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05-27-2016, 04:52 PM
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Russian NHL All-Time Team

Who makes your 22 man roster if you're putting together an all-time team of Russian/Soviet NHL stars? Basing this solely off of their body of work in the NHL.

I go:

Ovechkin-Federov-Bure
Kovalchuk-Malkin-Kovalev
S. Kozlov-Datsyuk-Mogilny
Samsonov-Larionov- Makarov

Gonchar-Fetisov
Malakhov-Zubov
Markov-Kasparaitis

Nabokov
Khabibulin

Bout as skilled a collection of forwards as you're going to find. Would be fun to see something similar done for Sweden, Finland, and Czech/Slovak as well. What say you?

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05-27-2016, 08:27 PM
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I'd say thats one Hell of a line-up. Thats what.

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Why would Malakhov be there over Konstantinov?

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Off the top of my head:

Mogilny - Fedorov - Bure
Ovechkin - Malkin - Kovalchuk
Kamensky - Datsyuk - Tarasenko
Larionov - Yashin - Kovalev
Zhamnov, Makarov, Kucherov

Gonchar - Zubov
Konstantinov - Markov
Yushkevich - Kasparaitis
Fetisov, Malakhov, Tverdovsky

Nabokov
Khabibulin
Bobrovsky

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05-27-2016, 11:13 PM
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Yea, the only real notable omission I'd say is Konstantinov. Yashin is probably the biggest forward omission but he was always a bit of a loser and it means moving Feds or Dats to wing. Tarasenko and Kucherov are young but I also like them more than I ever did Samsonov.

Gonchar, Zubov, Markov and Konstantinov are the defense locks in my mind, and then there's a bunch of guys who could work. I like Malakhov if he's at his best, but you couldn't really go wrong with any combo of Zhitnik, Yushkevich, Fetisov, the Mironovs, or Tverdovsky. Not a big Kasparaitis fan. I would probably go with Yushkevich, Fetisov and Zhitnik as the last two spots and extra D.

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05-28-2016, 03:37 AM
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Who makes your 22 man roster if you're putting together an all-time team of Russian/Soviet NHL stars?
If we're taking the Soviet road (instead of the Russian) we can add Arturs Irbe and Sandis Ozoliņ to the roster.

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05-28-2016, 09:08 PM
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I agree with your list. though I would say if you're looking for an ideal team

Brylin is a great 4th liner, and Volchenkov could be a good 3rd pairing guy

Of course if we just mean best players they wouldn't be included

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05-28-2016, 10:35 PM
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Few names that deserve the spot:

Konstantinov, Kasatonov and Mironov on the blue line

Zhamnov, Semak, Nemchinov, Vik Kozlov and Yashin at center

Zelepukin, Kvartalnov, Lomakin, Slava Kozlov on the wings...

LOL and Prokhorov and Selivanov, of course

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mogilny-feds-bure
radulov-malkin-kovalev
kovalchuk-datsyuk-tarasenko
panarin-kuznetsov-kucherov (i know they are all young, but great players with bright futures.. **knock on wood)

konstantinov-zubov
gonchar-malakhov
markov-voynov

khabibulin
bobrovsky

that's 20 guys, so 2 more spots for extras.

yashin, zhitnik

for these two extra spots i'd also consider (zhamnov, afinogenov, s.kozlov, larionov, nemchinov, kamensky, kasperaitis, makarov, fetisov, anisimov, tyutin, volchenkov, bryzgalov, varlamov)


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Who makes your 22 man roster if you're putting together an all-time team of Russian/Soviet NHL stars? Basing this solely off of their body of work in the NHL.

I go:

Ovechkin-Federov-Bure
Kovalchuk-Malkin-Kovalev
S. Kozlov-Datsyuk-Mogilny
Samsonov-Larionov- Makarov

Gonchar-Fetisov
Malakhov-Zubov
Markov-Kasparaitis

Nabokov
Khabibulin
I see what you did there! You went "Soviet/Russian". Here's a 23-man line-up that could kick their ass.

Oh yeah, it's a "Russian/Soviet" squad:

coach Anatoli Tarasov

Valeri Kharlamov - Alexander Maltsev - Boris Mikhailov
Anatoli Firsov - Vladimir Petrov - Helmuts Balderis
Alexander Yakushev - Vyacheslav Starshinov - Sergei Kapustin
Vladimir Krutov - Vladimir Shadrin - Vladimir Vikulov
Veniamin Alexandrov, Boris Mayorov

Valeri Vasiliev - Alexei Kasatonov
Vladimir Konstantinov - Vladimir Lutchenko
Vitaly Davydov - Sandis Ozolinsh
Nikolai Sologubov

Vladislav Tretiak
Jiri Holecek
I am not Russian or Soviet. In fact, my father fought as a Hungarian freedom fighter in the 1956 revolt against Soviet rule that failed, and so he emigrated to Canada.
But I'm also a 12-year all-time drafter at HfBoards and know this thread needs a wake-up call.

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05-29-2016, 03:51 AM
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Oh, and by the way. There has never been a "Federov".


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05-29-2016, 04:03 AM
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Oh, and by the way. There has never been a "Federov".
Yes, but neither has there ever bee a Soviet goaltender named Jiri Holecek.

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Yes, but neither has there ever bee a Soviet goaltender named Jiri Holecek.
LOL. You are right if you pretend 1968 didn't happen.

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Hrm defense is pretty underwhelming. I think Sweden and Canada's current defense crop at the world cup might be better than the all time Russian one. Same thing for goalies

Of course forwards are insane - but only to an extent. Very top heavy but by the 4th line or so a bit less so.

Curious to see how the depth of other countries compare (except Canada which is obvious).

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I did this a few months ago (while I was bored @ work )

CCCP on the left, Russia on the right

I don't know how I forgot Zubov
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bure feds mogilny
ovechkin malkin tarasenko
chubarov larionov datsyuk
kovalchuk '95 zhamnov makarov

zubov vlady
andrei markov gonchar
yushkevich kaspar*

bulin
bob

eating popcorn: kucherov, malakhov (for his slapshot alone, but maybe better to take fetisov for his gravitas), nabby or maybe bryz (don't really care which one but maybe bryz for comic relief)


* or zhitnik if he counts, but did he play for russia ever? i don't recall.

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* or zhitnik if he counts, but did he play for russia ever? i don't recall.
Yes, he did play for Russia a few times.

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Yes, he did play for Russia a few times.
thanks. then definitely zhitnik over kaspar. kaspar was an unbelievable pest (ask mario or jags), but limited on both ends of the ice and prone to unbelievably stupid mistakes. whereas i never saw anyone keep up with and neutralize bure like zhitnik (as a rookie, no less). plus he was quite good at moving the puck, which kaspar wasn't, to put it kindly.

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I did this a few months ago (while I was bored @ work )

CCCP on the left, Russia on the right

I don't know how I forgot Zubov
Common mistake

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Zhitnik played in 2 Olympics.

The Unified Team in 1992, and Russia in 1998.

However, look at this photo from an All-Star game.


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LOL. You are right if you pretend 1968 didn't happen.
You mean the Soviet invasion in 1968? Not sure what that has to do with it. Holeček wasn't a Soviet but a Czechoslovak in any way.

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Zhitnik played in 2 Olympics.

The Unified Team in 1992, and Russia in 1998.
He also played for Russia at the 1992, 1996 and 2000 World Championships and the 1996 World Cup of Hockey.

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However, look at this photo from an All-Star game.
(...)
Not too surprising. Peter Bondra used to be listed under "Ukraine" (based on place of birth) on nhl.com for the longest time.

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kovalchuk '95 zhamnov makarov
I really like this line. I think that they would have been a great match. Makarov and Zhamnov certainly seemed to have good chemistry when they played together on the same line (with Kozlov as the third part) during the 1991 WHC. Both the 32-year old Makarov (10 pts in 8 gp) and the 20-year old Zhamnov (9 pts in 10 gp) had a relatively productive tournament. Here is some of that lines scoring plays from the tournament.

Kozlov, Zhamnov and Makarov combines before Fetisov scores.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goiaKbpeEuw&t=20m39s

Makarov assists on Zhamnovs goal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rhlvlu7VM5c&t=17m7s

Zhamnov, Kozlov and Makarov combines before Makarov finds Kasatonov who scores.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rhlvlu7VM5c&t=34m7s

The Kozlov-Zhamnov-Makarov line has a great shift on the powerplay at the end of which Kozlov scores.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goiaKbpeEuw&t=54m26s


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22 people?

Ovechkin-Fedorov-Bure
Kovalchuk-Malkin-Kovalev
Kamensky-Datsyuk-Mogilny
Nemchinov-Larionov-Makarov
Kucherov

Gonchar-Fetisov
Zhitnik-Zubov
Markov-Konstantinov
Ozolinsh

Irbe
Khabibulin

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22 people?
Thats some serious talent, depth... Who would you have behind the bench? Russian.

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Thats some serious talent, depth... Who would you have behind the bench? Russian.
We are only going by the NHL record, and I believe only two Russians held (assistant) coach position: Fetisov and Bilyaletdinov. So it's them by default. But I would go with Larry Robinson and Scotty Bowman. Both understood the Russian system well.

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