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02-01-2014, 04:59 PM
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LA overpaid vastly for Richards.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but the fact that they won a cup probably means they don't see it as overpayment

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I think this is a legitimate question to ask ourselves now:

Is it better for the Rangers to get a very good return back for Cally, given that the price will surely escalate with so many teams in it now...

Or simply resign him on a decent deal that would appease most fans and have just him for the next 5-6 years?

Its an honest discussion. At this point its fair to think that even if he wants to resign for the right terms, what you get back could be better for the team - longterm - if the bidding gets to where the Rangers want it. Lets face it. He's all the talk right now and the media is helping turn up the hype machine for the Rangers.

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IMO if slats gave someone permission to speak to the agent it's because he's got a deal worked out

For the reasons rangerboy mentioned above

And Hagelin is a much better Defensive player than cally these days

And Richards and brassard are far more important to the team now their powerplay abilities alone. Callahan actually doesn't even play on the PP anymore he lost that job too

I can't imagine a 6 million dollar forward not good enough to play on either of his teams powerplay units. Kinda backs my point. He's prob the the 8th or 9th best forward on team
He should play the PP. He has more power play points than Nash and Pouliot, who both have solid spots, and he's proven to be one of the best players on the PP in front of the net for a number of years. Kreider is better at it than he is, and that's great, but both units need a net front presence.

Agree to disagree I guess.

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I think this is a legitimate question to ask ourselves now:

Is it better for the Rangers to get a very good return back for Cally, given that the price will surely escalate with so many teams in it now...

Or simply resign him on a decent deal that would appease most fans and have just him for the next 5-6 years?

Its an honest discussion. At this point its fair to think that even if he wants to resign for the right terms, what you get back could be better for the team - longterm.
I don't think it is good asset management to sign Callahan to the deal he wants. Anything over 5 would be absurd, but obvious he isn't going to sign that. You might not be able to move him again later for a good return if his new contract is viewed as an albatross; you need to strike while the iron is hot.

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LA did not give up a first round pick in the Richards trade.
Correct they got a second round pick.

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I would be intensely displeased with that contract.

I really hope we just trade him.
Agreed. Callahan's best value to the Rangers right now is being traded in a sign and trade deal if we can find a willing partner to give up a first rounder and either a very good prospect or cost-controlled roster player.

6 million a year for Callahan's skillset is absurd. I'd have a hard time going over 4.75, personally. 5 years is too much for him, as well. Drury all over again.

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At the time, those pieces hadn't developed
This is true. I forget that Simmonds career high was 16 goals when he was traded. I guess I just think of him how he is now. Shenn was a blue chip prospect though.

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Nieto's from Long Beach which is So Cal, nowhere near SJ. That's like saying Callahan has local ties to Manhattan.

Etem's from Orange County so he does have local ties to Anaheim.

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I think this is a legitimate question to ask ourselves now:

Is it better for the Rangers to get a very good return back for Cally, given that the price will surely escalate with so many teams in it now...

Or simply resign him on a decent deal that would appease most fans and have just him for the next 5-6 years?

Its an honest discussion. At this point its fair to think that even if he wants to resign for the right terms, what you get back could be better for the team - longterm - if the bidding gets to where the Rangers want it. Lets face it. He's all the talk right now and the media is helping turn up the hype machine for the Rangers.
It could also be terrible for the team. We traded Leetch for what was considered a pretty good return, 2 prospects and 1st and 2nd; what did we end up with, SFA. there's a distinct possibility that if/when we trade Cally we end up being down a very solid top 9 winger with nothing to show for it but broken dreams and lots of angry words on a message board

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I think this is a legitimate question to ask ourselves now:

Is it better for the Rangers to get a very good return back for Cally, given that the price will surely escalate with so many teams in it now...

Or simply resign him on a decent deal that would appease most fans and have just him for the next 5-6 years?

Its an honest discussion. At this point its fair to think that even if he wants to resign for the right terms, what you get back could be better for the team - longterm - if the bidding gets to where the Rangers want it. Lets face it. He's all the talk right now and the media is helping turn up the hype machine for the Rangers.
To be honest I think he's good as gone after hearing Joe last night say, "We wish him good luck...", I don't remember the exact quote but I did think right after, Callahan is gone.

Now I'd love to keep him but obviously not at what he wants. So it comes to the package. If the Blues offer up Stewart, a prospect and a pick can you really turn that down? We all gripe about the team not being tough, well there's toughness and some goals.

I've accepted the fact that he's probably being traded, I just hope the package works out. Sather has to get a roster player that fits and a prospect that works out for the fans to be satisfied IMO.

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Nieto's from Long Beach which is So Cal, nowhere near SJ. That's like saying Callahan has local ties to Manhattan.

Etem's from Orange County so he does have local ties to Anaheim.
Agree and disagree. I think a hockey player coming out of California is a big deal to any California team, and would be considered local as a result (or at least claimed as such). I do think Nieto would be easier to get than Etem AINEC.

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Why are people taking this so personally. It's a business.

Callahan is at his best when he's hitting, forechecking, blocking shots and going to the net. He's been taking a beating doing it, and if he keeps playing that way, he's going to keep paying for it. He would have to reinvent himself as a skill forward if he wants to stick around and be as durable as an Iginla or a Doan.

Adam Graves was a similar player. He was done at 31. Done.



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Why are people taking this so personally. It's a business.

Callahan is at his best when he's hitting, forechecking, blocking shots and going to the net. He's been taking a beating doing it, and if he keeps playing that way, he's going to keep paying for it. He would have to reinvent himself as a skill forward if he wants to stick around and be as durable as an Iginla or a Doan.

Adam Graves was a similar player. He was done at 31. Done.
And even then, Callahan has never come close to the success that Graves had with this team. Do you we forget that Graves had a 50+ goal season while Callahan's best season was barely eclipsing a 30 goal pace?

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I think this is a legitimate question to ask ourselves now:

Is it better for the Rangers to get a very good return back for Cally, given that the price will surely escalate with so many teams in it now...

Or simply resign him on a decent deal that would appease most fans and have just him for the next 5-6 years?

Its an honest discussion. At this point its fair to think that even if he wants to resign for the right terms, what you get back could be better for the team - longterm - if the bidding gets to where the Rangers want it. Lets face it. He's all the talk right now and the media is helping turn up the hype machine for the Rangers.
What you get back could also be far worse longterm.

As much as everyone may want a rebuild of some degree, the team isn't set up for that right now at all. Hank just got a huge extension. They just traded MDZ to get an older, steadier defenseman. All signs indicate that they're going to resign Girardi. This is the way a team acts when they're confident that they're almost there. Whether they actually are or not is a question, but they've already made moves as if they are and we can't go back in time now. Given all that, I'd rather have depth scoring on the wings and some tenacious play today than young players or picks that may make the league a few years down the road, or other teams throwaways, like Stewart. If it were a blank slate maybe a year ago, or at the beginning of this season, maybe trade him and make some other moves to really get a new core going.

That said, if someone actually makes a very good offer for him, you take it. I haven't heard any serious talks about an offer that was even close to good yet though.

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Why are people taking this so personally. It's a business.

Callahan is at his best when he's hitting, forechecking, blocking shots and going to the net. He's been taking a beating doing it, and if he keeps playing that way, he's going to keep paying for it. He would have to reinvent himself as a skill forward if he wants to stick around and be as durable as an Iginla or a Doan.

Adam Graves was a similar player. He was done at 31. Done.

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Completely agree with regarding Graves, but as fans, of course it is personal for us, it's not our business it's our passion/hobby/escape/whatever


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I agree, what else do they have?
Alex Wennberg, their 1st, Boone Jenner, that's about it.

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5 teams that scouted us last night:

Detroit
Toronto
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Montreal
Tampa Bay

I'd take it one of those teams has been granted rights to talk with his agent. We had 2 scouts at Montreal Boston a couple nights ago... presuming it is them.

Paccioretty makes sense.
For Montreal it doesn't.

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Oh please man. Get a clue yourself. The Rangers were playing tough hard hockey dating back back to at least the beginning of 2010-2011. Don't try calling me a super fan and playing me like that. I know Ive watched, I know what Im talking about.

THat is exactly why they fired Renney, I think there are direct quotes stating they wanted a coach who would help bring that out in the entire team more consistently. Callahan, Dubinsky, Staal, Girardi, those 4 guys and Hank were almost solely responsible for the Rangers even being competitive, and the FO decided they needed a coach who would demand it from the rest of the team.
Oh. Sorry. I had no idea that you knew what you had watched. I guess I can't top that argument.

The Rangers were a team that lacked skill and had no hope of winning unless they thoroughly outworked the team. That dates back to the year after Jagr left the team. The team started mailing it in, and the coach got fired. Since you watch and know what you're talking about, I take it you remember the team getting trashed by Dallas with absolutely zero response from the players? This team looked average again last season. They had far too many nights where they didn't show up for the game.

Where is the coach who demanded that effort level now? Yeah, he's gone too.

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So you can give crap to people but can't take it? You'll fit right in around here.

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Seriously, can we have some honestly here. That is what those guys were bringing. And the rest of the team needed to match it, so Renney was let go and they brought in torts

Additionally those two inferior teams A) one of them washington had just beaten the #2 seed boston in &, and B) the senators, with nearly the same time wiped the floor with the #2 seed Canadians. Those teams weren't bad teams. You want to talk about trendy. Its trendy to say the 2011-12 team was bad bc they had difficulty in a playoff series (which they end up winning) against teams that were better than anyone gives credit to. You want to say that style is unsustainable, I'd admit the rangers didn't have enough in the tank when it came time to the devil series. I'm honest man, I'm not saying what I'm saying simply bc it sounds good. It's the truth.
Please. It's trendy to have a realistic opinion of that team? The only "trendy" thing is kissing the ass of a mediocre team because they worked so hard and came close to having a chance to win something. You're part of the same "rah rah work ethic" crowd that the MSG spin machine panders to every day. If that's being "honest" then I'm glad I'm not drinking the Kool-Aid.

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Can we stop acting like Graves was a HHOFer? He had a career .53 PPG and had one anomalous 50g season. His career was overrated based upon one ridiculously good season. Callahan in reference has a career .56 PPG playing without a generational centerman in a lower scoring era on worse Rangers teams. I certainly don't think it's disrespectful to compare Callahan and Graves, they're pretty similar players. I know Callahan sucks now because he's rumored to be leaving, but geez.

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It's rumored that they've been shopping him since the offseason.
Not for Callahan. They would want Staal or Girardi with Callahan in any deal there.

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Oh please. 11-12 was the exception to the rule. That team had a coach that beat the effort into them night after night, and after one successful season, they flopped and then got their coach fired. I love whenever someone questions the battle level of the team, some self proclaimed superfan comes in and starts rattling on about the 11-12 season. A season where we barely beat two inferior teams in 7 game series only to get bounced by another weak team in the ECF. A season where had we not had a hot start, we would have been a bubble team AGAIN.

So the team competed under Renny, but they fired him because they wanted MORE compete level? How does that make any sense.

Joke's on you. Get a clue.
Let's not make up staff (there're plenty of reasonable arguments for trading Cally already). Torts was not fired for lacklaster play of the Rangers under him). Similarly, Cally was not part of the established (veteran) leadership that allowed the team to play without intensity under Renney. He was actually among the rare exceptions that brought more effort than the rest of the players. His effort and intensity game in and out is what was made him become team's captain in the first place because he never was the most talented player during his tenure here.


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Let's not make up staff (there're plenty of reasonable arguments for trading Cally already). Torts was not fired for lacklaster play of the Rangers under him). Similarly, Cally was not part of the established (veteran) leadership that allowed the team to play without intensity. He was actually among the rare exceptions that brought more effort than the rest of the players. His effort and intensity game in and out is what was made him become team's captain in the first place because he never was the most talented player during his tenure here.
Yet he wants to be paid like one. Not trying to hijack your post or anything, I just think the money and term Cally is asking for is far out.

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Hoping this stretches on for a few more days, and 4 more teams become heavily interested. The Rangers need as many trading partners as possible to get this to where it needs to be. He's going to be traded.

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