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01-29-2014, 12:03 PM
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On the topic of adding one of Moulson/Vanek/Cammalleri, Camma can moonlight as a center in certain situations as well, if one of Stepan or Brassard goes down to injury.

If we re-sign Zuccarello long term, it should be in our interests to bring back Brassard at least for one more year to work with him. Perhaps re-sign Pouliot to be an extra forward in case the new LW signing doesn't work out. Cammalleri/Moulson/Vanek-Brassard-Zuccarello is a pretty small, soft unit.

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Of course he wants to remain a Ranger. Not many players want to leave but they do for more term and money. The Rangers and his agent haven't gotten very far in their discussions which is why his name has been discussed in trades with other teams. From: @AGrossRecord
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well if he wants to stay he has to give a little. 5 yrs, 5.5 for both Cally and Girardi. I think Sather does that. More that not so sure he will or should

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But a team in Florida's position wouldn't trade for Callahan unless they have a contract worked out with him just prior to the trade, in which case the Rangers would be able to get more value than Versteeg. I see what you mean though.
Isn't Versteeg on Chicago now?

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01-29-2014, 12:04 PM
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Say the Rangers re-sign Girardi,is Stralman in play? Katie Strang reported a few weeks that no talks had taken place between the Rangers and Stralman's agent. That guy has a million kids. I was the NHL Network on Saturday. The families were on the ice. He has 4 little kids. What is it with the Swedes and their kids? Nylander had 6 or 7 of them when he played for the Rangers in 2007. One of them will be a very good NHL player. The Rangers and his agent Paul Theofanous agreed to a 3 year contract. It was for $3.75M per. I think. Nylander said no and fired his agent. Nylander wanted big $ and Sather said no.
I would think that they want to sign Girardi, and they will then deal Stralman. They could get a good return for a piece they signed for nothing but dollars as a UFA.

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01-29-2014, 12:06 PM
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That Nylander incident changed the course of NYR history significantly.

1. We would not have traded Cullen
2. We would not have signed one of Drury/Gomez
3. Jagr might have hit his bonus and stayed another season

who knows all the silly things that might have gone on.

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He made 12 million dollars over the last three years, and is about to sign a contract somewhere that will undoubtedly be more than that. I think he and his family will be alright no matter where he signs.
And I think that continues to be a silly viewpoint. Wonder if you'd have the same one if you were in Callahan's shoes.

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If St. Louis was interested in Callahan, I'd push hard for Vannelli. Though with their wing depth, I doubt they've even kicked the tires.

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Isn't Versteeg on Chicago now?
Yea he is. Must've slept on that trade. My bad. Viper's post makes absolute sense.

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So does anyone still think its possible they keep both these guys and Brad Richards?

Looking at the numbers it just makes very little sense. They would have to let Boyle, Brassard and Strålman go, Callahan and Girardi would have to sign at 5,75 and Kreider, Pouliot and Zuccarello would have to take cheap deals for it to work even then. That would leave us with

Kreider - Stepan - Nash
Hagelin - Richards - Callahan
Pouliot - Miller - Zuccarello
Carcillo - Moore - Dorsett

McDonagh - Girardi
Staal - Klein
Moore - Allen/McI/Falk

With very little cap room to spare. I just don't think its possible to do it and also have a good team.

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On the topic of adding one of Moulson/Vanek/Cammalleri, Camma can moonlight as a center in certain situations as well, if one of Stepan or Brassard goes down to injury.

If we re-sign Zuccarello long term, it should be in our interests to bring back Brassard at least for one more year to work with him. Perhaps re-sign Pouliot to be an extra forward in case the new LW signing doesn't work out. Cammalleri/Moulson/Vanek-Brassard-Zuccarello is a pretty small, soft unit.
I wouldn't consider Brassard, Moulson or Vanek small. Soft, sure maybe. But all three players are 6'1"+ and 200+ lbs.

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There is absolutely no situation where Richards should not be bought out. None.

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01-29-2014, 12:14 PM
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I wouldn't consider Brassard, Moulson or Vanek small. Soft, sure maybe. But all three players are 6'1"+ and 200+ lbs.
Well, recall looking down at Moulson, but I guess that's a relative thing.

Camma is truly small, though.

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People still think that $6m is $8m. It's pretty funny, really.
Yeah, amazing.

Everyone knows the cap is 80+m in y2 of any contract signed this summer.

People are referring to contracts signed when the cap was in the 50s.

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And I think that continues to be a silly viewpoint. Wonder if you'd have the same one if you were in Callahan's shoes.
Its also a view that doesnt take into account the fact that hes playing in NY..... So you can pretty much chop that salary in half because of the taxes..... That makes a big difference

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What about Sgarbossa as a potential target out of Colorado?

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What about Sgarbossa as a potential target out of Colorado?
Don't know anything about him.

What's he like?

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On the topic of adding one of Moulson/Vanek/Cammalleri, Camma can moonlight as a center in certain situations as well, if one of Stepan or Brassard goes down to injury.

If we re-sign Zuccarello long term, it should be in our interests to bring back Brassard at least for one more year to work with him. Perhaps re-sign Pouliot to be an extra forward in case the new LW signing doesn't work out. Cammalleri/Moulson/Vanek-Brassard-Zuccarello is a pretty small, soft unit.
last I read was that Cammy was out with yet another concussion.

I like him, but pass.

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Callahan should get his payday. He'll likely miss out on upwards of 20 million over the length of the deal if he decides to stay and sign a hometown discount.

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01-29-2014, 12:28 PM
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Its also a view that doesnt take into account the fact that hes playing in NY..... So you can pretty much chop that salary in half because of the taxes..... That makes a big difference
Eh, I always felt that was a bit overblown. Get yourself a good accountant and that factor gets mitigated quickly.

Lots of baseball players declare residency in Florida to avoid it.

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I wouldn't consider Brassard, Moulson or Vanek small. Soft, sure maybe. But all three players are 6'1"+ and 200+ lbs.
Vanek especially is a bigger guy. Very thick, Moulson is more wiry.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Vanek as a prime Sather target. Fills a need. Net front presence and very good goal scorer. Bigger guy adept at controlling the puck. Has already proven he can thrive in Buffalo who played an up-tempo system.

I still think Matt Greene from LA would be a good buy-low candidate. Absolute warrior.

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Eh, I always felt that was a bit overblown. Get yourself a good accountant and that factor gets mitigated quickly.

Lots of baseball players declare residency in Florida to avoid it.
No doubt it can be mitigated but the majority of a player's tax burden in this context (income tax) is based on where the income is earned. And playing 41 games on NYC is a significant hit.

Not the be all end all but it is a factor.

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For the umpteenth time, he's not a BAD player, I never said he's a bad player.

He's not effective enough to be making 6 million dollars.

I end it there.
I don't think the difference between $5M and $6M is enough to lose him.

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No doubt it can be mitigated but the majority of a player's tax burden in this context (income tax) is based on where the income is earned. And playing 41 games on NYC is a significant hit.

Not the be all end all but it is a factor.
Theres a reason its the greatest city in the world.

Does a player want to uproot his family to say, Dallas, to keep a little extra dough? All part of the process.

But time is not on the Rangers side, really. They should be making their best offer prior to the deadline.

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I don't think the difference between $5M and $6M is enough to lose him.
Im more concerned about contract length than $'s

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The Rangers probably leaked the info to McKenzie to try and expedite the process. McKenzie specifically said they won't lose them for nothing, extend by deadline or bust.

Callahan's agent came out days ago speaking incredibly formally - "hopefully something between the Rangers and my client can be done to achieve a resolution". Callahan came out today and stated he wanted to remain a Ranger. The onus lies on both the management and the player in this case.

I don't think they'll give Callahan or Girardi until the deadline to sign. I think they've given them roughly a week, until the roster freeze. The Rangers, as they stand, are 2nd in the Metro division, and quickly rising the ranks. It's not inconceivable that they can end the season 7-10 points behind the Penguins, lock up that 2nd spot, and make a run in the playoffs.

But they also won't sacrifice their players for nothing, according to McKenzie - who I do trust knows his stuff. Meaning, I do not think we'll be trading solely for prospects/picks.

An interesting trade would be to send Callahan and someone like Fast to the Sabres for Ott, Foligno, and a 1st. Callahan will conceivably resign with them, being as it will be a type of home coming for him. He's from Rochester, about an hour away. Ott is also a rental, they have an abundance of 1sts, they can give us a sub par one that they've collected and keep their likely top 2 one they have, and Foligno is a 3rd/4th liner that we sorely lack.

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