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Which line is better?

View Poll Results: Which line is better for Sochi?
Kovalchuk-Malkin-Ovechkin 53 28.65%
Tavares-Crosby-Stamkos 132 71.35%
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01-25-2014, 02:55 PM
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Let's not forget that Kovy is not the second best Russian winger right now.... He looses that honor to Rads.

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01-25-2014, 02:59 PM
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Let's not forget that Kovy is not the second best Russian winger right now.... He looses that honor to Rads.
Kovy must have really regressed then since leaving the NHL. The Russian squad is in a much worse state than I thought.

Not a chance their top 6 is as good as Canada's if Kovalchuk is now now even as good as Radulov. Radulov wouldn't even make Canada's team.

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Radulov wouldn't even make Canada's team.
Rads is a top-10 winger in the world.

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01-25-2014, 03:49 PM
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Rads is a top-10 winger in the world.
You're funny.... he's not even close.

Like.... nowhere near top 10.

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Kovy must have really regressed then since leaving the NHL. The Russian squad is in a much worse state than I thought.

Not a chance their top 6 is as good as Canada's if Kovalchuk is now now even as good as Radulov. Radulov wouldn't even make Canada's team.
And? Or you are saying everyone who is on team Canada is better than Radulov?

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01-25-2014, 04:02 PM
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Radulov is one of the best wingers in the world. Top-15 IMO and on big ice he is even better.

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01-25-2014, 04:09 PM
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For Sochi? I'll take the 3 dudes who know how to play on that rink already.
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Considering Tavares plays out of position and Stamkos might not be fully healed, I'd take Malkin's line. Otherwise very close.
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And? Or you are saying everyone who is on team Canada is better than Radulov?
Based on what Radulov has accomplished in the NHL, no he wouldn't make Team Canada, not even close.

On the other hand, I understand why Russians think highly of Radulov. The NHL doesn't necessarily mean skill-wise and talent-wise he's inferior. It's like Rick Nash. Many Canadian fans can't understand the reason he's on Team Canada, but the guy does have skills that may work well internationally. As someone who have watched many WHC games, I am afraid of Radulov. He has been very lethal at the WHC and I'm sure he'd be even more pumped playing at home.

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01-25-2014, 04:17 PM
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Based on what Radulov has accomplished in the NHL, no he wouldn't make Team Canada, not even close.
Based on what? His comeback 2 years ago? He was Nashville's best point scorer even though he didn't have much time to get used to NHL rinks and new teammates.

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You're funny.... he's not even close.

Like.... nowhere near top 10.
You do realize hockey is played outside North America, right?

I disagree with just about everything you say in this thread

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Based on what? His comeback 2 years ago? He was Nashville's best point scorer even though he didn't have much time to get used to NHL rinks and new teammates.
Well based on his whole NHL career. You can't say that based on that, he's anything extraordinary. Don't agree? Well by all means explain how he's so great based on his NHL play?


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Russia's line should be Ovechkin-Datsyuk-Malkin.

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And? Or you are saying everyone who is on team Canada is better than Radulov?
If you mean the olympic team, then yes.

Or do you think that Radulov is better than Carter, Marleau, Nash ?

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Rads is a top-10 winger in the world.
Maybe in your world.


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You do realize hockey is played outside North America, right?

I disagree with just about everything you say in this thread
Yes, and I actually watch a lot of hockey outside of North America, specifically the KHL. I'm going to gather significantly more than you do.

Radulov is NOT a top 10 winger in the world. He's not even in the discussion.

And you can disagree with it all you want. If you can't name 10 wingers who are better than Radulov, then you don't watch much hockey. It's not even hard to do. I'm not just talking about offensive ability either.

Simply put, if he was Canadian, he wouldn't even be in the discussion to play on the Canadian team. Players like St. Louis and Giroux, who are both better players, were not selected.... Radulov wouldn't be either.

And like I've said in the past, besides Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Datsyuk, and Malkin, nobody on their forwards list would be named to Canada. Not Semin, and not Radulov.

If you want to disagree with that, it's up to you, but I'm pretty sure I'm right. That is how far apart these two forward lineups are.

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I like how "he wouldn't be even considered to make a tam Canada" is an argument here. :-)

How do you know how he would look in Nhl right now?

And again. St.Louis and Giroux were left out of the team. And Kunitz got an invite. You like legitemetly think that Radulov is wor than Kunitz? And if he played with Crosby, and were Canadian, there is no chance he would be selected?

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Brandon Bochenski, Nigel Dawes and Kyle Wilson are all having better seasons in the KHL this year than Radulov and those guys can't even stick with an NHL team, let alone make team Canada. To say Rads is a top 10 winger in the world is just ridicuous.

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I like how "he wouldn't be even considered to make a tam Canada" is an argument here. :-)

How do you know how he would look in Nhl right now?

And again. St.Louis and Giroux were left out of the team. And Kunitz got an invite. You like legitemetly think that Radulov is wor than Kunitz? And if he played with Crosby, and were Canadian, there is no chance he would be selected?

That's too many IFs. Let's stay in the real world and say that based on his overall performance he couldn't crack the canadian team by any means. He's a good, very good player and he's gonna be a thread for Russia though.

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But as I showed you statistically Stamkos is a better goal scorer this year and also I think he is a lot better at the other aspects of the game except possibly hitting.
How many Harts does Stamkos have? Who is the reigning Hart winner? How much experience does Stamkos have? How many times did Stamkos even play in playoffs or in the international hockey? Which one of them plays with a Hart winning playmaker?

Ovy >> Stamkos
Malkin = Crosby
Kovy << Tavares

It's a wash, but only because Kovy's been ***** this year.

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I like how "he wouldn't be even considered to make a tam Canada" is an argument here. :-)

How do you know how he would look in Nhl right now?

And again. St.Louis and Giroux were left out of the team. And Kunitz got an invite. You like legitemetly think that Radulov is wor than Kunitz? And if he played with Crosby, and were Canadian, there is no chance he would be selected?
We don't. We can only base on what we've seen so far. Do you suggest, that we extrapolate? So with a lot of IFs, you think he'll be on Team Canada whilst St-Louis isn't?

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How many Harts does Stamkos have? Who is the reigning Hart winner? How much experience does Stamkos have? How many times did Stamkos even play in playoffs or in the international hockey? Which one of them plays with a Hart winning playmaker?

Ovy >> Stamkos
Malkin = Crosby
Kovy << Tavares

It's a wash, but only because Kovy's been ***** this year.
You need to start learning to watch the defensive side of play. To say that Ovy >> Stamkos simply shows that you don't do anything but watch offensive production. Ovechkin and Stamkos NOW are very close offensively, however defensively it's not even close. Stamkos is miles ahead of Ovechkin. If Ovechkin was put on the Canadian roster, he would immediately be the worst defensive player on the team... by a country mile.

It amazes me how many people simply look at stats and say one player is better than another.

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Brandon Bochenski, Nigel Dawes and Kyle Wilson are all having better seasons in the KHL this year than Radulov and those guys can't even stick with an NHL team, let alone make team Canada. To say Rads is a top 10 winger in the world is just ridicuous.
Actually Radulov has been better than those guys..... But Nigel Dawes, Kyle Wilson and Brandon Bochenski are all having better seasons than NHL superstar Ilya Kovalchuk, lol.

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At present day I believe:
Crosby > Malkin
Stamkos > OV
JT > Kovalchuk

But give me a prime OV and Kovalchuk and it's tough call.
Prime Ovechkin? He was hunting 50 in 50. He scored already 36 goals.

Kovi played PK under Lemaire. Not expecting many Canadians to know who that was, considering what they write about Kovi.

Malkin is not better than Crosby though. But I would prefer Datsyuk on a top line, and go head to head with him on Crosby.

But as someone pointed out, these lines will not play. Russians has top forwards in the world playing on big ice. In Halifax Russia did not lose one game with 14 forwards from KHL. I will expect Semin and Kovi playing with KHL forwards.

For me Russia will be favorite for gold.

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Actually Radulov has been better than those guys.....
Not from where I'm looking. He hasn't even scored 10 goals yet.

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How many Harts does Stamkos have? Who is the reigning Hart winner? How much experience does Stamkos have? How many times did Stamkos even play in playoffs or in the international hockey? Which one of them plays with a Hart winning playmaker?

Ovy >> Stamkos
Malkin = Crosby
Kovy << Tavares

It's a wash, but only because Kovy's been ***** this year.
The Hart is nice but they were extremely close last season so I don't think it means much in this context. In the previous 3 seasons Stamkos had 134 goals and 245 points and Ovechkin had 102 goals and 206 points and when Stamkos was hurt this year he was leading the league with 17 goals. There is no doubt that Stamkos has been the better offensive player for some time and I think he is also better defensively. Your claim that Ovy is >> than Stamkos is just not true.

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Not from where I'm looking. He hasn't even scored 10 goals yet.
He's having a bad season in terms of goal scoring but he has missed a lot of games also.

Still the best player or 2nd best outside of NHL.

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He's having a bad season in terms of goal scoring but he has missed a lot of games also.

Still the best player or 2nd best outside of NHL.
I am taking his missed games into account. It's pretty hard to claim he's one of the top offensive players in the world when Brandon Bochenski has more points per game than he does.


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