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Be A GM post-draft scouting

I've had some time lately after moving so I spent that time searching and organizing all of the "hidden gem" prospects for the 2014 draft. I will be updating it up until the 2016 draft just in case there are some young 16 year old players in the system.

Hopefully this post-scouting report comes in handy when drafting and you can find some of those perfect depth prospects, stars or trading chips.
They are organized into three categories - First round draft picks, goalies and the "hidden gems."

First round draft picks:
2014 Draft Year:
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Blake Richard 5g* 1st round 1st ovr || G HYB 20 6'2" 161lbs
Sam Reinhart 4.5g* 1st round 2nd ovr || C PLY Right 18 6'2" 186lbs
Tyson Teichmann 5g* 1st round 3rd ovr || G HYB Left 21 6'2" 156lbs
Aaron Ekblad 4.5g* 1st round 4th ovr || D TWD Right 18 6'3" 208lbs
Nikita Scherbak 4green* 1st round 5th ovr || RW SNP Left 18 6'2" 176lbs
Roland McKeown 4green* 1st round 6th ovr || D OFD Right 18 6'2" 181lbs
Nick Ritchie 4green* 1st round 7th ovr || LW PWF Left 6'3" 207lbs
Tyson Baillie 4green* 1st round 8th ovr || C TWF Right 18 5'11" 192lbs
Matt Mistele 4green* 1st round 9th ovr || LW PWF Left 18 6'2" 172lbs
Ty Edmonds 4green* 1st round 10th ovr || G HYB Left 17 6'2" 180lbs
Blake Siebenaler 4green* 1st round 11th ovr || D OFD Right 18 6'2" 185lbs
Jonas Muller 3.5green* 1st round 12th ovr || D TWD Left 18 6'1" 174lbs
Leon Draisaitl 4g* 1st round 13th ovr || LW PLY Left 6'1" 211lbs
Jacob Blair 4g* 1st round 14th ovr || G HYB Left 19 6'3" 168lbs
Stefan Leblanc 3.5green* 1st round 15th ovr || D OFD Left 18 6'0" 191lbs
Louis-Philip Guindon 3.5green* 1st round 16th ovr || G HYB Left 19 6'0" 163lbs
Alex Nedeljkovic 3.5green* 1st round 17th ovr || G HYB Left 18 6'1" 186lbs
Frank Hora 3.5green* 1st round 18th ovr || D TWD Right 18 6'2" 189lbs
Jake Virtanen 4g* 1st round 19th ovr || RW SNP Right 17 6'2" 212lbs
Andrew D'Agostini 3.5green* 1st round 20th ovr || G HYB Left 21 5'10" 171lbs
Jordan Papirny 3.5green* 1st round 21st ovr || G HYB Left 18 6'1" 177lbs
Josh Wesley 3.5green* 1st round 22nd ovr || D TWD Right 18 6'3" 197lbs
Raphael Maheux 3.5g* 1st round 23rd ovr || D TWD Left 17 6'2" 211lbs
Michael Dal Colle 4g* 1st round 24th ovr || C PLY Left 18 6'3" 185lbs
Eetu Laurikainen 3.5green* 1st round 25th ovr || G HYB Left 21 5'10" 167lbs
Ben Thomas 3.5green* 1st round 26th ovr || D TWD Right 18 6'2" 194lbs
Devin Williams 4.5g* 1st round 27th ovr || G HYB Left 18 5'11" 162lbs
28th pick was a 3 green star AHL prospect.
Daniel Cotton 4.5g* 1st round 29th ovr || G HYB Left 20 6'3" 180lbs
30th pick was a 3 gold star AHL prospect.


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Goaltenders past round one:
2014 Draft Year:
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Sascha Rochow 4.5g* 2nd round 32nd ovr || G HYB Left 19 5'11" 185lbs
Tuukka Smura 4g* 2nd round 36th ovr || G BUT Left 19 6'3" 206lbs
Coleman Vollrath 4g* 2nd round 39th ovr || G HYB Left 19 6'0" 143lbs
Philippe Cadorette 3.5g* 2nd round 46th ovr || G HYB Left 19 5'11" 170lbs
Julio Billia 3.5g* 2nd round 50th ovr || G HYB Left 18 6'1" 154lbs
Philippe Trudeau 3.5g* 2nd round 54th ovr || G HYB Left 20 6'5" 199lbs
Troy Trombley 3.5g* 2nd round 55th ovr || G HYB Left 19 6'6" 215lbs
Daniel Wapple 3.5g* 2nd round 58th ovr || G HYB Left 19 6'0" 177lbs
Mason McDonald 3.5g* 3rd round 64th ovr || G HYB Right 18 6'4" 159lbs
Lucas Peressini 3.5g* 3rd round 67th ovr || G HYB Left 18 6'3" 188lbs
Robert Steeves 3.5g* 3rd round 71st ovr || G HYB Left 21 6'0" 160lbs
Matthew Greenfield 3.5g* 3rd round 72nd ovr || G HYB 19 6'2" 190lbs
Brandon Hope 3.5g* 3rd round 73rd ovr || G HYB Left 20 6'0" 189lbs
Chase Marchand 3.5g* 3rd round 76th ovr || G HYB Left 18 6'1" 171lbs
Domenic Graham 3.5r* 3rd round 83rd ovr || G HYB Left 19 6'0" 156lbs
Patrik Polivka 3.5r* 3rd round 89th ovr || G HYB Left 20 6'1" 173lbs
Payton Lee 3.5r* 4th round 91st ovr || G HYB Left 18 6'1" 178lbs
Robin Kuonen 3.5r* 4th round 92nd ovr || G HYB Left 20 5'9" 163lbs


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"Hidden gems" between rounds two to seven:
2014 Draft Year:
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Josh Ho-Sang 4g* 2nd round 31st ovr || RW PLY Right 18 5'10" 152lbs
Anthony DeAngelo 4g* 2nd round 33rd ovr || D OFD Right 18 6'0" 172lbs
Alexis Pepin 4g* 2nd round 34th ovr || LW PWF Left 18 6'2" 196lbs
Haydn Fleury 4g* 2nd round 35th ovr || D TWD Left 17 6'2" 176lbs
Jared McCann 4g* 2nd round 37th ovr || C TWF Left 18 6'1" 176lbs
Sam Bennett 4g* 2nd round 38th ovr || LW TWF Left 18 6'0" 163lbs
Colton Bobyk 4g* 2nd round 40th ovr || D TWD Left 18 6'2" 185lbs
Jakub Vrana 4g* 2nd round 41st ovr ||  LW SNP Left 18 6'1" 181lbs
Ivan Barbashev 3.5g* 2nd round 42nd ovr || LW PLY Left 18 6'1" 180lbs
Brycen Martin 3.5g* 2nd round 43rd ovr || D TWD Left 18 6'3" 163lbs
Jayce Hawryluk 4r* 2nd round 45th ovr || C PLY Right 18 5'10" 195lbs
Nikolaj Ehlers 4r* 2nd round 47th ovr || LW PLY Left 18 5'11" 179lbs
Carl Neill 3.5g* 2nd round 48th ovr || D OFD Right 18 6'1" 202lbs
Vincent Praplan 3.5g* 2nd round 52nd ovr || LW SNP Right 20 5'11" 193lbs
Brayden Point 3.5g* 2nd round 56th ovr || C PLY Right 18 5'11" 162lbs
Chase Clayton 3.5g* 2nd round 57th ovr || C PLY Left 20 5'10" 165lbs
Spencer Watson 3.5g* 2nd round 59th ovr || LW SNP Left 18 5'11" 161lbs
Brent Andrews 3.5g* 2nd round 60th ovr || C TWF Left 21 6'1" 206lbs
Julius Honka 4.5r* 3rd round 61st ovr || D OFD Right 18 6'0" 177lbs
Nikolay Goldobin 3.5g* 3rd round 63rd ovr || RW PLY Left 18 6'0" 148lbs
Justin Kirkland 3.5g* 3rd round 65th ovr || LW TWF Left 17 6'3" 191lbs
Matej Beran 3.5g* 3rd round 66th ovr || C TWF Left 20 6'5" 211lbs
Aaron Haydon 3.5g* 3rd round 68th ovr || D DFD Right 18 6'3" 190lbs
Kyle Jenkins 3.5g* 3rd round 69th ovr || D OFD Left 18 6'1" 173lbs
Brendan Lemieux 4r* 3rd round 81st ovr || LW PWF Left 18 6'1" 212lbs
Marc-Oliver Brouillard 3.5r* 3rd round 82nd ovr || LW PLY Left 21 5'9" 168lbs
Rihards Bukarts 3.5r* 3rd round 84th ovr || LW TWF Right 18 5'11" 188lbs
Lawrence Pilut 3.5r* 3rd round 85th ovr || D TWD Left 18 5'11" 168lbs
Travis Sanheim 3.5r* 3rd round 86th ovr || D DFD Left 18 6'3" 191lbs
Ryan MacInnis 3.5r* 3rd round 87th ovr || C PWF Left 18 6'4" 188lbs
Philippe Sanche 3.5r* 4th round 93rd ovr || C PLY Right 19 5'5" 150lbs
Mason Geertsen 3.5r* 4th round 94th ovr || D DFD Left 18 6'3" 193lbs
Alexandra Goulet 3.5r* 4th round 108th ovr || LW TWF Left 18 6'0" 192lbs


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This is fantastic thanks a lot. I love whenever non online game threads come up.

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More please!

Well, I might do it. Got the 2015 draft coming up in my BAGM season.

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Nice work OP.

While it's worth noting that many names on that list might be computer generated, and thus different from each person's different GM mode, many of those names are real names with locked in potentials.

Very handy. Thanks dude

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Not sure how to post this easily, best I thought to do was host a picture (let me know if there's an easier way to do this). Will post each round, but I'll attach the spreadsheet I developed following the 2015 draft. I'll post the screen-grabs, then give a couple observations. Also, I'm pretty sure your ovr's will turn out a little different given the progression system is hard to figured out. The 2015 draft shaped up like this (and it's slightly different each time, but the top-5 was always the same)...

(potential is "R" for red, "Y" for yellow and "G" for green; the highlighted names are either a "sleeper" or guys I was targeting in that round)

1st Round -

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File Type: xlsx Draft 2015.xlsx‎ (24.7 KB, 17 views)

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Round 2...


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This looks like it works... the rest...

Round 3...




Round 4...




Round 5...




Round 6...




Round 7...


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So, a couple of post-draft observations...

1) The CPU is almost locked-in when it's drafting from the 2nd round on. Almost every team gets a 3R guy in round 3, almost everyone gets a 2.5Y guy in round 4 and so-on. I ran it a couple of times and the same names kept coming up. In rounds 1 and 2, however, there was some (dramatic in some case) variation in when players would go. I ended up taking Gauthier a little higher than what's seen here, just so I could be sure I'd get him. In one go round he dropped out of the 1st round. In another, he went around #20. I was also targeting Altshuller around there and he had the same variation in draft position. All of this means though...


2) No such thing as a "sleeper". Look how uniform those potentials are... the CPU GMs seem to know exactly where a guy should be drafted. The lone exception might be Rehak in the 6th round, and that's really only because he started with a decent ovr. He might not be the same rating two seasons into your BAGM.


3) This draft class is WEAK. Outside of the top-16 guys (and even some of them are "meh" because they start so freaken low with their ovr's), there's not much value to be had. If you haven't started your 2014-15 season and have yet to get the "... this class sucks..." assessment from your scouts, I'd try to trade for future picks, or put a premium on one of those top-15, 1st round picks. Of the guys I drafted, only Gauthier looks like he'll ever be on my NHL roster. The other guys might not crack my AHL lineup.


4) Every player drafted (I think) is a 2Y or better. And that's almost a default pot rating for a rookie. In this year, and I'll be sure to see if it keeps in the coming season, the difference between a 4th and 7th round pick is almost nil. Might be smart to load up on 7th rounders and gain some GM goodwill by selling off you mid and later round picks.


Those are my take-aways. Any observations you all want to add or see that I missed?

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This is really awesome stuff man! Wish I'd seen it before I did my 2014 draft but oh well. One thing I would say though is that my scout came back and told me this (2015) will be a good year for rookies. Did you have any variation in this regard or did your scout always come back and say it'll be a crapshoot?

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From what I recall, Julius Honka in 2014 and Daniel Sprong in 2015 are ALWAYS 4.5 reds that come outside of the first round. I think Honka goes around the early thirties and Sprong is in the middle/end of the third.

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So, a couple of post-draft observations...

1) The CPU is almost locked-in when it's drafting from the 2nd round on. Almost every team gets a 3R guy in round 3, almost everyone gets a 2.5Y guy in round 4 and so-on. I ran it a couple of times and the same names kept coming up. In rounds 1 and 2, however, there was some (dramatic in some case) variation in when players would go. I ended up taking Gauthier a little higher than what's seen here, just so I could be sure I'd get him. In one go round he dropped out of the 1st round. In another, he went around #20. I was also targeting Altshuller around there and he had the same variation in draft position. All of this means though...


2) No such thing as a "sleeper". Look how uniform those potentials are... the CPU GMs seem to know exactly where a guy should be drafted. The lone exception might be Rehak in the 6th round, and that's really only because he started with a decent ovr. He might not be the same rating two seasons into your BAGM.


3) This draft class is WEAK. Outside of the top-16 guys (and even some of them are "meh" because they start so freaken low with their ovr's), there's not much value to be had. If you haven't started your 2014-15 season and have yet to get the "... this class sucks..." assessment from your scouts, I'd try to trade for future picks, or put a premium on one of those top-15, 1st round picks. Of the guys I drafted, only Gauthier looks like he'll ever be on my NHL roster. The other guys might not crack my AHL lineup.


4) Every player drafted (I think) is a 2Y or better. And that's almost a default pot rating for a rookie. In this year, and I'll be sure to see if it keeps in the coming season, the difference between a 4th and 7th round pick is almost nil. Might be smart to load up on 7th rounders and gain some GM goodwill by selling off you mid and later round picks.


Those are my take-aways. Any observations you all want to add or see that I missed?
Phenomenal.

I normally hate these sorts of thread (half the fun of the draft is making sure you make the most of your pics and get that really good pick, and not knowing what players are what).

But when someone grinds and works their ass off like you did, for the betterment of the community, bravo.

Well done man.

Few things - the highlighted names, are they the ones that you selected?

I've also noticed the "cpu locked in" in the later rounds of the draft. Not sure why that is.

Looking at your data is very disappointing though - a 100% lack of any late gems in the year 2 draft. I wonder if this changes once you move forward and get into the CPU generated prospects.

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Phenomenal.
... Looking at your data is very disappointing though - a 100% lack of any late gems in the year 2 draft. I wonder if this changes once you move forward and get into the CPU generated prospects.
First, thanks, was doing it anyways to see if there was any point to holding onto (or trading for) any pick after round 2 (and it really looks like there's not).

Next, highlighted guys were players that stood out to me. Didn't have a pick, nor roster room, for anyone but Gauthier, Pederson Hiroven in the early rounds and I traded away my picks between them and the 7th (for virtually nothing more than good will and an extra 7th) and took Rehak, Needham and Leverton. Two years removed and Gauthier is a 81 overall sniper who is neck-and-neck with some dude on Nashville in the Calder Trophy race. Of all the others, only Rehak and Leverton look like they'll ever crack my NHL lineup. Pederson, Hiroven and Needham haven't developed at all.

I wanted to do a couple of these as I still can't figure out the scouting in this game. It's almost like all of the other teams will always know more than you. I've finally maxed out my amateur scouting in the 2016/17 season, so I'll be doing the same analysis of that draft to see if it looks as scripted or automatic as this one. From what I can see, scouting doesn't matter much at all. Some teams get slightly more here or there, but overall, there's not much difference between the players taken in each round. There's only moderate variation between the rounds themselves and virtually none after round 3 or 4. It seems like the game relies on the dice roll that affects potential or development to create the "hidden gem" aspect. It's not immediately known post draft when you've got an uncut diamond, but you should be able to go off more than random chance.

With these being the case, in any blind draft I'm doing going forward I'm just taking as many 17-19 year olds as I can so I can have more time to development them in the CHL (where they seem to take bigger jumps in development anyways). I won't go beyond 5-10 picks away from the default pick, because the cpu seems to always know more than me.

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There are definitely flaws in the scouting system, no doubt.

First of all - overall and potential are probably the 2 biggest single factors that real teams look at when considering who to select at the draft.

And yet those 2 are the hardest / most impossible pieces of information to find on a prospect that you are trying to scout.

I also wish the CPU was a bit wiser to positional needs - the game loses a lot of it's immersed qualities when Edmonton skip on Ekblad in favor of a 3.5-gold red star winger. They need D. They have an abundance of wingers. They leave the best D available, and pick an average winger instead?

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There are definitely flaws in the scouting system, no doubt.

First of all - overall and potential are probably the 2 biggest single factors that real teams look at when considering who to select at the draft.

And yet those 2 are the hardest / most impossible pieces of information to find on a prospect that you are trying to scout.

I also wish the CPU was a bit wiser to positional needs - the game loses a lot of it's immersed qualities when Edmonton skip on Ekblad in favor of a 3.5-gold red star winger. They need D. They have an abundance of wingers. They leave the best D available, and pick an average winger instead?

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Well, you can find out the overall Of most of the first two rounds by playing the CHL prospects game and going to edit lines.


Outside of that, it is impossible to know the overall or potential, or any indication of either, until after the draft.

I'm at the end of the 2016/17 season so I'll run some draft tests tonight and report back.

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Much appreciated, man. This is great and so useful.

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I also wish the CPU was a bit wiser to positional needs - the game loses a lot of it's immersed qualities when Edmonton skip on Ekblad in favor of a 3.5-gold red star winger. They need D. They have an abundance of wingers. They leave the best D available, and pick an average winger instead?

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THIS. During my Be A GM the Avs had Mackinnon, Stastny, Duchene, Sam Reinhart and Connor McDavid.......

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THIS. During my Be A GM the Avs had Mackinnon, Stastny, Duchene, Sam Reinhart and Connor McDavid.......
Yeah, that's just crazy.

Another recent example was in my 2019-2020 draft, where Washington had the 1st overall pick because their starting and backup goaltender were both 74 overall with no potential improvement.....

Using that 1st pick to select a 4.5-star green center, which isn't all that bad of a pick, until you consider that 2nd overall was a 5-star green goaltender with 81 overall.

Would be nice if you could look into a team and see what their needs generally were and see some common sense approaches in the draft.

I saw New Jersey pass on a similar goaltending stud once Cory Schneider retired leaving them with 3 or 4 goalies in the mid 70s range.

Game loses a lot of it's immersion and fun factor, when GMs make stupid decisions like that remind you that the AI is flawed

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From what I recall, Julius Honka in 2014 and Daniel Sprong in 2015 are ALWAYS 4.5 reds that come outside of the first round. I think Honka goes around the early thirties and Sprong is in the middle/end of the third.
Honks usually goes in the third round for me and Sprong is usually top 10

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Honks usually goes in the third round for me and Sprong is usually top 10
Do they both top out at 83 overall for anyone else?

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Are you guys ever able to getting anything of value for your 3rd-7th round picks? This spreadsheet basically solidifies that these picks are useless in the game.

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Are you guys ever able to getting anything of value for your 3rd-7th round picks? This spreadsheet basically solidifies that these picks are useless in the game.
Not really. I haven't done a deep dive to see if any of the 3 or 2.5 red star prospects develop or not in the drafts after 2015. The guys here then seem to have development destiny or range that they always achieve. The cpu generated guys are a crapshoot in my experience. The only late rounders I've seen develop still max around low 80's, so that's not exactly finding Byfuglien or Pavelski in the 7th round. The only guys worth taking have to be rated in the 70's and the only way to know that is to auto draft, find them, then reset and draft them... which I feel dirty doing.

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