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02-02-2014, 10:41 PM
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Its pretty tough to play decent D with 3 of your best players out (Wolfe, Harris and Von). I'm more bothered with how they lost, just a complete embarrassment to the city of Denver. That part is going to bother me for a long time. Its like we showed we don't belong in NY, not worthy of their obscene event and time.

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02-02-2014, 10:55 PM
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You're right. I think I only missed 2 or 3 games this whole season but I'm still relatively new to NFL football, if they knew they has issues at that position returning punts, why didn't they address it and acquire someone decent? I mean, didn't they have Welker and Decker subbing for Holliday later on in the season?
Welker muffed and fumbled a punt return in the very first game of the season if I remember correctly, Decker sometimes goes "full retard" (to quote Downey Jr. from "Tropic Thunder") on returns and Holliday, while explosive, thinks he can return everything.

That's the problem, Holliday knows he has really only one skill in the NFL, his speed, so he thinks that all his shortcomings can be overcome w/ that speed. When he's in the back half of the end-zone he needs to not return the kicks, because they're not likely to get past the 20. It was something that I thought the coaching staff would've sat down and had a long conversation w/ him about that, and they may have even done that because he wasn't returning stuff in the latter part of the season.

Needless to say, Holliday makes dumb decisions with the KR/PR stuff a lot of the times, but he also can break out and return it as well.

Here are some things that I will ALWAYS remember as going "WTF were they doing!?"

1) "The Snap". WTF was the Center doing!?

2) DT. WTF were you doing!? He played a lot of the game like he was scared to get hit and there were a NUMBER of times he would catch the ball and I'm screaming at the TV "Get the First Down!" because he would just need to go forward and instead he would try to side-step and either NOT get the 1st or just barely get it.

3) Decker and Julius didn't see much action and I think that hurt them.

4) The O-Line. WTF were you guys doing all game?

and finally

5) The Coaching Staff. WTF WERE YOU GUYS DOING ALL WEEK!? You had a WHOLE *********G WEEK to prepare for this game and it seems like the Broncos whimpered right out of the gate. Like I stated above, I hope at the very least JDR is GONE next year. I know he was without Von and Champ for most of the year, and Wolfe was in and out, but this was still a Defense that at the VERY LEAST should have been marginally better than they actually performed most of the year. Knighton was a definitely a nice pick-up, Ihenacho showed some mettle this year. I hated Fox's conservative style, but JDR was way frigging worse in his interim stint. Kick him to the curb and bring in someone else to run the Defense, can't be any worse.

That said, Wilson and the Seahawks came to play, they looked well-prepared and just took it straight to Denver. Sherman was really a non-factor though, I did smile at the fact that the "Best CB in the game" was pretty much taken out of the game by the Broncos. They made the other players beat them, and they did.

Wilson is definitely going to be a stud in this league, that much looks true.

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02-02-2014, 11:02 PM
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One announcer put it perfectly: There wasn't a single Bronco - offense, defense, special teams - who outplayed the guy opposite him.

But in the end, that was simply the worst Super Bowl in a couple of decades, the home team playing in the game notwithstanding. Simply an utter waste of time. Should have cleaned out my garage instead.

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02-02-2014, 11:13 PM
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Vegas has Denver as the favorite, tons of people had the Seahawks winning but this will go down as an epic choke job.
Books opened with Seattle as the favorite, but got hammered by square money immediately while sharp money kept buying back or the line would have gone over 3 easily. Everytime squares put money on Denver, the sharps kept buying it back which in a way doesn't make sense because if you're taking the dog you wait til the end when the line is typically higher. The take was probably over 100 million for all sportsbooks combined. And 70% of the bets were on Denver. I jumped all over Seattle when I heard that Brandon Lang had Denver and faded his prop bets and he again stunk in the super bowl going 2-11.


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02-02-2014, 11:16 PM
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That really sucked. I'm not even a Broncos fan, but to see a game that horrible... Blah.

At least the half time show was pretty good and Joe Namath in the pimp coat was funny.

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02-03-2014, 12:24 AM
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I'm not going sit here and give you my thoughts about the game, we all know what happened.

And I can assure you right now there are a bunch of players sitting in that locker room that are embarrassed a 100x more than any fan could ever be. Yeah they laid a stinker today and it sucks and it pisses me off, but they are still my team, and they had a hell of a year.

I'll leave it at this, some of the best advice I've ever received is very simple: 10% of life is what happens, the other 90% is how you react to it. Let's see what kind of players we have, there are 364 days until next years Super Bowl. It's time to man up, learn something from this and work harder or fade away.

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02-03-2014, 12:31 AM
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One of the worst SuperBowls ever. I feel bad.

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02-03-2014, 12:41 AM
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Didn't they fire the d coordinator from last year because of the ravens game? JDR is going to get the ax for this loss too? Lots of blame to go around. Maybe the team was overconfident. I sure know that broncos fans were. Biggest thing you could see early on was the desire of the seahawks. Broncos seemed to play like ok we can get out of this hole then it got out of hand and then really gave up.

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02-03-2014, 12:49 AM
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They were embarrassed off the field the last two seasons. The Baltimore debacle and the year Brady bent the Tebow team over. It's really the fans and the city holding the bag, not the players. How many of them are even going to be around in 2 years? Yes a championship is much more of a real achievement to the individual player and no doubt they are disappointed in their performance. But the legacy, the perception, the psyche of the entire fanbase and city is long, long left behind once those players are done on the field. We will have to wear this for the next 15 years or however long it takes to get to another Super Bowl.

JDR was the coordinator last season. The safety ruined the whole game. They had a chance at 8-0 but the offense couldn't execute. Nobody was cockier than Seattle and their fans, clearly with good reason.

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02-03-2014, 01:02 AM
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Window is closing. Champ is too slow and should be cut. Safeties need to be much more physical to punish tight ends and wr going over the middle. Probably could use two more corners too.

Fox is so overrated. He got to the super bowl with the panties with a really lucky jake delhomme throwing prayers that got answered and a decent defense. Broncos should have fired Fox and kept McCoy.

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02-03-2014, 01:11 AM
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Gonna respond to both of your posts.

Don't see how Peyton is at fault on the Safety, the Center snapped the ball too early. When you have a QB like Peyton, who's known for changing plays, you don't snap the ball early. I place the blame on him entirely.

The O-Line was down right terrible all game long, aside from brief moments when Peyton did have time, his WR's barely did anything. I understand Seattle has hard-hitters in their Secondary, but you need your WR's to be able to break some tackles, look at Seattle's WR's, they broke tackles, they made plays after the catch.

Not sure HOW the 2nd INT would be considered "Manning's fault". His arm got hit as he was throwing it and then Moreno just stood there watching it. Moreno was going no where if he caught that ball, he should have been batting it down, instead he allows the Seattle LB to get by him and catch it.

Manning overthrew some balls (so did Wilson), but his WR's let him down today in a lot of ways, his O-Line let him down a lot and while the Defense held Lynch in the first, the rest of them didn't even make Wilson blink it seemed.

I'd say that Denver should fire all of the Coaching Staff, but I'd be happy with JDR being gone.
Fair enough. Right now I'm pretty pissed so hate everybody on the roster, giving Manning **** because he's suppose to elevate us.

Regardless Broncos football has blown lately. McDouche era, Tebow craziness, flaming out in awful fashion two years in a row with Peyton

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02-03-2014, 01:15 AM
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Maybe this team should hire Tebow as a coach so that he can motivate these guys during big games next season because they absolutely crumbled under pressure.

Seriously though, Fox and Del Rio need to go. Like most of you, I HATE Fox's conservative style and especially how he tries to defend his style. He's a brutal coach. I don't know how long it's going to take to get over this loss.

One thing I will say is this: This team needs toughness. The Seahawks ran roughshod on our boys today, and it was embarrassing. Seeing Thomas run like he was terrified when he caught balls rather than put his shoulder down, Welker, J.Thomas and Decker being intimidated physically at the line of scrimmage. Seemed like the only player who played with any heart on offence was Moreno and he's likely leaving which sucks because I think Montee Ball sucks

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02-03-2014, 01:22 AM
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Knighton, Trevathon, Demaryius Thomas and Welker were the only ones that came to play today. Honestly this was a brutal loss that will sting for quite some time. It was quite a ride enjoying the historic offense and all those records. But those don't mean much without coming out on top. The team did not match the intensity of the Seahawks to a certain degree. But it purely comes down to the lack of execution. The safety to start things off just created a snowball effect of bad things to come. And the team panicked and just was not able to shake it off and try getting back in the game.

The defense did a decent job given that they were put in undesirable situation and field positiosn and were out there frequently due to the lackluster show on offense. As they have done all season long they did a great job of stuffing the run. However the pass defense struggled again and that can be mainly attributed to the injuries they suffered. Losing one of the greatest defensive players in the league in Von Miller is a huge blow as he was the only real playmaker on the defense who could force turnovers.

Offense was as pathetic as it gets. Missing the All-Pro Ryan Clady was greatly amplified as the O-line was manhandled. Couldn't get much of a run game going cuz of the hole the broncos dug themselves into. And being that one-dimensional just spells trouble and unleashes the opposing pass rush. Decker was shut down which wasnt shocking as he does tend to disappear vs physical DBs and was going up against Sherman. I believe they put him up against Sherman so that Dermaryius could get opportunities elsewhere. Welker had some good catches and Julius was having trouble but he was open on the first INT that Manning failed completely on and was pass interfered by Earl Thomas in their redzone. DT was one of the few players who came to play. Made catch after catch. yeah some of plays he was questionable but I believe he was just trying to carry the team on his back given the circumstances of the game and how badly they were getting blown out. Example the fumble where he just to tried to stiff arm his opponent exposing the ball.

Peyton Manning, he is one of the guys I have come to appreciate over the years. Wasn't his biggest fan before he arrived in Denver but began to admire him when watching the games closely and he truely does. But boy did he suck BIG TIME today. You can blame the O-line partly but he was forcing things to a hungry Seattle team. It is just so sad to see this type of game on the biggest stage of em all. Something that I had try not say but unfortunately have to admit is Manning's demeanor or lack thereof. He does not have that killer instinct that we saw the Seahawks contain and it also rubbed on the players as well. We see it in sports all the time, the most recent sport champion, Boston Red Sox won the World Series due to the grit and passion and the Seahawks did so as well.

This one is tough one to swallow. I believe in John Elway to continue to build this team well. In the salary cap era, it is tough to keep everyone. I hope they let Decker walk and use the money to shore up the defense specifically get or draft a stud MLB to put in between Trevathon and Von Miller who are beasts. Moreno if he is affordable you should keep and have to re-sign DRC and Shaun philips. It was tough to not see Champ Bailey win this one after waiting so long to get here. One of the classiest and greatest players to ever play the game. But sadly to say given the nature of the business, He has to restructure his contract if he wants to stay and same thing goes for Manning. You have made the money now cut some so the team can build the winner.

It was a wonderful season that ended horrendously which will be in our minds for a long time.

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02-03-2014, 01:59 AM
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The only thing helping me cope with this loss right now is Nathan Mackinnon highlights. Before watching them...I was so livid I had a perma-scowl on my face.

Broncos were pathetic...and I think its on the coaching staff. John Fox needs to go. IMO

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All of Manning's critics were right: he's a choker.

He's not the only reason we lost by any stretch, but as soon as the team saw their leader was playing scared they all folded up their tents.

They quit, and it's an embarassment. There's no excuse for losing this game, let alone getting blown out.

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Surprised, actually shocked, to see everyone pinning this on JDR. I’d actually pin it on Gase.

They rarely went deep with the ball or attacked the safeties using Julius Thomas. All of those screen plays and draws were just pathetic. I understand that they were trying to stop the d-lineman and LB’s from coming downhill at Peyton full speed, but Seattle’s LBs were keeping up with Knowshon with no problems whatsoever in the flat. They were just faster than he is.

I thought the defense actually played fine. Not great, but they at least showed up. Only two of Seattle’s scoring drives went 70+ yards. Our offense was the one handing them points.

I gotta say too – I was really excited about Welker coming here, but on the big stages I felt like he choked as much if not more than Peyton. I think he’s clearly lost a step, but he’s still damn good. I guess I was just expecting more from him in crunch times.

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That was a disappointing loss. But as I've come to believe and almost all of you have confirmed for me: fans are the worst part of sports.

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That was a disappointing loss. But as I've come to believe and almost all of you have confirmed for me: fans are the worst part of sports.
So then you read here because...?

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Rarely do anymore. The only one of worth reading most of the time is Freudian.

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I still rank the loss to the Ravens last season above this one in terms of misery. That was a pure choke job, plain and simple, the Broncos had a sizable lead and simply gave the game away due to poor play and poor coaching. This time around, the other team was superior and had a vastly superior gameplan. No shame in that.

It'd be nice to have a healthier team next season. I know injuries aren't an excuse but it was remarkable they made it as far as they did when it seemed like every week another starter was going down with an injury.

Oh well...time to watch hockey again.

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lol....it gave me a good chuckle.

I agree though about the fans. Actually the media's the worst component of it. ESPN has more ownership to the plight of sports than anyone.

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Its pretty tough to play decent D with 3 of your best players out (Wolfe, Harris and Von). I'm more bothered with how they lost, just a complete embarrassment to the city of Denver. That part is going to bother me for a long time. Its like we showed we don't belong in NY, not worthy of their obscene event and time.
Too much hype, too much "we are a great team" the team was high on some easy wins, and getting beaten and embarrassed is part of the wild broncos ride. The SH matched up well against our D, and they have super d. Not a good game but a great year. Hope for broncos sake Payton does not retire.

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The embarrassing part is how the team quit. From the get-go, we looked like we didn't belong. Heck, even the stadium was 75% Seahawks fans. I love the orange and blue, but this one stings.

I really hope Elway sees the need for significant changes with this team. With Peyton, we knew the window was short; the real issue long-term is the complete lack of depth/young talent on the roster. Seattle is so deep at every position, that they can easily absorb the loss of a guy like Brandon Browner or Percy Harvin. Not having Clady, Miller, Harris, and Wolfe were definitely factors, but injuries/suspensions are a part of the game and every team has to account for missing key personnel.

Frankly, this team has been built completely the opposite of Seattle - not only in terms of style of play, personality of coaches, etc., but in how much this team has struggled to effectively use its draft picks. We've got younger guys on offense like DT, Decker, Knowshon, Clady, Beadles, etc. who are all holdovers from the Shanny/McD years, while we didn't a single impact player come out of the 2013 draft aside from a shaky Montee Ball and undersized Kayvon Webster. 2012? Wolfe seems to be a keeper, but they swung and missed with guys like Hillman, Bolden, and Blake (Osweiler in the 2nd still seems questionable).

I give them credit for finding late/undrafted guys like Trevathan, Ihenacho, and Harris, but the future of this team is going to be bleak if they continue to draft like they have the last few years. Your depth is at WR, and even then, DT, Decker, and Welker could all be gone after next season. This team could be really bad really soon.

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