because it's the playoffs. I remember how Lovejoy stepped up and was one our best defenseman in the playoffs. Do you think it's a coincidence that Fowler is having a great year with Lovejoy as his partner? I don't.

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01-19-2014, 05:36 PM
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But the occasional icing or bad pass pales in comparison to the amount of good plays he makes. Why does everybody think the games suddenly changes in the playoffs? That all the good things people do will just stop because it's the playoffs. I remember how Lovejoy stepped up and was one our best defenseman in the playoffs. Do you think it's a coincidence that Fowler is having a great year with Lovejoy as his partner? I don't.
but it's not occasional, it happens alot. lovejoy is a very good player until he has to handle the puck
i think alot of fowlers improvement can be attributed to being permanently on the left side, i doubt he'll all of a sudden suck at the olympics b/c lovejoy isn't there

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01-19-2014, 05:38 PM
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Icings last night by pairings on the ice (stats don't identify the culprit and I'm not that motivated to watch video)

First period - 3
28/55, 23/47, 23/47

Second period - 2
4/6, 23/47

Third period - 4
4/6, 28/55, 4/6, 4/6 (one of those last ones was by Winnik though) Allen would have had another if Perry hadn't busted his ass down the ice in the last 30 seconds.

That looks like 3 icings per pairing. I'm not sure how many of the other icings were from forwards though.

http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreport...4/PL020731.HTM

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01-19-2014, 05:40 PM
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But the occasional icing or bad pass pales in comparison to the amount of good plays he makes. Why does everybody think the games suddenly changes in the playoffs? That all the good things people do will just stop because it's the playoffs. I remember how Lovejoy stepped up and was one our best defenseman in the playoffs. Do you think it's a coincidence that Fowler is having a great year with Lovejoy as his partner? I don't.
I think you have it reversed...and I think age/experience/practicing/hardwork etc has more to do with Fowler getting better than playing with career journeyman Lovejoy.

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01-19-2014, 05:53 PM
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Icings last night by pairings on the ice (stats don't identify the culprit and I'm not that motivated to watch video)

First period - 3
28/55, 23/47, 23/47

Second period - 2
4/6, 23/47

Third period - 4
4/6, 28/55, 4/6, 4/6 (one of those last ones was by Winnik though) Allen would have had another if Perry hadn't busted his ass down the ice in the last 30 seconds.

That looks like 3 icings per pairing. I'm not sure how many of the other icings were from forwards though.

http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreport...4/PL020731.HTM
good work....i will take lovejoys "bad passes" over sami's.....lovejoys passes may result in icings but vatz has a tendency to kamikaze passes to guys.....give me icing over forced passes through the middle leading to turnover's or a pass that puts a player in a bad spot

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01-19-2014, 06:09 PM
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Lovejoy has an awful first pass and without Fowler likely would be playing a #6-7 role but you can't deny their chemistry together. I thought both looked off in the Chicago and St. Louis games but unless there's an affordable upgrade around I don't see why things would change.

I do think going into the postseason our defense will either make or break us. Either the young guys and Lovejoy keep playing as they have been and we have no issues or they get exposed a bit by teams that can focus on their inexperience/weaknesses over a 7 game grind.
That part is not really true. You're interjecting the perception of him when he was traded. Just because that was the only opportunity that he received in Pittsburgh, doesn't mean that was where his ceiling was.

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01-19-2014, 06:16 PM
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Every defenseman on this team has problems, and that includes Fowler, though some of you choose to overlook those. All that I see happening here is a handful of people cherry picking Lovejoy's mistakes and going to some slippery slope argument so that they don't actually have to justify their opinions with real evidence.

Hey, what if Getzlaf suddenly starts playing like he did in 2012? There have been a few games where his line has disappeared. We could get exposed in the playoffs if that happens. We need to trade for a power forward center just in case that happens. See, I can manufacture needs, too.

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01-19-2014, 06:26 PM
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Every defenseman on this team has problems, and that includes Fowler, though some of you choose to overlook those. All that I see happening here is a handful of people cherry picking Lovejoy's mistakes and going to some slippery slope argument so that they don't actually have to justify their opinions with real evidence.

Hey, what if Getzlaf suddenly starts playing like he did in 2012? There have been a few games where his line has disappeared. We could get exposed in the playoffs if that happens. We need to trade for a power forward center just in case that happens. See, I can manufacture needs, too.
Except Getzlaf is a career superstar with 1 down year.

and Lovejoy is a career journeyman with 1 good year.

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01-19-2014, 06:28 PM
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I'm not a fan of Lovejoy's icings, because I think they allow the opposing team more opportunities to possess the puck. I don't like seeing us have possession and then give it up.

Still, it's better than bad turnovers, and the rest of his game is rock solid. He sticks to his play, plays it well, and has pretty remarkable chemistry with Fowlef.

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01-19-2014, 06:29 PM
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Except Getzlaf is a career superstar with 1 down year.

and Lovejoy is a career journeyman with 1 good year.
So was Beauchemin at one point.

Sometimes a fresh start, and an opportunity, is all it takes.

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So was Beauchemin at one point.

Sometimes a fresh start, and an opportunity, is all it takes.
I can agree with that, but he has always been able to make simple passes. If you watch the video I posted its almost sad...Anyone should be able to make those tape to tape and it happens every game its not some new thing.

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So was Beauchemin at one point.

Sometimes a fresh start, and an opportunity, is all it takes.
Beauchemin has also has a bad habit of turning over the puck even in his best seasons, and I'm talking far worse than icings, yet for some reason there isn't a lot of talk that we need to replace him in those years, or this one for that matter.

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I can agree with that, but he has always been able to make simple passes. If you watch the video I posted its almost sad...Anyone should be able to make those tape to tape and it happens every game its not some new thing.
Every defenseman makes bad passes. And Lovejoy completes pretty much every pass he attempts. You're just singling out the name on the jersey again.

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but it's not occasional, it happens alot. lovejoy is a very good player until he has to handle the puck
i think alot of fowlers improvement can be attributed to being permanently on the left side, i doubt he'll all of a sudden suck at the olympics b/c lovejoy isn't there
Yes it is. Like Sojourn said, I'd much prefer him to ice the puck rather than turn it over. It's not like he's making a home run pass and missing. He's getting out of trouble. I will take that every time rather than him turning the puck over deep in his own end. Show me examples of how these icings have led to goals. This is such a petty thing to nitpick when this pair has been so good all year. I can assure you the coaching staff doesn't share your concern. Finding a new partner for Cam couldn't be less of a priority for this team.

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Yes it is. Like Sojourn said, I'd much prefer him to ice the puck rather than turn it over. It's not like he's making a home run pass and missing. He's getting out of trouble. I will take that every time rather than him turning the puck over deep in his own end. Show me examples of how these icings have led to goals. This is such a petty thing to nitpick when this pair has been so good all year. I can assure you the coaching staff doesn't share your concern. Finding a new partner for Cam couldn't be less of a priority for this team.
In your opinion maybe.

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In your opinion maybe.
It's an informed opinion. That's the difference. That has been Anaheim's most stable pairing, this season. Boudreau isn't exactly shy about breaking up lines that aren't working, yet for some reason that's the only pairing that he hasn't been tinkering with. Strange, it's almost like the coach shares that opinion.

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In your opinion maybe.
It's an educated opinion based on the fact that the coaching staff continues to keep that pairing together and puts them out there against the opponent's top lines. I know when things are this great we have to find things to nitpick for the sake of argument. But this isn't an issue. At all.

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How many times has a bad Lovjoy pass ended up in a goal? How many times have his icings led to goals? This argument is ridiculous. The way Fowler and Lovejoy play together is so important to the success of this team. They'll only be sharper come playoff time. This pairing hasn't been altered all season and in case anyone was wondering we're the best team in the league. What a joke.
Very rarely this season. Last playoffs however he was the guy who iced the puck in overtime of game 6. Arguably a series costing goal right there.

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We're not saying Lovejoy is bad. We just know BM is searching for a top 4 RHD probably for Fowler so we are discussing it. People need to not be so mad when evaluating a player's play.

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