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01-24-2014, 07:47 AM
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Phillips is not necessary a bad player, he's just put into positions to fail and that's on Maclean.
That Maclean guy is such an ******* how can he put Phillips on the ice when the great hockey legend and Hall of famer B.J. Crombeen is out there? Of course he's going to beat Phillips and score!

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01-24-2014, 10:59 AM
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That Maclean guy is such an ******* how can he put Phillips on the ice when the great hockey legend and Hall of famer B.J. Crombeen is out there? Of course he's going to beat Phillips and score!
There is not anything wrong with Phillips that a lessened work load wouldn't solve. Weircioch and Gryba got 12 minutes of ice time each against Tampa. I think maybe Mac is trying to kill him off

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The Big Rig is likely managing his bar between periods via a flurry of emails and calls to his manager.

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The Big Rig is likely managing his bar between periods via a flurry of emails and calls to his manager.
How successful has it been?

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01-24-2014, 11:57 AM
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Hate to break to you, but Wiercioch has been sitting out because he's a bubble player.

Phillips plays because of merit. Don't blame him for the responsibility he gets, but I sure as **** don't want to see Corvo, Wiercioch or Gryba getting top4 minutes on a regular basis.

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01-24-2014, 12:03 PM
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Hate to break to you, but Wiercioch has been sitting out because he's a bubble player.

Phillips plays because of merit. Don't blame him for the responsibility he gets, but I sure as **** don't want to see Corvo, Wiercioch or Gryba getting top4 minutes on a regular basis.
Nothing wrong with that opinion, but Weircioch doesn't get the consistent opportunities to be anything more than "bubble player". We talk about the young guys being inconsistent, I think the way they are being handled is part of the problem. Weircioch>Phillips just my opinion. I am also not insinuating top 4 minutes for Weir and Gryba but 12 minutes for a d-man is pointless, you can't even get into the flow of the game properly.

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Nothing wrong with that opinion, but Weircioch doesn't get the consistent opportunities to be anything more than "bubble player". We talk about the young guys being inconsistent, I think the way they are being handled is part of the problem. Weircioch>Phillips just my opinion. I am also not insinuating top 4 minutes for Weir and Gryba but 12 minutes for a d-man is pointless, you can't even get into the flow of the game properly.
Wiercioch has played an average of 16:51/game this season, ranking him 7th among our defencemen. Gryba has played 16:20/game. They both play against the weakest of competition. Both have moments where they struggle.

I just don't see the excitement for these players. Cody Ceci is a guy to be excited about, given the duties he's handling already at age 20.

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01-24-2014, 12:20 PM
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It wouldn't matter too much which of Phillips or Wiercioch gets to play as long as it's a few minutes as a #6. But last night BOTH played, and a lot of minutes collectively.

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Wiercioch has played an average of 16:51/game this season, ranking him 7th among our defencemen. Gryba has played 16:20/game. They both play against the weakest of competition. Both have moments where they struggle.

I just don't see the excitement for these players. Cody Ceci is a guy to be excited about, given the duties he's handling already at age 20.
Hey Cody Ceci and Zibanejad are "high end" prospects I'm not comparing other young guys to them. How many games has Weircioch and Gryba sat out ? What does that do to young players that are trying to adapt to the NHL ? I just feel the vets play no matter what (they are aloud to struggle at times) and the young guys are not afforded the same opportunities to work there way through there struggles. Is the answer then to continue to over play Phillips ? Is the answer to have Conacher, Pageau, DaCosta, ect stapled to the bench every third period no matter how well they are playing ? How many times have we seen Condra late in the game on a scoring line when we are down a goal ? Greening also get's a lot of late game minutes when we are behind. I think this team is MUCH BETTER than the sum of it's parts I just am not convinced Stache can resist playing his more experienced players too much, and his young guns too little. AGAIN this is just my opinion. How did Zibby and Conacher play when Stache was forced to give them bigger roles when Spezza went down ? I say the skill is there let them play !!!

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01-24-2014, 02:45 PM
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Hey Cody Ceci and Zibanejad are "high end" prospects I'm not comparing other young guys to them. How many games has Weircioch and Gryba sat out ? What does that do to young players that are trying to adapt to the NHL ? I just feel the vets play no matter what (they are aloud to struggle at times) and the young guys are not afforded the same opportunities to work there way through there struggles. Is the answer then to continue to over play Phillips ? Is the answer to have Conacher, Pageau, DaCosta, ect stapled to the bench every third period no matter how well they are playing ? How many times have we seen Condra late in the game on a scoring line when we are down a goal ? Greening also get's a lot of late game minutes when we are behind. I think this team is MUCH BETTER than the sum of it's parts I just am not convinced Stache can resist playing his more experienced players too much, and his young guns too little. AGAIN this is just my opinion. How did Zibby and Conacher play when Stache was forced to give them bigger roles when Spezza went down ? I say the skill is there let them play !!!
Zibanejad and Conacher have shown excellent chemistry together for sure. And they will get bigger roles, especially when guys like the ineffective Milan Michalek (he is actually -20 if you can believe that) are gone.

As for our defence, it is not going to get to a contender level unless we make an acquisition. That's up to Melnyk pretty much.

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01-24-2014, 02:50 PM
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Zibanejad and Conacher have shown excellent chemistry together for sure. And they will get bigger roles, especially when guys like the ineffective Milan Michalek (he is actually -20 if you can believe that) are gone.

As for our defence, it is not going to get to a contender level unless we make an acquisition. That's up to Melnyk pretty much.
I just wish Weircioch would get the chance to string some games together to see what he can do, I just don't see how he can get better the way he is being used.

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01-24-2014, 03:23 PM
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There is not anything wrong with Phillips that a lessened work load wouldn't solve. Weircioch and Gryba got 12 minutes of ice time each against Tampa. I think maybe Mac is trying to kill him off
This is the funniest thing I've read here in a very long time.

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02-28-2014, 03:48 AM
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Why the F was Phillips back on the powerplay last night?

The guy shouldn't be playing more than 10 minutes even strength with 4-5 minutes on the PK.

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02-28-2014, 03:51 AM
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Why the F was Phillips back on the powerplay last night?

The guy shouldn't be playing more than 10 minutes even strength with 4-5 minutes on the PK.
It pissed me off that Mac didn't keep Karlsson on the ice for the full powerplay when we were desperate for a goal. ****ing socialist

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02-28-2014, 06:41 AM
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Hate to break to you, but Wiercioch has been sitting out because he's a bubble player.

Phillips plays because of merit. Don't blame him for the responsibility he gets, but I sure as **** don't want to see Corvo, Wiercioch or Gryba getting top4 minutes on a regular basis.
All 3 are bubble players at this point.

Looks to me like our wonderful prospects pipeline is mostly 3-4th line grinders and 5-7 defensemen and pluggers. Outside of Lazar and Ceci, there are no potential impact guys.

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02-28-2014, 07:08 AM
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All 3 are bubble players at this point.

Looks to me like our wonderful prospects pipeline is mostly 3-4th line grinders and 5-7 defensemen and pluggers. Outside of Lazar and Ceci, there are no potential impact guys.
Tank for McDavid?

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02-28-2014, 07:13 AM
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Tank for McDavid?
14 teams will have a shot at the kid. Tanking is dead.

With our luck, we'll use up all our luck and win the lotto this year for Anaheim.

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02-28-2014, 07:25 AM
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14 teams will have a shot at the kid. Tanking is dead.

With our luck, we'll use up all our luck and win the lotto this year for Anaheim.
The last place team has a 25% shot now, as opposed to a 40% shot. But as before, teams can only slink back one spot. Tanking is not dead, despite that the 14th place team now has a >0.1% chance of landing the #1 overall pick.

We can get McDavid, but we'll have to jettison Ryan.

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02-28-2014, 07:38 AM
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The last place team has a 25% shot now, as opposed to a 40% shot. But as before, teams can only slink back one spot. Tanking is not dead, despite that the 14th place team now has a >0.1% chance of landing the #1 overall pick.

We can get McDavid, but we'll have to jettison Ryan.
Worst place team only has a 1 in 4 chance to get the kid. Odds are tanking won't work. We can tank, throw away a bunch of players, be the worst damned team in the league, and sit there at the team table while someone else walks up and calls McDavid's name on draft day. Ruin the team for what? Looking like fools on draft day?

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02-28-2014, 07:43 AM
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Worst place team only has a 1 in 4 chance to get the kid. Odds are tanking won't work. We can tank, throw away a bunch of players, be the worst damned team in the league, and sit there at the team table while someone else walks up and calls McDavid's name on draft day. Ruin the team for what? Looking like fools on draft day?
What are the odds Melnyk spends beyond his budget?

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02-28-2014, 07:59 AM
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What are the odds Melnyk spends beyond his budget?
lol, worse than winning the McDavid sweepstakes.

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Time to just cut Corvo and get something back for Phillips. Let Claesson, Borowiecki and Wiercioch rotate through and lets see what we have and where it fits. Ceci needs more seasoning and could go down for a while to lets the others have a shot. We know where he is for next year.

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The worst thing about Alfie leaving is now you hear people saying Philips needs to be re-signed so that we don't have to go through another "Alfie" situation. I don't mind keeping him around so he can retire as a sen, but at a reduced role and contract

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Unless he takes a dirt cheap deal like 1.5 mill per no thank you. He has been a warrior for the team and much appreciated but he is regressing fast.

If he was reduced to 6th or 7th Dman ok but come next year I think Boro can handle a full time bottom pairing role and actually bring some much needed ruggedness vs Phillips calm gentlemanly play.

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02-28-2014, 12:04 PM
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I just wish Weircioch would get the chance to string some games together to see what he can do, I just don't see how he can get better the way he is being used.
Well he just finished his rookie years worth of games. very impressive numbers

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