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Trading David Bolland is a "real" possibilty for Leafs

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02-05-2014, 12:21 PM
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Those crying "ploy" are absolutely hysterical. As if GM's are going to do anything different because Dreger said something about the Leafs.

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02-05-2014, 01:17 PM
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Crazy things happen when a player hits the open market in July. I bet Bolland could sign a $25 million dollar deal in July if he wasn't picky about where he goes.
When does any one get paid less in Toronto, they pay 3rd liners over 5 like Clarkson and Lupul. Kessel and Phaneuf aren't playing for less. Nonis should man up and trade all their UFA's it's been needed for years, they can't afford to lose these guys for nothing. And they don't have the cap space to sign them.

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02-05-2014, 01:32 PM
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Will always be a fan of Bolland's. Hope he cashes in this free agency regardless of what team he ends up with. With his injury history you never know how long a career will last.
Exactly this. Love the guy, but anything more than $4M/season or 4 years in length is an absolute mistake.

He's worth $10M over 3 years -- that's it.

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02-05-2014, 01:43 PM
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Exactly this. Love the guy, but anything more than $4M/season or 4 years in length is an absolute mistake.

He's worth $10M over 3 years -- that's it.
I concur with this assessment of Bolland's market value.

even though he's potentially slotted as a third line center, I can't help but think we devalue him because of it. If he were slotted second, this would be different story.

Unfortunately, he's a victim of his versatility.

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#Leafs and Dave Bolland expected to start contract talks this weekend when Olympic break starts

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02-05-2014, 02:40 PM
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When does any one get paid less in Toronto, they pay 3rd liners over 5 like Clarkson and Lupul. Kessel and Phaneuf aren't playing for less. Nonis should man up and trade all their UFA's it's been needed for years, they can't afford to lose these guys for nothing. And they don't have the cap space to sign them.
Lupul's +PPG pace for the last 70 games at the time of his extension sure disagrees with your assessment. And yes, Dion would have gotten over $7M in FA. I never understand people like you who say we can't afford to lose these guys when we are continually tapping the FA market for solid 2nd & 3rd line talent on the cheap - McClement, Raymond, Macarthur, Bozak, etc.... seems like we're doing just fine. Manning up and trading our UFAs at this point would be tantamount to decimating our forward depth and seriously jeopardizing our playoff chances - fat chance Nonis decides to take a drunken stroll down this road. And, I feel now is a good time to remind you that this is above all else a business, and one that rakes in more profit in the post season that any other team in the league. Hard to stack that up against what would be a couple 2nds and 3rds from our pending UFAs.

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02-05-2014, 02:53 PM
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Some guy in the main board said that Bolland was going to sign with the leafs!

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Toronto would be wise to hang on to Bolland. He's a warrior in the playoffs.

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Toronto would be wise to hang on to Bolland. He's a warrior in the playoffs.
I don't think it's an issue of them wanting him or not but if he's financially viable

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id honestly give him up to 5 mil.

Guy is one hell of a player

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02-05-2014, 03:29 PM
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I concur with this assessment of Bolland's market value.

even though he's potentially slotted as a third line center, I can't help but think we devalue him because of it. If he were slotted second, this would be different story.

Unfortunately, he's a victim of his versatility.
He's a victim of injuries imho...that's what holding him back from establishing himself as a legit #2 C.

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02-05-2014, 03:37 PM
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id honestly give him up to 5 mil.

Guy is one hell of a player
$5 million is a little much for a 3rd line center who routinely gets injured.

considering bozak is locked up and kadri is likely not going anywhere, they were saying that it would be difficult to lock up another center considering torontos center depth is considered to be poor and in need of upgrade.

as an example, it might be a better investment to pay someone like stastny $6.5 then bolland $5. at least stastny is a top 6 center. imo no matter how well bolland plays he is a very good 3rd line center who is extremely injury prone.

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He's a victim of injuries imho...that's what holding him back from establishing himself as a legit #2 C.
Bolland's injuries aren't what prevent him from becoming an effective #2 centre.... it's the way he generates offence.

He's not a creative player and has poor offensive zone vision. He generates his offence from generating turnovers. It makes him a great 3rd line C, but quite ineffective 2nd line centre, simply because a 2nd line has to be able to control the play.

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He's a victim of injuries imho...that's what holding him back from establishing himself as a legit #2 C.
Even when healthy, Bolland was not a legit 2C. And he got to play with Kane/Sharp as his wings -- still didn't work.

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i'd wait to see how/if he can skate before i made him any offer

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Bolland is strictly a 3C

would give him 3 year up to 12 million or 4 year up to 15.

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id honestly give him up to 5 mil.

Guy is one hell of a player
If Bolland demands 5 million then Bowman is a genius for selling him high last offseason. 5 million is wayyyy too much for an injury prone 3C.

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Bolland is strictly a 3C

would give him 3 year up to 12 million or 4 year up to 15.
I wouldn't give him more than 3.5 million a year. I think he's worth 2.8 on a two year deal, and then we can move him two years from now. Holland would be his replacement, so a trade is also a strong possibility. I'd say he's worth a 1st, but he's on an injury, so who knows how much he's worth coming off of it? Frankly, I'd take a 2nd and maybe a prospect and run away with it if we can get that.

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Per Matt Brown of Sportsnet/FAN590

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#Leafs and Dave Bolland expected to start contract talks this weekend when Olympic break starts

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If he's traded, he will be traded at the deadline I guess. Well I'd like to see him resigned for 2-4 years at no more than 3-3.5 million.

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02-05-2014, 06:17 PM
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id honestly give him up to 5 mil.

Guy is one hell of a player
In leaf dollars he deserves up to 7mil. Imagine a 15 million dollar 3rd line of of Bozak, Bolland and Clarkson. That would be hilarious. Leafs won't disappoint in terms of overpaying him.

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Give him 1 Year @ 4M Per, and see how he does next season.

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02-05-2014, 07:02 PM
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i think this reaffirms what dreger was saying.

if nonis cant get bolland signed to something reasonable then he will likely keep him as his own "rental" or look to move him.

personally, im conflicted on the matter. bolland is a useful player to have but his injuries are a legitimate concern. i suspect because of his injuries his agent is going to try and get him as long a contract as possible in order to give him financial security. i hope nonis draws his line in the sand at 3 years. its not necessary to lock up 3rd line players for 5+ years.

if nonis cant sign him even though i know he would help the leafs in the playoffs i woudl rather nonis try and recover some of what he paid for him and cut his loses. the leafs are a long shot at best in the playoffs so i would rather give someone like holland the experience and take my chances. i would be comfortable if nonis could get a 2nd for him and roll with something like,

jvr-bozak-kessel
lupul-kadri-kulemin
raymond-holland-clarkson
ashton-mclemment-bodie/smith/damigo

i cant see orr or mclaren dressing for playoffs, what could they possibly add.

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