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How many competitive teams could Canada send to the Olympics?

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01-25-2014, 05:39 PM
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Not just including medal contending teams but also competitive teams in the Olympics.

How many teams could Canada send until it wouldn't get competitive? Until the likes of Austria could beat Canada?

For sure, the first 4 Canadian teams would be medal contending, the rest would be competitive. I think Canada could send 25 teams and then it wouldn't be competitive
It really depends on your definition of being competitive. But 25 is way too high in my opinion.

Canadian players make up for about 50% of NHLers, right? Let's just simplify for argument's sake: going strict by that number, you can get about 15 "canadian" teams just out of NHLers. But that includes all 4th liners and the John Scotts and Colton Orrs of the league and so on. So you would still have to recruit at least 10 teams WITHOUT any NHLers. I don't think that would work well against Switzerland, let alone the other top flight nations. It's not like all those Canadians destroy the NLA, SEL, DEL or other European leagues.

Germany routinely doesn't go anywhere, even when they ice 3-5 NHLers.

We get it. Canada is good at hockey, but they are not that far ahead when it comes to elite talent. Can we agree on that?

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01-25-2014, 05:44 PM
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25 teams is pretty conservative, I am thinking more like 40. A bunch of non-Canadians are going to come in here with their hurt feelings and tell you that number is too high though.
At least 300 teams, most realistically the right number is about 500.

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01-25-2014, 05:46 PM
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Team Canada: - Compete For Gold
Chris Kunitz - Sidney Crosby - Steven Stamkos
Patrick Marleau - Ryan Getzlaf - Corey Perry
Patrick Sharp - Jonathan Toews - Rick Nash
Jamie Benn - John Tavares - Jeff Carter
Patrice Bergeron
Taxi: Matt Duchene

Duncan Keith - Drew Doughty
Jay Bouwmeester - Alex Pietrangelo
Marc-Edouard Vlasic - Shea Weber
PK Subban
Taxi: Dan Hamhuis

Roberto Luongo
Carey Price
Taxi: Mike Smith

Team Canada 2: - Compete For Gold
Taylor Hall - Claude Giroux - Martin St.Louis
James Neal - Joe Thornton - Brent Burns
Logan Couture - Jason Spezza - Tyler Seguin
Andrew Ladd - Eric Staal - Jeff Skinner
Mike Richards
Taxi: Milan Lucic

Francois Beauchemin - Brent Seabrook
Dion Phaneuf - Dan Boyle
Marc Giordano - Kris Letang
Brian Campbell
Taxi: Marc Staal

Corey Crawford
Marc-Andre Fleury
Taxi: Jonathan Bernier

Team Canada 3: - Pretty Competitive
Ryan O'Rielly - Ryan Nugent Hopkins - Jordan Eberle
Evander Kane - Bryan Little - Ryan Johansen
David Perron - Kyle Turris - Wayne Simmonds
Joffrey Lupul - Jordan Staal - Jarome Iginla
Brad Marchand
Taxi: Nathan MacKinnon

Jason Garrison - Mike Green
Mike Methot - Karl Alzner
Justin Schultz - Travis Hamonic
Kevin Bieksa
Taxi: Dougie Hamilton

Josh Harding
Braden Holtby
Taxi: Cam Ward
The 2nd team is not very good, but could compete for the medal. The 3rd team is a pile of ass that would likely only defeat the canon fodder of the tournament.

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01-25-2014, 06:04 PM
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At least 300 teams, most realistically the right number is about 500.
I'm thinkin' more like a thousand. Count me in!

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01-25-2014, 06:21 PM
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we havent seen "Canada B" thread in a while so why not to create another one

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The "pile of ass" teams still have more name players than some that have won medals at the Olympics, so I would say probably four or five would have a shot to medal.

Of course, they would need to do what all great teams do, and that is come together and play as a unit as opposed to a group of very good players. This is the challenge for all teams, not just Canadian teams.

But I don't think it is inconceivable to think that the talent on Canada's 4th team would be good enough under the right circumstances to pull off a medal win. Crappier teams than the ones above sure as hell have.

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01-25-2014, 06:50 PM
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the HF consensus

Team Canada 1 would be at Team Canada A level
Team Canada 2 would be at Team Russia A level
Team Canada 3 would be at Czech Republic/Finland level
Team Canada 4 would be at Slovakia level
Team Canada 5 would be at Switzerland level
Team Canada 6 would be at Germany/Latvia level
Team Canada 7 would be Norway-Denmark level.
Team Canada 8 would be Austria-France level
Team Canada 9 would be worst team in Tournament
Team Canada 10 would be Division 2 World Championships level.

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01-25-2014, 07:02 PM
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The 2nd team is not very good, but could compete for the medal. The 3rd team is a pile of ass that would likely only defeat the canon fodder of the tournament.
The 2nd team can give the 1st team a run for it's money. The 3rd team is middle of the pack.

Out of 12 teams:

Team #1: Gold Medal/Silver Medal
Team #2: Bronze Medal/4th place/5th place - Behind Canada 1 and Russia. Around Sweden, US, Finland and Czech.
Team #3: 7th place/8th place - Better than Austria, Latvia, Slovenia, Norway. Competing with Swiss and Slovakia.

That's my opinion. A 4th team MIGHT beat out the likes of Latvia and Austria. So 10th place at best.


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01-25-2014, 07:06 PM
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the HF consensus

Team Canada 1 would be at Team Canada A level
Team Canada 2 would be at Team Russia A level
Team Canada 3 would be at Czech Republic/Finland level
Team Canada 4 would be at Slovakia level
Team Canada 5 would be at Switzerland level
Team Canada 6 would be at Germany/Latvia level
Team Canada 7 would be Norway-Denmark level.
Team Canada 8 would be Austria-France level
Team Canada 9 would be worst team in Tournament
Team Canada 10 would be Division 2 World Championships level.
You forgot Sweden...

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01-25-2014, 07:26 PM
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For a real answer, it depends on how we consider competitive. If the talent is evenly divided, Canada could probably make three teams that could realistically win gold, though none would be favourites. Each team would have very strong top two centres and top defenceman, followed by good depth throughout the roster. Goaltending would not be great. Four teams might be feasible.

If competitive means an outside shot at medaling if everything goes right, so maybe Switzerland level or something, then the number is probably around 10. The forwards would actually be ok, but goaltending is a limiting factor.

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I wonder how many teams Canada would use up for the likes of Colton Orrs and John Scotts to make the team lol.

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A 4th team MIGHT beat out the likes of Latvia and Austria. So 10th place at best.

A fourth team could look like this:

Lecavalier - Ribeiro - Little
Moulson - Kadri - Iginla
Cammalleri - Turris - R.Smith
Gallagher - Zajac - Toffoli
Monahan

Wilson - Girardi
Demers - Brodie
Murray - Dillon
MacDonald, Rielly

Ward, Elliott, S.Mason

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01-25-2014, 08:56 PM
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I wonder how many teams Canada would use up for the likes of Colton Orrs and John Scotts to make the team lol.
Behind a lot guys playing in Europe, AHLers, some juniors even

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Having a large pool does not mean we can have 7 elite teams. There's no way the Canadian C team could be better than Russia's or Sweden's A team. The only advantage of depth is that Canada's D team will surely be better than any other countries D team, but at the A level, that doesn't matter.
Actually the pool size is the best indicator of the number of elite level athletes a program will produce. If you read what I posted carefully you'll see I said if you spread out Canada's talent, not put all the best players on team A and so on. Basically you have to look at the weaket player on each Olympic team and see how far down the depth chart they would fall in Canada. If Sovakia can be considered competitive then obviously Canada could have many teams at that level.

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Yes, the Canadian C team could beat the Russian A team, but it could not medal. Do you think the Swiss will medal this time? Well neither will Team Canada C.
Question isn't asking how many Team Canadas can medal. It's asking how many can go to the Olympics and be competitive i.e. at least be able to beat Austria, etc.

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You forgot Sweden...
Sweden is not as good as Canada 1, but better than Canada 2.

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They could have around 3 competitive teams. All depends on how well the team plays together. Would be interesting to see it tried and potentially embarrassing when if all three teams failed to medal.

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two factor's to take into account

Quality of the game in the NA leagues tops that of the european leagues at just about every level talent wise.
Number of Canadian players, greater than any other nation- many by 3,5, or 10 to 1 margin.
Then there's foreign born players with Canadian citizenship.


So I'd say Canada can put out it's worst and still win at least one game.

As far as a medal goes- I'd say you can might win with a mix of NHL and AHL players. might- a bronze perhaps.

btw- how many on this forum recall the days when pros were not allowed to take part in Olympic Hockey ??


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they send 23 players to the olympics. 26 letters, so the Z team would essentially be player #575-598. There are only 439 players in the NHL so team Z would be made up of Canadian AHLers and juniors. They'd get rocked by Slovenia.

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Team Z would definitely be a contender!

In the AHL (maybe)

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Team Z would definitely be a contender!

In the AHL (maybe)
They'd still be better than the Oilers.

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The "pile of ass" teams still have more name players than some that have won medals at the Olympics, so I would say probably four or five would have a shot to medal.

Of course, they would need to do what all great teams do, and that is come together and play as a unit as opposed to a group of very good players. This is the challenge for all teams, not just Canadian teams.

But I don't think it is inconceivable to think that the talent on Canada's 4th team would be good enough under the right circumstances to pull off a medal win. Crappier teams than the ones above sure as hell have.
Look at how poor the defence is on Canada 3. There are many NHL teams with a better defence than that. That team would get steamrolled by any team with decent forwards.

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The 2nd team can give the 1st team a run for it's money. The 3rd team is middle of the pack.

Out of 12 teams:

Team #1: Gold Medal/Silver Medal
Team #2: Bronze Medal/4th place/5th place - Behind Canada 1 and Russia. Around Sweden, US, Finland and Czech.
Team #3: 7th place/8th place - Better than Austria, Latvia, Slovenia, Norway. Competing with Swiss and Slovakia.

That's my opinion. A 4th team MIGHT beat out the likes of Latvia and Austria. So 10th place at best.
I disagree with this. A gold medal winning Team Canada with all of its top players barely beat those countries in 2010. Canada 3 with its defence being lead by the Jason Garrison's and Justin Schultz's of the world wouldn't stand a chance.

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More than a third of all registered hockey players in the world are from Canada, so they should be able to send at least four competitive teams in a 12 team tournament.

I don't know much about other major team sports in Canada, but I guess hockey is as dominant in Canada as soccer is in Europe. In Sweden there are about 10 times more registered soccer players (about 600K vs 60K) than hockey players, so soccer of course steals a lot of talents.

This kind of implied Canadian hockey superiority threads reminds me how small a sport ice hockey is on a global scale...

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Jesus how many of these threads are we gonna do?

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