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02-27-2014, 04:46 PM
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Fact is if Kesler available, just about every playoff team will be interested. No way the Oilers can afford to outbid everyone, nor will Edmonton be high on Kesler's wish list.

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02-27-2014, 04:50 PM
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I guess Eakins has a small connection with Kesler. He was the captain of the Manitoba Moose the first year Kesler was there. I could see Eakins pushing very hard for Kesler. Who knows, maybe he has some pictures of Kesler to get him to waive his NTC too
More likely Kesler's prior interactions with Eakins would make him all the more adamant that he won't waive his NTC for Edmonton

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a 3rd for Hemsky? Are you kidding me? I thought after the Olympics at least that his stock would be a little higher.

Even though he's UFA, thought the worth would be higher. If I was Mac T, I'd probably tell them to forget it.

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Oh, Hemsky..

If we were able to resign him, which I'm guessing he has no interest in doing, he's much more valuable as a player than a trade for a stinky 3rd rounder. Gross.

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Vancouver would be in riots again if that happened. Just based on the value the players hold to the league

Kesler > Eberle
Edler >>> Gagner
Kassian >> Hemsky
You're evaluating the trade wrong - its contracts.

At the end of the 2013/14 season, it would be

2 years X $5.0 for Kesler > 2 years X $4.8 for Gagner
5 years X $5.0 for Edler < 5 years X $5.0 for Eberle
RFA Kassian > UFA Hemsky

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02-27-2014, 05:19 PM
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would you guys be happy if the Oilers Ship N Schultz to Boston for a 4th or 3rd rounder
and got Kyle Clifford, Alex Martinez and our 3rd for Gagner with the oilers keeping 50% of the cap hit?

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02-27-2014, 05:45 PM
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Oh, Hemsky..

If we were able to resign him, which I'm guessing he has no interest in doing, he's much more valuable as a player than a trade for a stinky 3rd rounder. Gross.
He's a soft, inconsistent, turn-over machine.

We should've dealt him in 2008.

We should be happy to get a 3rd rounder for him.

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02-27-2014, 06:02 PM
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so bobby mac is saying we will just get a third for HEmsky

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so bobby mac is saying we will just get a third for HEmsky
I think we will end up getting a 2nd, maybe a little more. Think the price will go up as we get closer to deadline and teams get more desperate as they strikeout on the top rentals.

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02-27-2014, 06:17 PM
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so bobby mac is saying we will just get a third for HEmsky
It's probably reasonable, GMs around the league have always been less than enamored with Hemsky.

We'll see if Mact can get more for him.

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02-27-2014, 06:34 PM
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If all the Oilers can get for Hemsky is a 3rd (and if that's all we can get, that's what we'll be getting...he's definitely gone at the deadline), then he'll probably end up being the biggest bargain of the day.

I can't believe the perception people in hockey have on him. It's no wonder MacTavish decided not to trade him in the offseason.

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02-27-2014, 07:33 PM
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Couple of things I have been looking at doing are:
Eberle for Kane, gives us some size in the top 6
Yak for Couturier plus as I think this would be a draft deal, the thing is what would the plus be Laughton and PHI 1st.
Go hard at the following UFAs Niskanen, Kulemen, Frolik and Hainsey( would give him a 2yr deal to be a nice fill in until our prospects develop)
Hall; RNH; Perron
Kane, Couturier, Frolik
Kulemin, Gordon, Pitlick
Gadzik, Hendriks, Smyth

Hainsey, Niskenan
Marincin/Klefbom, Petry
Ference, Schultz

Scrivens

Our top 6 is bigger but still has a lot of skill. The bottom 6 has size and very good two way players that are also good on the PK and can chip in. The defense is a lot better than it is now and will allow our prospects to develop for the next 2 yrs properly. We also have more size and a player in Couturier that is a very good 2C.

Thoughts on this
In what world would the Flyers trade Couturier , Laughton and a 1st for Yakupov . Hell i do not think they would trade Couturier for Yakupov straight up .

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02-27-2014, 07:43 PM
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Nucks are in the midst of a huge regression this season.

They go from a President's Trophy two seasons ago to potentially out of the playoffs this year. Their goal differential is bad this year and their record is probably better than it should be.

I think they pretty much HAVE to do a big shakeup. They weren't supposed to suck this bad this fast... I think everyone anticipated a slowdown from their "glory years" but not at this rate.
They have the worst record in the NHL over the last 20 games

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My ideal TDL and offseason.

First trade was agreed upon by some Sabres fans.... Second was proposed by Jackets fans....

To EDM
Myers
Grigs

To BFL
2015 1st rounder
Gagner (25% retained)
Arco

To EDM
Anisimov
Jenner
2nd rounder

To CLB
Perron
Hemsky

To EDM
4th rounder

To Boston
N Schultz

Sign 1 of Niskanen, Boyle, Morris (That's my order of choice)
Sign Kulemin
Sign Moss
Sign Hiller and Scrivens

Obviuosly take Ekblad if availabe but don't think Oilers will be that lucky... So Draft which ever center is available when EDM picks Reinhart, Bennett, Draisatl ( my order of preference)



Hall - RNH - Eberle (The all Canadian line)
Grigs - Anisimov - Yak (the all Russian line)
Jenner - 2014 1st rounder - Kulemin
Hendricks - Gordon - Moss
Gazdic

Pair defenseman as you want...
Niskanen/Boyle/Morris
Myers
J. Schultz
Petry
Marincin
Ference
Nurse
Klefbom

Hiller/Scrivens

IMO this is a well balanced team and could be a playoff team next year and if players like Nurse, 2014 1st rounder, Klefbom and Jenner reach their potential (I guess Myers/Schultz/Marincin to). This could be a contending team for a long time.

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02-27-2014, 07:59 PM
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A 3rd for Hemsky would be disappointing in my eyes. That said if that's what his value is then so be it.

As for Kesler, I can't stand the guy but I respect his abilities (diving and being a d-bag aside). It would be tough to transition from not liking him to having him be a key player on our team. If we could somehow have the trade center around Gagner and Kesler that would be a massive win for our team IMO. That said there'd have to be a number of +'s and probably a few good ones to get Vancouver to even look at it.

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If all the Oilers can get for Hemsky is a 3rd (and if that's all we can get, that's what we'll be getting...he's definitely gone at the deadline), then he'll probably end up being the biggest bargain of the day.

I can't believe the perception people in hockey have on him. It's no wonder MacTavish decided not to trade him in the offseason.
I had his value pegged at a 2nd, he makes a ton of money. If we retained salary I still think we can get a 2nd.

But I agree it's depressing that's all he's worth these days. I'd much rather keep him then trade him for a 3rd or a 2nd that the Oilers are just going to waste anyways.

Oh well, hope he does good wherever he goes.

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02-27-2014, 08:10 PM
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More likely Kesler's prior interactions with Eakins would make him all the more adamant that he won't waive his NTC for Edmonton
That's probably true. From the EDM Journal article I read this from, it also said that Eakins saw Kesler and said "how are you?" and Kesler just kept walking by

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02-27-2014, 08:32 PM
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Soo with Myers potentially available, would you be taking a risk on him?

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Soo with Myers potentially available, would you be taking a risk on him?
Sure, depending on the asking price.

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02-27-2014, 08:40 PM
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would you guys be happy if the Oilers Ship N Schultz to Boston for a 4th or 3rd rounder
and got Kyle Clifford, Alex Martinez and our 3rd for Gagner with the oilers keeping 50% of the cap hit?
No way if we are keeping that much of Gagner's contract I don't want scraps I want some proven talent or top prospects.

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If Hemsky's value is really a third round pick....re-sign him.

If he tells MacT there is a zero percent chance he wants to come back...then I guess you're waiting until 2:59 PM ET to get maximum return.

He's a real hockey player, so this has to be done correctly.

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02-27-2014, 08:47 PM
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My ideal TDL and offseason.

First trade was agreed upon by some Sabres fans.... Second was proposed by Jackets fans....

To EDM
Myers
Grigs

To BFL
2015 1st rounder
Gagner (25% retained)
Arco

To EDM
Anisimov
Jenner
2nd rounder

To CLB
Perron
Hemsky

To EDM
4th rounder

To Boston
N Schultz

Sign 1 of Niskanen, Boyle, Morris (That's my order of choice)
Sign Kulemin
Sign Moss
Sign Hiller and Scrivens

Obviuosly take Ekblad if availabe but don't think Oilers will be that lucky... So Draft which ever center is available when EDM picks Reinhart, Bennett, Draisatl ( my order of preference)



Hall - RNH - Eberle (The all Canadian line)
Grigs - Anisimov - Yak (the all Russian line)
Jenner - 2014 1st rounder - Kulemin
Hendricks - Gordon - Moss
Gazdic

Pair defenseman as you want...
Niskanen/Boyle/Morris
Myers
J. Schultz
Petry
Marincin
Ference
Nurse
Klefbom

Hiller/Scrivens

IMO this is a well balanced team and could be a playoff team next year and if players like Nurse, 2014 1st rounder, Klefbom and Jenner reach their potential (I guess Myers/Schultz/Marincin to). This could be a contending team for a long time.
Myers and Grigs is not worth our 1st if it is top 3 and Gagner. Plus there is no need to retain salary as Buffalo has no salary cap problems.

I would trade Eberle before Perron as we need players like Perron in our top 6.

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Soo with Myers potentially available, would you be taking a risk on him?
Buffalo fans are saying that they wouldn't trade him for Eberle, talk about over valuing a player in Myers.

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It is sad how far we are from icing a competitive hockey club.

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If Hemsky's value is really a third round pick....re-sign him.

If he tells MacT there is a zero percent chance he wants to come back...then I guess you're waiting until 2:59 PM ET to get maximum return.

He's a real hockey player, so this has to be done correctly.
You want the Oilers to resign him out of spite or something?

His value is low because he doesn't fit on the Oilers anymore, and won't produce or recoup his value playing on the 3rd line. Nor does he help the Oilers win games, and has a high probability of walking in the offseason to a team that won't play him like a checker short of the Oilers offering another stupid contract.

The only thing the Oilers do by passing on a 3rd round pick is end up with nothing instead of the draft pick.

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