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02-03-2014, 04:56 PM
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Canadians lost this due to Gallagher. They had momentum built after the Gionta goal, but his penalty with 1 minute left in the second allowed the Jets to regroup & having an extra man going into the third gave the Jets to take the lead. His next penalty with 6 minutes left when the Jets were on their heals again provided Winnipeg time to breathe and regroup.

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As for the controversial last minute:

1) Gallagher's first inclination should have been to clear the zone. He didn't. Skating through the crease, behind Montoya was certainly not the fastest exit path. He did this in the attempt to draw a penalty, get a whistle & create a PP with an o-zone faceoff. Not the worst of ideas with so little time left on the clock.

Almost worked! But he clearly interferes with Montoya, so lets start this breakdown of events by giving Gallagher the penalty, one he deserved & what would have been his fourth of the game.

Montoya then clearly gives him some stick work. Let's add to the penalties, Montoya gets one. Coincidental minors? Likely but we're not done.

Bogosian comes to the aid of his goaltender & interferes with Gallagher, who is standing against the goal post & then clearly embellishes the incident, so coincidental minors again.

As Gallagher attempts to stand & he skates himself into a quick thinking and WELL positioned Trouba as he attempts to finally leave the zone.

In a perfect world, all penalties end up neutralized. A pretty unbiased description of the events as they unfolded.

As a result of his "feisty" play, valuable time was being knocked off the clock while this incident played out.....& that's all on Gallagher, not the Jets or the officials.

There's a difference between being a hard working player & being a ***** disturber.

Lesson Gallagher should be taking is to clear the zone when offside, that refs have memories & that karma is a ******!


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02-03-2014, 05:11 PM
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Canadians lost this due to Gallagher.
Stopped reading right there.

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02-03-2014, 05:22 PM
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Stopped reading right there.
Glad you stopped writing before something offensive was penned......

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Philip Seymour Hoffman could've done better on that play...

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Kerry Fraser's take on the incident. Pretty much echoes my description, until Trouba gets involved.

http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/kerry_fraser/?id=442918

Fraser asserts a penalty should have been called on Trouba, but none prior to either side. Having access to additional video footage likely helped in making this assessment. I've yet to see an angle showing Trouba coming off the bench to interfere as he suggests.

EDIT: Found the angle Fraser refers to. Reverse camera angle is provided near the end of this clip as a replay at about the 40 second mark.

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02-03-2014, 06:41 PM
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1) Gallagher's first inclination should have been to clear the zone. He didn't. Skating through the crease, behind Montoya was certainly not the fastest exit path.
Uh... yes it was. Bogosian to the left and front, Montoya at the top of his blue paint and directly in front, open crease and entire side of the ice to the right. Watch your video a few more times without a jet stream watering your eyes, and tell me honestly you still believe what you just wrote here. Hell, Montoya turns, looks at Gallagher and initiates contact with Gallagher with the forearm of his trapper arm, lol. Presumably because Montoya didn't like having the net partially tipped on him, but Montoya is the one who actually went out of his way to make sure there was all of a sudden no room behind him for Gallagher to escape after putting the net back on the peg himself.

There was almost 4 feet of room (the entire blue paint) for Gallagher to get through there after righting the net, if Montoya doesn't turn and choose to interfere with him from there. Then there's Trouba...

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02-03-2014, 07:02 PM
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Uh... yes it was. Bogosian to the left and front, Montoya at the top of his blue paint and directly in front, open crease and entire side of the ice to the right. Watch your video a few more times without a jet stream watering your eyes, and tell me honestly you still believe what you just wrote here. Hell, Montoya turns, looks at Gallagher and initiates contact with Gallagher with the forearm of his trapper arm, lol. Presumably because Montoya didn't like having the net partially tipped on him, but Montoya is the one who actually went out of his way to make sure there was all of a sudden no room behind him for Gallagher to escape after putting the net back on the peg himself.

There was almost 4 feet of room (the entire blue paint) for Gallagher to get through there after righting the net, if Montoya doesn't turn and choose to interfere with him from there. Then there's Trouba...
Bogo managed to clear himself from the scrum behind the net (which involved more embellishment from Gallagher) and find open ice just fine. Watch his head....Gallagher skates thru the crease because his eyes are focused on the ref for the non-call. There's clearly no hustle in his step whatsoever when his focus should be zone exit. All he is focused on is getting a penalty call. TSN & Kerry Fraser agree from a non partisan vantage point that this was the case.

As for Trouba, I agree that this was most definitely deliberate interference , I even provided conclusive video evidence in my last post.

Gallagher has earned a reputation in a very short time span of being a diver. In this same game he does more of it in the first period.

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In the above videos he literally throws himself into the boards behind the net. Pretty disgraceful to play up a non-existent hit from behind. Does a disservice to anyone who has ever had season/career ending concussion. If he wants to be known as a diver, let him fall down at centre ice all he wants, but any fakery involving boarding & charging is reprehensible.

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02-03-2014, 07:03 PM
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Bogo managed to clear himself from the scrum behind the net (which involved more embellishment from Gallagher) and find open ice just fine. Watch his head....Gallagher skates thru the crease because his eyes are focused on the ref for the non-call.
The entire time you're focusing on this, you're missing all the frames where Montoya looks back once, looks back again, raises his trapper and approaches Gallagher before he even gets untangled from the net, heads for the gap behind Montoya (who is out beyond his crease) and before his right foot even enters the blue paint. How many shots does a goalie get to take on a player in these cases, btw?

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Canadians lost this due to Gallagher. They had momentum built after the Gionta goal, but his penalty with 1 minute left in the second allowed the Jets to regroup & having an extra man going into the third gave the Jets to take the lead. His next penalty with 6 minutes left when the Jets were on their heals again provided Winnipeg time to breathe and regroup.

As for the controversial last minute:

1) Gallagher's first inclination should have been to clear the zone. He didn't. Skating through the crease, behind Montoya was certainly not the fastest exit path. He did this in the attempt to draw a penalty, get a whistle & create a PP with an o-zone faceoff. Not the worst of ideas with so little time left on the clock.

Almost worked! But he clearly interferes with Montoya, so lets start this breakdown of events by giving Gallagher the penalty, one he deserved & what would have been his fourth of the game.

Montoya then clearly gives him some stick work. Let's add to the penalties, Montoya gets one. Coincidental minors? Likely but we're not done.

Bogosian comes to the aid of his goaltender & interferes with Gallagher, who is standing against the goal post & then clearly embellishes the incident, so coincidental minors again.

As Gallagher attempts to stand & he skates himself into a quick thinking and WELL positioned Trouba as he attempts to finally leave the zone.

In a perfect world, all penalties end up neutralized. A pretty unbiased description of the events as they unfolded.

As a result of his "feisty" play, valuable time was being knocked off the clock while this incident played out.....& that's all on Gallagher, not the Jets or the officials.

There's a difference between being a hard working player & being a ***** disturber.

Lesson Gallagher should be taking is to clear the zone when offside, that refs have memories & that karma is a ******![/QUOTE]

Lol.
Gallagher didn't touch Montoya at all. In fact Montoya swing at him (roughing), then gave him another shot (roughing again), Bogosian comes in a push Gallagher who at that point was trying to get away only for Bogo to stand infront of him (impeding him from leaving the zone, interference). Trombone comes onto the ice skating towards Gallagher and turns right into him (interference again).

If anything Gallagher gets 2 for embellishment (cuz he did a bit) and Winterpeg gets 8 for all the shenanigans. Also ref gets fined and suspended for that sequence.

That's unbiased. Just like Kadri should have got 5 and a game for boarding and a suspension.

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02-03-2014, 07:37 PM
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Canadians lost this due to Gallagher. They had momentum built after the Gionta goal, but his penalty with 1 minute left in the second allowed the Jets to regroup & having an extra man going into the third gave the Jets to take the lead. His next penalty with 6 minutes left when the Jets were on their heals again provided Winnipeg time to breathe and regroup.


As for the controversial last minute:

1) Gallagher's first inclination should have been to clear the zone. He didn't. Skating through the crease, behind Montoya was certainly not the fastest exit path. He did this in the attempt to draw a penalty, get a whistle & create a PP with an o-zone faceoff. Not the worst of ideas with so little time left on the clock.

Almost worked! But he clearly interferes with Montoya, so lets start this breakdown of events by giving Gallagher the penalty, one he deserved & what would have been his fourth of the game.

Montoya then clearly gives him some stick work. Let's add to the penalties, Montoya gets one. Coincidental minors? Likely but we're not done.

Bogosian comes to the aid of his goaltender & interferes with Gallagher, who is standing against the goal post & then clearly embellishes the incident, so coincidental minors again.

As Gallagher attempts to stand & he skates himself into a quick thinking and WELL positioned Trouba as he attempts to finally leave the zone.

In a perfect world, all penalties end up neutralized. A pretty unbiased description of the events as they unfolded.

As a result of his "feisty" play, valuable time was being knocked off the clock while this incident played out.....& that's all on Gallagher, not the Jets or the officials.

There's a difference between being a hard working player & being a ***** disturber.

Lesson Gallagher should be taking is to clear the zone when offside, that refs have memories & that karma is a ******!
Thank you so much for your clear and unbiased analysis of our power forward's vicious attacks on the sticks and elbows of your diminutive and defenseless players.

Since you are a NOOB, you likely linked the wrong video inadvertently, since the one you actually posted shows a clear roughing / crosschecking / interference penalty of sufficient force to knock the cage over at the time you suggest Gallagher intentionally delayed his exit from the zone.

As for skating through the blue paint, obviously the video you're watching does not clearly show Montoya intentionally backing up and hitting Gallagher's head with an elbow, the momentum of which carried him into the crease, where he was generously gifted a second illegal elbow to the head.


Bogosian, seeing this unholy attack of Gallagher's face to his goalie's padded elbows, skates in and with great Jets sportsmanship hugs Gallagher to demonstrate his patience with the degenerate acts of his foe. Even better, the future Lady Byng winner, Montoya, cemented his award with a very friendly reach-around, which as I understand it, is an ongoing locker room tradition in Winnipeg. There is no penalty for a friendly reach-around.

As Gallagher was trying to extricate himself from his indictable actions and yet again clear the zone, as he scurried like a rodent, Bogosian again assisted by delivering a generous assist with his stick to help propel Gallagher to the air where there is much less friction, and would hasten his exit across the line. Kudos!

Finally, as that Irish terrorist, Gallagher, attempts to flee again he is bravely interfered with by the brave Trouba who would have preferred the friendly reach-around but was asked to be monogamous by his coach.

Thank God for the saintly Jets whose sportsmanship and skill place them at the very pinnacle of Sainthood!

James, I truly salute your expertise and fairness. Come back soon!

What would Lord Chezz add?...

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Possibly nothing. Sometimes a post is perfect, and the GTFO ain't needed.

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If Gallagher doesn't play up the scrum with Bogo behind the net in the first place, he'd have cleared the zone.

If he wasn't eyeing the ref for that call he'd never have put himself in a position to have gotten stuck in the Jets net by Monty or Bogosian & have cleared the zone.

No call is coming & he his focus was still on the ref & continues by "tripping" in hopes his 3rd attempt will finally pay off. Sorry. In total he looks at the ref 7 times for a call.

"Play the game hard & good things will happen."

It's only when he actually decides to do this & attempts to get back onside where he actually creates a penalty. Funny how that works. The only time he earns a call is when he isn't baiting one into happening. Sadly no call.....I wonder why??

Much like his former Vancouver Giants teammate, Evander Kane has spent too much time questioning referees. Kane's never been a diver though, just nauseous with his verbal diarrhea. His entire game is significantly better now that he's focused on the game itself & given up on complaining about & to the officials.

http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/kerry_fraser/?id=442918

Anyways I hope Montreal regains its form from earlier in the season & put themselves back in a top spot in the Atlantic division.


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...and literally two hours later Rob Ray, Buffalo Sabres Color Commentator and former NHLer, on Off The Record on TSN, called out Fraser and laughed at the "blatant penalty with the ref staring straight at it"...as did Ray Ferraro, another TSN commentator & former NHLer...your team got away with one, be happy about it and away ya go...

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If Gallagher doesn't play up the scrum with Bogo behind the net in the first place, he'd have cleared the zone.

If he wasn't eyeing the ref for that call he'd never have put himself in a position to have gotten stuck in the Jets net by Monty or Bogosian & have cleared the zone.

No call is coming & he his focus was still on the ref & continues by "tripping" in hopes his 3rd attempt will finally pay off. Sorry. In total he looks at the ref 7 times for a call.

"Play the game hard & good things will happen."

It's only when he actually decides to do this & attempts to get back onside where he actually creates a penalty. Funny how that works. The only time he earns a call is when he isn't baiting one into happening. Sadly no call.....I wonder why??

Much like his former Vancouver Giants teammate, Evander Kane has spent too much time questioning referees. Kane's never been a diver though, just nauseous with his verbal diarrhea. His entire game is significantly better now that he's focused on the game itself & given up on complaining about & to the officials.

http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/kerry_fraser/?id=442918

Anyways I hope Montreal regains its form from earlier in the season & put themselves back in a top spot in the Atlantic division.
How much crap will you spew out in order to defend an obvious poor decision?

Say what you will about Gallagher's intentions, there is no rule that says ''being a disturber'' should earn you a penalty or make it okay for the opponents to hit you. None.
So even if you want to argue that Gallagher was the one that was looking for crap (and he wasn't, but let's say he was for the sake of the argument), it is not a penalty. Punching a player, however, should NEVER be allowed.

Montoya deserved a penalty. This is not debatable. You give two punches to a player that isn't even engaging you, I see no reason as to why this should be accepted.
Bogosian also comes to create a bit of interference, he trips him. It's behind the play, puck is far away, I can see why it's not called. But interference is interference.
You want to give Gallagher a penalty for embellishment there, fine.
Trouba off the bench with all the ice in front of him, just happens to get in Gallagher's way and ''accidentally'' hits him? Sure...

That was some bush league decision. But that's not why we lost anyways. Not scoring gets you nowhere and the referees in the NHL always make crap calls.
Stop trying to spin this around. Plenty of calls go uncalled, it's the way it is.

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...and literally two hours later Rob Ray, Buffalo Sabres Color Commentator and former NHLer, on Off The Record on TSN, called out Fraser and laughed at the "blatant penalty with the ref staring straight at it"...as did Ray Ferraro, another TSN commentator & former NHLer...your team got away with one, be happy about it and away ya go...
And the thing the refs have to realize is that they forced themselves to publicly and openly ignore two or three infractions for the sake of not calling Gallagher for the one penalty if they thought he embellished in some way expecting Bogosian to get called for that hit (?). If it wasn't a bad hit, and you're not going to call Gallagher OR Bogosian for anything, how is it even excusable to let everything from Montoya, back to Bogosian, and then on to Trouba go without a call? How much are the refs actually allowed to allow their opinions of players affect the standards of their officiating, and thus potentially outcomes of any number of close games? I would have assumed very little before they so blatantly showed their cards with that one.

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