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02-09-2014, 04:23 AM
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2 summers ago, the consensus on nhl radio on xm was that Stewart was going to lead the nhl in goal scoring. He was a lock for 40 and had a legit shot at 50

That was the argument, how much he would lead the league in goal scoring by. The experts on xm were unanimous in their praise of him.
Well I don't really know who these experts were on xm radio or what makes them the be-all and end-all of determining players' potential, but I don't really care about what he's supposed to be in some panel's eyes'. I care about what he is now, which is a streaky power forward capable of scoring 25 goals a season, give or take 5. There's a reason Lucic got paid, Clowe got paid, and Clarkson got paid. It's a valuable commodity that few teams have but every team wants. The Oilers downfall is their lack of variety in their top 6. You need those big players to compliment the small, skilled ones.
Everybody that was calling for Clarkson last offseason should be all for getting Stewart.

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02-09-2014, 05:06 AM
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Well I don't really know who these experts were on xm radio or what makes them the be-all and end-all of determining players' potential, but I don't really care about what he's supposed to be in some panel's eyes'. I care about what he is now, which is a streaky power forward capable of scoring 25 goals a season, give or take 5. There's a reason Lucic got paid, Clowe got paid, and Clarkson got paid. It's a valuable commodity that few teams have but every team wants. The Oilers downfall is their lack of variety in their top 6. You need those big players to compliment the small, skilled ones.
Everybody that was calling for Clarkson last offseason should be all for getting Stewart.
Clarkson plays a bit different game he's a little tougher and plays a little chippier. In games where either one is having an off game I think Clarkson does more to involve himself in the play. Stewart though is the far superior talent and he is actually a surprisingly good fighter.

I was pretty much leading the parade against trying to acquire him last off-season, I just felt he was playing a bit over his head in the shortened season and wouldn't keep it up. Now that he has taken a step back down more in line with his career norm, it would be a great time to acquire him, Blues have a great team and they need to ensure they keep the core of their team together and can't have many players who aren't carrying their weight from a payroll perspective.

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02-09-2014, 05:52 AM
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http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/blogs/jonas_siegel/?id=443384

Leo Komarov wants back in the NHL. Anyone see him play? I don't think I have.
Apparently he's a chippy bottom-6 pest.

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http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/blogs/jonas_siegel/?id=443384

Leo Komarov wants back in the NHL. Anyone see him play? I don't think I have.
Apparently he's a chippy bottom-6 pest.
Komarov would be an awesome signing. I just think that he is going back to the leafs.

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02-09-2014, 07:28 AM
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Leo Komarov wants back in the NHL. Anyone see him play? I don't think I have.
Apparently he's a chippy bottom-6 pest.
I'd love him in the bottom six. He was physical and hit everything that moved, played on the PK and was generally a good pest.

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Hypothetically if Spezza is available, would you be interested? If so, what would you guys be willing to give up?

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Hypothetically if Spezza is available, would you be interested? If so, what would you guys be willing to give up?
Ottawa is probably looking for a center as part of the return package. So that leaves us with RNH or Gagner.

RNH is hands off in that deal, so that leaves Gagner. What would we have to add to Gagner to make it work for Ottawa.

Gagner+Eberle+Klefbom
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Spezza+Cowan

Is something I look at, but again Spezza is only locked down till the end of next year. Might be a tad overpayment on our behalf as well.

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I keep hearing about this Fedor Malykhin in europe. Would he be a good fit for the Oilers

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Ottawa is probably looking for a center as part of the return package. So that leaves us with RNH or Gagner.

RNH is hands off in that deal, so that leaves Gagner. What would we have to add to Gagner to make it work for Ottawa.

Gagner+Eberle+Klefbom
for
Spezza+Cowan

Is something I look at, but again Spezza is only locked down till the end of next year. Might be a tad overpayment on our behalf as well.
Spezza and Cowen are struggling mightily.

I am very much in the trade Eberle camp, but not for that return.


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Ottawa is probably looking for a center as part of the return package. So that leaves us with RNH or Gagner.

RNH is hands off in that deal, so that leaves Gagner. What would we have to add to Gagner to make it work for Ottawa.

Gagner+Eberle+Klefbom
for
Spezza+Cowan

Is something I look at, but again Spezza is only locked down till the end of next year. Might be a tad overpayment on our behalf as well.
I like spezza but no chance I'd make that trade at all.

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Gagner + EDM 1st for Schenn + Couturier

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N. Schultz for 2nd rounder... Hemsky for 3rd+

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02-09-2014, 05:19 PM
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Ottawa is probably looking for a center as part of the return package. So that leaves us with RNH or Gagner.

RNH is hands off in that deal, so that leaves Gagner. What would we have to add to Gagner to make it work for Ottawa.

Gagner+Eberle+Klefbom
for
Spezza+Cowan

Is something I look at, but again Spezza is only locked down till the end of next year. Might be a tad overpayment on our behalf as well.
That's not necessarily true. The reason why would Spezza be available is because of Turris developing into their new #1C and Zibanejad showing he can be a capable #2.
After Bobby Ryan, their winger depth is paper thin. Especially if Michalek tests free agency.
If I'm Ottawa I'm slightly worries that Clarke MacArthur is my 2nd best winger.

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I'd love him in the bottom six. He was physical and hit everything that moved, played on the PK and was generally a good pest.

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Don't forget he speaks like 8 languages, so he can chirp pretty much anyone in the league. I'd LOVE to bring in Komarov

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Komarov would be a good bet, and there's the Marlie connection with Eakins so that may give us one of the first cracks at signing him.

Regarding the Ottawa rumors, what would people think of a Gagner for Lazar based swap? I know it's a magic beans trade, but MacT is on the record a couple times as really loving Lazar (pre-draft and again in the Staples mega-interview), and he ticks a lot of the proverbial boxes.

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Komarov would be a good bet, and there's the Marlie connection with Eakins so that may give us one of the first cracks at signing him.

Regarding the Ottawa rumors, what would people think of a Gagner for Lazar based swap? I know it's a magic beans trade, but MacT is on the record a couple times as really loving Lazar (pre-draft and again in the Staples mega-interview), and he ticks a lot of the proverbial boxes.
Yeah so Ottawa is not doing that... BOTH teams have to want to make a trade remember...

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Komarov would be a good bet, and there's the Marlie connection with Eakins so that may give us one of the first cracks at signing him.

Regarding the Ottawa rumors, what would people think of a Gagner for Lazar based swap? I know it's a magic beans trade, but MacT is on the record a couple times as really loving Lazar (pre-draft and again in the Staples mega-interview), and he ticks a lot of the proverbial boxes.
Easy yes. Zero chance Ottawa does that.

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Komarov would be a good bet, and there's the Marlie connection with Eakins so that may give us one of the first cracks at signing him.
Komarov also bailed on Eakins and the Marlies after 14 games and went to Russia. Granted he may like the guy, but Komarov is going to go to which ever team pays him the most money and gives him the biggest opportunity.

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Komarov is like Niemenen and Jarkko Ruutu. Not a bad 4th liner. I would rather have him than Jones or Joensuu.

2 year deal at 800k per would seem reasonable. Could fit well on a line with Lander, Horak, Gazdic, Hendricks in a rotation (I say Hendricks as he could get 3rd line ice as well).

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Komarov would be a good bet, and there's the Marlie connection with Eakins so that may give us one of the first cracks at signing him.

Regarding the Ottawa rumors, what would people think of a Gagner for Lazar based swap? I know it's a magic beans trade, but MacT is on the record a couple times as really loving Lazar (pre-draft and again in the Staples mega-interview), and he ticks a lot of the proverbial boxes.
Ottawa already has their version of Gagner in Turris.

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MacT needs to focus on the defense and stop trying to fix the bottom 6, which seem to be doing OK now.

Without D this team will spin its wheels. Whether they develop, trade or sign a free agent.

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MacT needs to focus on the defense and stop trying to fix the bottom 6, which seem to be doing OK now.

Without D this team will spin its wheels. Whether they develop, trade or sign a free agent.
I don't mind him tinkering with the bottom 6. It's definitely easier than getting a couple of top pairing defensemen.

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That's not easy to address mid season.

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I don't mind him tinkering with the bottom 6. It's definitely easier than getting a couple of top pairing defensemen.

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That's not easy to address mid season.
He doesn't even need top pairing guys, I know they're hard to get but there has to be a Dman available superior to the illustrious Elder Schultz, Fraser, Larsen, Belov, Ference (not that Dear Capitan will be moved).

Despres for example if he's on the outside looking in. Can't be worse. He also needs to stop signing guys like Fraser who really do 0 for this squad. He needs to stop acquiring zero factor players.


An appropriate partner for Justin and Ference is what is needed imo. Martinez would of been a good guy for Schultz imo, if that deal went down.


X - Schultz
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Ottawa is probably looking for a center as part of the return package. So that leaves us with RNH or Gagner.

RNH is hands off in that deal, so that leaves Gagner. What would we have to add to Gagner to make it work for Ottawa.

Gagner+Eberle+Klefbom
for
Spezza+Cowan

Is something I look at, but again Spezza is only locked down till the end of next year. Might be a tad overpayment on our behalf as well.
I'm not really interested in Spezza but if MacT could swing Gagner+ for Cowen I'd be ecstatic.

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Sam Gagner, larsen and Taylor fedun for hjalmrsonn and mcneil


Jones for a 5th
Potter for 6th


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LOL, Gagner the #1 center on the top team in the West

The Hawks have been screwing Brandon Pirri since the start of the season. He was the AHL scoring champ last year and only 22 years old.

He put up 5 points in his first 7 games, and went through a stretch of scoring points in 5 games from a 6-game stretch in November. Yet all season he's only been given 12:15 TOI/game, with 54 seconds of PP time/game. That's 4th line centerman numbers.

Why? Because Joel Quenville is a nazi for defense. Pirri has all the tools of an offensive NHL player, but has been sent down twice to work on his deficiencies. What are his deficiencies? His foot speed and his defence. Michael Handzus has been playing the #2 role instead strictly because he's responsible defensively.
Brandon Pirri's salary is 870,000.
Does Sam Gagner sound like a player that the Hawks would want, for $4.8M?

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