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Why isn't Cecil Dillon in the HHOF when Bun Cook and Lynn Patrick are?

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01-13-2014, 09:38 PM
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Why isn't Cecil Dillon in the HHOF when Bun Cook and Lynn Patrick are?

Over at HFNYR, we've been compiling lists of the best NYR wingers, and currently a few of us are trying to sort through where to put Cecil Dillon, Lynn Patrick, and Bun Cook.

Compared to Patrick and Cook, Dillon has more AST selections, a retro Smythe, and at least comparable top point and goal finishes. However, Patrick and Cook are both in the hall of fame, and Dillon is not. Can anyone provide any insight on why?

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I don't really know the reasons but I'll throw some factors out.

Both Cook (1995) and Patrick (1980) were inducted long after they played - in fact both were deceased when inducted, as were many of their contemporaries. So their induction is more of an indication of how they were remembered 50 years after their careers than anything.

It may also be important that Lynn Patrick and Bun Cook were both very well connected. Patrick was, of course, a Patrick, one of hockey's leading families, and he had a long career in NHL management after playing. Bun Cook played on a famous line and had a long and successful AHL coaching career after retiring. It's very possible those factors played a part in their inductions.

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When it comes to borderline HHoFers, it never really pays to compare who's in and who's out directly, because that is not how the selection committee works. Dillon (Along with contemporary Paul Thompson) had a stellar career, but nothing about it demanded an HHoF induction. He was not an iconic player of his era. Cook and Patrick got in for other reasons most likely, be it connections, or being more celebrated and known.

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Maybe it was due to him playing under the shadows of the Cook brothers and Frank Boucher. Joe Pelletier's bio on him said he was one of the most underrated players of his day.

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Over at HFNYR, we've been compiling lists of the best NYR wingers, and currently a few of us are trying to sort through where to put Cecil Dillon, Lynn Patrick, and Bun Cook.

Compared to Patrick and Cook, Dillon has more AST selections, a retro Smythe, and at least comparable top point and goal finishes. However, Patrick and Cook are both in the hall of fame, and Dillon is not. Can anyone provide any insight on why?
First of all, you need to remember that Bun Cook was selected in the Veteran Player Category, and those selections are among the weaker selections in the Hall's history.

As for Patrick versus Dillon, Patrick did miss two seasons to the war, and that was probably considered, plus Patrick led the NHL in goals once, which Dillon never did, and was second in points twice. So you can see how he'd be rated ahead of Dillon.

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Maybe it was due to him playing under the shadows of the Cook brothers and Frank Boucher. Joe Pelletier's bio on him said he was one of the most underrated players of his day.
Yes I read that as well. Dillon one of the first US born (though raised in Thornbury near Collingwood Ontario) players to play in the NHL.... and Frank Boucher. Interesting character. Had been with the RCMP out in Western Canada. Quite the raconteur. Fit right in with Red Fisher at the Tall Tale Capital of the World; Scuttlebutt Lodge. Apparently most of his stories which amused Dillon to no end complete & utter fabrications of his days as a Mountie.

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I can see the case for Cook over him but not really Patrick over him. Hopefully he'll get in some day.

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Over at HFNYR, we've been compiling lists of the best NYR wingers, and currently a few of us are trying to sort through where to put Cecil Dillon, Lynn Patrick, and Bun Cook.

Compared to Patrick and Cook, Dillon has more AST selections, a retro Smythe, and at least comparable top point and goal finishes. However, Patrick and Cook are both in the hall of fame, and Dillon is not. Can anyone provide any insight on why?
I thought Patrick went in for more of being a builder then a player?

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I thought Patrick went in for more of being a builder then a player?
Lynn Patrick, the nephew of Player inductee Lester Patrick, and son of Builder inductee Frank Patrick.

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Lynn Patrick, the nephew of Player inductee Lester Patrick, and son of Builder inductee Frank Patrick.
And even if it was Lester we're talking about, he's very deserving as a player alone.

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