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01-30-2014, 10:23 AM
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They won't bring them all back. Stralman is gone if or when girardi signs. They can't lock in that much on rd and block mcilrath

Boyle makes too much for a 4th liner . Going Dorsett and resigning Moore and carcillo at 1 million or so is fine. Fast and miller should not be blocked either
Hartford is so bad right now as a team that they need to let these guys learn to play defense before we call them up and drop them in a **** show...

McI is NOT ready, nor will he be this season, or most of next.

Allen is the closest to ready, and there's no reason to drop him into the fray yet either

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01-30-2014, 10:23 AM
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I'm confused, are you saying they should, or should not give Callahan a 7 year deal?
I'm fine with 7 years if the starting salary is $6m. Meaning that the eventual cap hit is somewhere between $5-5.5m.

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Regarding Pouliot. I've been satisfied with the way he's played. I'd rather make a play at Vanek or Moulson (if Callahan is traded and we buy out Richards) in the offseason, which would eliminate Pouliot's spot in the lineup. Can he play RW? If he can, then yes.
I think he can play both wings.

I agree on the upgrade as well, but he has been a useful player. Seems to have good chemistry with Brassard.

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01-30-2014, 10:25 AM
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I think he can play both wings.

I agree on the upgrade as well, but he has been a useful player. Seems to have good chemistry with Brassard.
Seems to, but if Richards is bought out, the most likely scenario is that Brassard is our 2C. I don't want Pouliot in our top-6. Him being there is a big part of why he struggled early in the season, in my opinion.

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01-30-2014, 10:26 AM
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I'm for that, but the scary part is that if Richards is bought out and Moore keeps his spot, then Center Depth looks like:

Stepan
Brassard
Moore
Boyle

Perhaps Miller would be a better fit for the 3rd line, but this still doesn't address the #1 center need.

Still think Richards is NOT bought out this off season.

ALSO,

Looks like Girardi is close to being signed. Difference in $ is low:

http://snyrangersblog.com/2013-14/20...d-dan-girardi/
Why would you think that? If we were able to push the amnesty buy out for another year I wouldn't buy him out either, but that's not the case. No if, ands, or buts, we NEED to buy out Richards after this season. The potential recapture penalty is frightening.

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01-30-2014, 10:27 AM
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I'm fine with 7 years if the starting salary is $6m. Meaning that the eventual cap hit is somewhere between $5-5.5m.
But you just said you had a hard time seeing Staal staying at the same level and that Cammalleri's play went south as well.

I don't think Callahan is a 6 million dollar player right now, let alone in 6 years even if the cap increases as people are assuming it will (which still scares me).

This isn't Hank. He hasn't put the team on his back for long stretches. He is a heart and soul player with limited skill who wins based on heart. I love him for it, but he isn't going to age gracefully.

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Meant less than 50%... originally wrote that as "more than a 50% variance".. just changed the way I phrased it.

If you want clarification, google it. CBA is downloadable from a bunch of different places.
Gotcha, I was off by $5k the last year. $3.5 it is then.

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01-30-2014, 10:29 AM
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The Rangers will be paying a steep price to retain Girardi but it is what is is. Girardi is durable. When was the last time he missed any games? Callahan is always hurt. He has never played a full season. Girardi has a better chance of being in one piece than Callahan over the next 5-6 years. The Rangers should look into moving Callahan by next Friday. Why risk an injury during the Olympics? The players get paid during the break. Its $420K for Callahan. 17 days. 195 day season. $4.825M salary. If a team wants to wait until after the break because they don't want to pay the $400k,offer to retain that money in the trade. In 2001,Sather was talking to the Blues about Richter. A deal was close to being done but Sather wanted to wait and Richter tore his ACL. No deal. Larry Pleau was the Blues GM and he knew Richter from his time as the Rangers AGM.

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But you just said you had a hard time seeing Staal staying at the same level and that Cammalleri's play went south as well.

I don't think Callahan is a 6 million dollar player right now, let alone in 6 years even if the cap increases as people are assuming it will (which still scares me).

This isn't Hank. He hasn't put the team on his back for long stretches. He is a heart and soul player with limited skill who wins based on heart. I love him for it, but he isn't going to age gracefully.
You don't pay $6m for a player that can put his team on his back for long stretches. You pay $8m or more for that player.

And my position is that I don't have a problem signing him for 7 years as long as $6m is the starting salary, meaning the cap hit should be significantly less.

Edit: But my position is also that, at this point, I'd prefer to trade him.

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01-30-2014, 10:31 AM
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Package a prospect and/or pick with Callahan to maximize the potential return... We need a young player or prospect coming back with a high likelihood to make an impact at the NHL level.

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01-30-2014, 10:32 AM
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love cally but there is no way i'm giving him a 7 year deal for huge $$ right now...i'm sure part of it is his shoulder still isn't 100% but he's probably our worst forward lately. guy can't seem to do anything...

if he re-finds his game before the year is over i might rethink it, but if he was another teams ufa and you watched his current play you wouldn't be offering $3 mil for him no less $6-7.

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01-30-2014, 10:34 AM
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im officially not ok with signing girardi and dumping stralman for a few reasons.

first, girardi could bring us back quite a nice package that will help us bigtime now and in the future. he conceivably could bring back more than cally.

that, and stralman locked up on an affordable 4 yr deal to me is worth more than girardi locked up and no stralman and whatever stralman brings us back in a trade.

i just dont get girardi long term in this system. hes a good top 4 guy but hes limited.

i might be in the minority here but i see stralmans game climbing and i see girardis declining.

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01-30-2014, 10:35 AM
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A friend of mine is Callahan's neighbor in Rochester. He says that he's pretty sure that he will end up in Buffalo when it's all said and done.

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Gotcha, I was off by $5k the last year. $3.5 it is then.
This is last year to use amnesty buyout

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Now, being a person's neighbor doesn't mean they know where they will end up, but with Rochester essentially a 45 minute highway drive from Buffalo, it would not be surprising.

I'd like to see NYR reach out for Moulson, or maybe a discounted Myers in that trade. Moulson would be the first player to play for all NY state teams in 1 season.

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Now, being a person's neighbor doesn't mean they know where they will end up, but with Rochester essentially a 45 minute highway drive from Buffalo, it would not be surprising.

I'd like to see NYR reach out for Moulson, or maybe a discounted Myers in that trade. Moulson would be the first player to play for all NY state teams in 1 season.
Signed Callahan for signed Moulson?

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A friend of mine is Callahan's neighbor in Rochester. He says that he's pretty sure that he will end up in Buffalo when it's all said and done.
Assuming Armia, Risto, Zadorov, Girgensons are off the table, I could settle for Foligno (replace Cally's current presence somewhat), Larsson/Compher, and a pick (obviously not their first).

But Buffalo will not be adding. If Callahan is set on Buffalo he will sign there in July.

Edit - Moulson for Callahan is an interesting idea. Think Moulson will be overpaid for what he will be able to do here though. He and Tavares just had incredible chemistry.

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Now, being a person's neighbor doesn't mean they know where they will end up, but with Rochester essentially a 45 minute highway drive from Buffalo, it would not be surprising.

I'd like to see NYR reach out for Moulson, or maybe a discounted Myers in that trade. Moulson would be the first player to play for all NY state teams in 1 season.
Callahan won't get us Myers. We'd have to add. Trading UFAs in Moulson and Callahan though might be a possibility. Although, if Callahan is really dead set on signing in Buffalo, then they'll probably be willing to wait it out until FA.

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im officially not ok with signing girardi and dumping stralman for a few reasons.

first, girardi could bring us back quite a nice package that will help us bigtime now and in the future. he conceivably could bring back more than cally.

that, and stralman locked up on an affordable 4 yr deal to me is worth more than girardi locked up and no stralman and whatever stralman brings us back in a trade.

i just dont get girardi long term in this system. hes a good top 4 guy but hes limited.

i might be in the minority here but i see stralmans game climbing and i see girardis declining.
Stralman is actually more limited offensively than Girardi which is saying a lot.

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The Foligno I want is the one in Columbus, but it's true I don't know why Buffalo would trade young assets for Callahan.

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The Cap will only go from 71m to 75m between 14/15 and 15/16? That is the PA bumper with zero percent growth. I also think 80m is a tad high for 15/16, but the new TV money is coming into play.

Many are predicting that the floor in 15/16 will be what the cap is today.

Also, when predictions is made, they are made pretty good but they obviously don't speculate on which teams will go deep in the PO's. If you predict number X, and then get a lower Y, the numbers guy don't want to stand there saying that he thought Chicago would go deep while it turned out to be PHX and Anaheim playing the conference finals in the West. On the other side of that coin, we all know that the number reported by the league to its owners has been around a mil low every single year. Why? Big market teams goes deep.

We don't know if the NHL has hedged against the Loonie either. I believe its even stipulated in the CBA that the NHL can put some money in a fund to hedge against currency cost. The loonie was real high, don't seem that much of a reach.

Those Mirtle numbers is a joke BTW. He is counting on a 5 percent growth, the NHL's avg growth is 7 percent. Mirtle is not counting on the PA bumper. Despite the NHL averering 7% growth on avg during the worst financial crash ever, Mirtle seem to think he is going on a limb when counting on 5% growth over the course of the CBA. His numbers are also from November 2013.

The world has a debt crisis. The only way to get out of it is to get some inflation going, let the inflation eat up some debt, and do the right things in general. You know. Nobody will let their economy go the Japan route with zero inflation / border line deflation. People have learned, they will print money. Japan was afraid that they couldn't buy up half of the US anymore if they printed money, well China blew past them like no tomorrow and now even they have started to print money.

A business is also not growing like the industrial avg. Many many many business rise and fall flat all the time. When you grow, you grow. 9% on avg during decent years? My point is just, expect growth. Expect a lot of it.

I don't know if we can bank on 80 in two years, seems a bit high but so is the new TV-deal. But bank on a cap around 90m in 17/18. That is just 4 years down the road. How will expension effect the cap? A team in Hamilton will push it up, a team in Bettman territory can push it down some. Will it be a wash-out?
Walsh is the joke. He spent the lockout complaining about the players taking 50%. Somehow they will survive on 50%. November 2013 was 2 months ago. That story was printed after the TV deal. Why do you bring up the FED printing money when discussing the NHL? A few days ago,I mentioned what was reported about cap estimate being lowered by the falling Canadian dollar and you bring up the Fed printing money. I would think that the 2 NHL cap guys who spoke to Elliotte Freidman about the falling dollar would have a good grasp of the issue.

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I'd do Moulson for Callahan in a heartbeat

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Apart from being close to Rochester I don't see any reason why Callahan would want to play for Buffalo. They're literally the worst team in the league and that's with Miller playing lights out game in and game out. If Miller leaves like is probably going to happen that team is absolutely ****ed. All respect to that guy's neighbor but I'll believe it only after I see it.

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I should point out, as an economist, that not all economists agree about inflation. That's as far into the issue as I'll go in a hockey board.

But Ola's point about expecting growth is legitimate due to the expected trends in TV revenue, ticket sales, and more disposable income for city residents.

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Why in the world would the rangers give Callahan 8 years under any circumstances?

Perhaps the thing I love most is the glossed over notion that "they can trade him in 3-4 years". Seen it a lot around here.

The reality of the situation is if the rangers don't want Callahan at age 33-34, nobody else will either
Wanting a player and having room for them are two completely different things and it is impossible to know at this point in time which it will be.

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