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Oh lol. I knew they brought him on as some kind of assistant, just didn't expect him to be in full uniform.
I was in the same situation haha. Knew he'd be there but didn't expect that.

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Gaudin was released after a bad physical in case anyone cares. Probably because he still has carpal tunnel symptoms after surgery, cause carpal tunnel surgeries almost always do not work since they are rooting in the wrong part of the arm. It's a shame, it's probably easily treatable. Also, biceps tendonitis for hamels should not be causing him to miss opening day. That is ridiculous. It is probably not even tendonitis since almost no one actually gets tendonitis but instead get tendinosis, which again, is easily treatable.

But you know, Phillies medical staff.

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Heard yesterday that Hamels injury is a sign of rotator cuff problems. Any truth?

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Heard yesterday that Hamels injury is a sign of rotator cuff problems. Any truth?
The biceps could affect the rotator cuff muscles if it's tightened up. Can't know for sure unless I saw it but my guess is that if you loosened up the biceps, the rest of shoulder problems would probably clear up. Unfortunately, they prescribe rest and ice which will just further restrict range of motion especially when he starts working out again.

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Heard yesterday that Hamels injury is a sign of rotator cuff problems. Any truth?
Rotator cuff/labrum.

I have had bicep tendinitis most of my adult life. It feels better with rest but it always flares up after heavy use, so it essentially never goes away. This year it caught up to me and I could barely get my arm into throwing position sort of like what Halladay was having problems with the last 2 years. Turns out I had a tear in my anterior labrum. Not as serious as a slap tear or rotator cuff damage, but enough to prevent me from throwing at 100%.

This doesn't sound good for Hamels. I hope I'm wrong, but the fact that this news is coming before spring training is concerning. Whenever I hear tendinitis for a pitcher its like hearing a football player has a knee sprain- it almost always turns out to be worse.

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Rotator cuff/labrum.

I have had bicep tendinitis most of my adult life. It feels better with rest but it always flares up after heavy use, so it essentially never goes away. This year it caught up to me and I could barely get my arm into throwing position sort of like what Halladay was having problems with the last 2 years. Turns out I had a tear in my anterior labrum. Not as serious as a slap tear or rotator cuff damage, but enough to prevent me from throwing at 100%.

This doesn't sound good for Hamels. I hope I'm wrong, but the fact that this news is coming before spring training is concerning. Whenever I hear tendinitis for a pitcher its like hearing a football player has a knee sprain- it almost always turns out to be worse.
Just a suggestion, but if you are still suffering from it, you might be interested in going to see someone who is certified in orthopaedic massage. I've seen people recover from years old tears and frozen shoulders with a twenty minute treatment (Which then leads to corrective exercises to keep it that way). I know it sounds crazy especially when you've been suffering from it for so long, but I have seen some great results from it.

Would also like to see the Phillies and other sports teams to try treatment like this but I can't exactly suggest that stuff to them.

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Just a suggestion, but if you are still suffering from it, you might be interested in going to see someone who is certified in orthopaedic massage. I've seen people recover from years old tears and frozen shoulders with a twenty minute treatment (Which then leads to corrective exercises to keep it that way). I know it sounds crazy especially when you've been suffering from it for so long, but I have seen some great results from it.

Would also like to see the Phillies and other sports teams to try treatment like this but I can't exactly suggest that stuff to them.
I never heard of that. I'll have to look into it. My ortho doc pretty much said the only way to completely be relieved is by having the surgery. He said rehab is more of a temporary thing. I'm sure he benefits more if I get the surgery though.

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I never heard of that. I'll have to look into it. My ortho doc pretty much said the only way to completely be relieved is by having the surgery. He said rehab is more of a temporary thing. I'm sure he benefits more if I get the surgery though.
Yeah, I used to think that was the best way too, but a lot of new research is coming out that surgery isn't the best answer (unless its a grade 3 strain or sprain and completely torn off the bone). But it could just be as simple as your biceps are tight, which is pulling on the bones of your shoulder which is causing it to rub on the labrum in your shoulder, therefore causing the tear. So if you loosen up the biceps and strengthen the triceps, it'll take the pressure off the shoulder, and balance things out. Also, getting the scar tissue that has built up in the shoulder going in the right direction will get rid of the pain (Done by a certified therapist of course).

Trying not to get too off topic. I'm still learning a lot of this myself, so I'm not an expert, but this treatment is definitely not witch doctor medicine. It's medically based, researched, and proven, but a lot of people haven't gotten caught up cause it's fairly new (and also some people stand to lose money if it starts really being used). That said, I know that there are professional sports teams that directly work with the guy who is the leader in orthopedic massage. So not only are the Phillies behind when it comes to the numbers side of baseball but also the medical side.

And that drives me nuts. Cause it's one thing if Hamels has an accidental injury and it's another if he has shoulder problems that are preventable but the staff aren't educated on this type of treatment.

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the phillies should just fire the whole staff and hire you... phillies doctors started on the philly.com forums where as you have the pedigree of the HF boards... this is a no brainer

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the phillies should just fire the whole staff and hire you... phillies doctors started on the philly.com forums where as you have the pedigree of the HF boards... this is a no brainer
Not sure if sarcasm...

I never said they should hire me. I just wish they'd look at these new treatments and studies and implement it into their program instead of doing the same they've been doing for decades. I'm tired of guys getting injured, reinjured, or retiring early from things that could be preventable.

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Wait. We signed Burnett to a two year deal?

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Wait. We signed Burnett to a two year deal?
1 year with a player & team option for 2015

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1 year with a player & team option for 2015
Still pleased. I am glad to have him aboard.

The more I'm sleeping on this team, the more I think they COULD compete for a playoff spot (if all the aforementioned ifs happen.)

I don't think the Nationals are that great and the Braves I think still gotta prove they can keep up their winning ways, at least to me.

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Jonathan Pettibone (sore shoulder) had cortisone injection today. Will not throw for five days. #Phillies]

"With all of the exams they have done with him, they don't feel it warrants an MRI," Amaro said. "If he comes back and has more issues, maybe they will. Right now they don't think it is serious enough for an MRI."

So you just inject him with cortisone. I mean that solves everything right. No idea what's going on in his shoulder but just inject him cause I'm sure that'll make everything better. That worked so well with Howard, right? OH WAIT.

EDIT: Cause I've been *****ing at the Phillies for everything, I really do like the Burnett signing. Stairs and Moyer as announcers is cool. So there's something positive.

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Jonathan Pettibone (sore shoulder) had cortisone injection today. Will not throw for five days. #Phillies]

"With all of the exams they have done with him, they don't feel it warrants an MRI," Amaro said. "If he comes back and has more issues, maybe they will. Right now they don't think it is serious enough for an MRI."

So you just inject him with cortisone. I mean that solves everything right. No idea what's going on in his shoulder but just inject him cause I'm sure that'll make everything better. That worked so well with Howard, right? OH WAIT.

EDIT: Cause I've been *****ing at the Phillies for everything, I really do like the Burnett signing. Stairs and Moyer as announcers is cool. So there's something positive.
It sounds weird that they wouldn't give him an MRI, but unless you have some sort of medical training (do you?) and have examined him, I don't really think you can question what the training staff is doing based on what is being reported in the papers. Don't get me wrong, like I said, it sounds weird that they would not give him an MRI, and it may be a mistake, but you and I (unless you do have some medical training) know nothing about the medical field other than what we have read on WebMD or had a doctor tell us at one point or another. I know it is crazy, but these trained professionals that have actually examined him probably have a little bit better insight than us.

Now, if you are a doctor or something, then nevermind, obviously you might have some insight.

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It sounds weird that they wouldn't give him an MRI, but unless you have some sort of medical training (do you?) and have examined him, I don't really think you can question what the training staff is doing based on what is being reported in the papers. Don't get me wrong, like I said, it sounds weird that they would not give him an MRI, and it may be a mistake, but you and I (unless you do have some medical training) know nothing about the medical field other than what we have read on WebMD or had a doctor tell us at one point or another. I know it is crazy, but these trained professionals that have actually examined him probably have a little bit better insight than us.

Now, if you are a doctor or something, then nevermind, obviously you might have some insight.
Not a doctor but a massage therapist. I know that sounds like nothing but while some people prefer to just stick to working at spas, I work in the orthopedic and sports medicine field. So I work with these types of injuries a lot. No offense taken, I just wanted to clear that up.

I have not examined him personally, but I don't like that they are injecting him without know what is happening inside his shoulder. The first thing doctors will jump to is the cortisone injection and that could end up damaging healthy scar tissue. It may not work, it may give him temporary relief, but it could also cause further damage which could result in surgery should he try to push through it and end up with a significant tear.

Me, personally, I'm still studying this stuff so this is all opinion but I have worked with some of the best in this area and I've seen the results and this type of stuff the Phillies are doing seems like old medicine to me. And I think its why these guys keep having lingering problems.

I don't know how Utley figured it out, but along with supplementing it with things like massage, stretching, and rehabilitation, he also did not rest his knees in the offseason. He kept moving, mobilizing that scar tissue in his knees and keeping it from freezing up so that when he got to the regular season, he was no longer in pain. Whereas Pettibone was told to rest and he's still experiencing pain in his shoulder from last year.

I don't want to got to deep into this stuff cause it's not really the place and I don't want to sound like a know it all. I'm really not, I have so much more to learn. But based on what I've been learning over the past couple of years, this kind of makes me think that the Phillies training staff isn't exactly the best in the business.

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Not a doctor but a massage therapist. I know that sounds like nothing but while some people prefer to just stick to working at spas, I work in the orthopedic and sports medicine field. So I work with these types of injuries a lot. No offense taken, I just wanted to clear that up.

I have not examined him personally, but I don't like that they are injecting him without know what is happening inside his shoulder. The first thing doctors will jump to is the cortisone injection and that could end up damaging healthy scar tissue. It may not work, it may give him temporary relief, but it could also cause further damage which could result in surgery should he try to push through it and end up with a significant tear.

Me, personally, I'm still studying this stuff so this is all opinion but I have worked with some of the best in this area and I've seen the results and this type of stuff the Phillies are doing seems like old medicine to me. And I think its why these guys keep having lingering problems.

I don't know how Utley figured it out, but along with supplementing it with things like massage, stretching, and rehabilitation, he also did not rest his knees in the offseason. He kept moving, mobilizing that scar tissue in his knees and keeping it from freezing up so that when he got to the regular season, he was no longer in pain. Whereas Pettibone was told to rest and he's still experiencing pain in his shoulder from last year.

I don't want to got to deep into this stuff cause it's not really the place and I don't want to sound like a know it all. I'm really not, I have so much more to learn. But based on what I've been learning over the past couple of years, this kind of makes me think that the Phillies training staff isn't exactly the best in the business.
Ok, well at least you have some background in it. Haha. I really know nothing on the subject and will defer to the medical professionals regardless of what they are doing.

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Phillies wake up to some awful PR news.

They turned in one of their draft picks to the NCAA for working with an agent. Per NCAA rules, if a player hires an agent or works with them, they would no longer be considered an amateur and be able to play in college (unless allowed by the NCAA), apparently this practice is hardly done, but has been done over the last two years by the Phils.

Seems like a really ****** way to draft college kids.

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They turned in one of their draft picks to the NCAA for working with an agent. Per NCAA rules, if a player hires an agent or works with them, they would no longer be considered an amateur and be able to play in college (unless allowed by the NCAA), apparently this practice is hardly done, but has been done over the last two years by the Phils.

Seems like a really ****** way to draft college kids.
Haha, yeah I just saw this. At the same time though, the kid was violating the rules. However stupid you may think they are, the rules are the rules.

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Why are the Phillies so hesitant to give MRIs? Is it a money thing? Do MRIs cause some sort of damage that I don't know about? Where's the harm?

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Haha, yeah I just saw this. At the same time though, the kid was violating the rules. However stupid you may think they are, the rules are the rules.
Except that everybody does it. Its common practice and almost never reported on. Except our Phillies have to be the super ******* of the MLB. Thanks for making them even more unlikable. I've never wished so much pain and agony on a person more than Amaro. He truly is the worst human on earth.

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Except that everybody does it. Its common practice and almost never reported on. Except our Phillies have to be the super ******* of the MLB. Thanks for making them even more unlikable. I've never wished so much pain and agony on a person more than Amaro. He truly is the worst human on earth.
Are you sure other teams have not reported this? And again, even if you don't like the rules or other people aren't following the rules, doesn't mean you don't have to follow them. It was definitely 100% a dick move by the Phillies. No argument from on that. They should not have reported him (I mean, what do they gain from that?). On the other hand, the kid was breaking the rules and he should not have engaged the services of an agent.

Also, and I don't know the answer to this, but are there any possible ramifications from the Phillies POV if it were found out that they knew he had an agent but didn't say anything? There may be some duty under the CBA or whatever agreement they might have with the NCAA to notify the NCAA if this happens.

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Are you sure other teams have not reported this? And again, even if you don't like the rules or other people aren't following the rules, doesn't mean you don't have to follow them. It was definitely 100% a dick move by the Phillies. No argument from on that. They should not have reported him (I mean, what do they gain from that?). On the other hand, the kid was breaking the rules and he should not have engaged the services of an agent.

Also, and I don't know the answer to this, but are there any possible ramifications from the Phillies POV if it were found out that they knew he had an agent but didn't say anything? There may be some duty under the CBA or whatever agreement they might have with the NCAA to notify the NCAA if this happens.
No idea, but the only "gain" I can see is that any NCAA players that negotiate with them will be black & white, signing or not signing, no middle ground.

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I changed my avatar yesterday, and it would seem just in time for that NCAA/Phils story.

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Phillies wake up to some awful PR news.

They turned in one of their draft picks to the NCAA for working with an agent. Per NCAA rules, if a player hires an agent or works with them, they would no longer be considered an amateur and be able to play in college (unless allowed by the NCAA), apparently this practice is hardly done, but has been done over the last two years by the Phils.

Seems like a really ****** way to draft college kids.
It's really hard for me to get mad at someone for reporting a violation of the rules when it becomes apparent to them. They're not required to, but ethically, this is an incredibly slippery slope if MLB teams are routinely ignoring violations of amateur status.

Should they allow violations of drug rules? steroid policy? What if a draft pick committed a serious major crime that they become aware of?

I sit on a couple ethics boards in my profession and it has definitely made me more in-tune with people not turning a blind eye to clear violations.

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