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29 Goals, 65 points, the new $9 million per year player?

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02-06-2014, 01:16 PM
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29 Goals, 65 points, the new $9 million per year player?

Maybe $9 million is stretching it, but by how much really?

And the true elites? Is $12 million per year or more that far off?

The cap is reportedly going up significantly next year. Nine percent or more:

'2014-2015 NHL salary cap projection delivered at Board of Governors meeting.Upwards of $71 million next season. CDN TV rights also ratified.'

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-...on-next-season

But the players who are generating numbers to spend the money on are just not out there.

Just did the math and it is startling.

We have not had more than one 100 point scorer in a given year since 2009. But if the numbers hold, this year will hit new lows I doubt anyone expected. This year we do not have a player outside of Crosby who is on pace for even 90 points. Tavares is the closest with 64 points in 57 games, which prorated to 82 games would be a 89 point season. Everyone else is a bit lower.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...ewName=summary

What is going to happen with salaries? Under current goals/points pace for a top 30 forward (one for each team, though some teams have a two or three top 30 forwards, many none), 20 goals and 41 points so far this season, has a prorated 29 goals and 65 points. If there is no one generating better numbers, and the cap goes up 9% plus next year ($64 million to $71 million plus) how can you justify not paying a top 30 forward top 30 money whatever the seemingly mediocre numbers?

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02-06-2014, 01:23 PM
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Your numbers are off. Tavares prorates higher. Malkin would also be over 100 if he didn't miss 10+ games.

I see your point though.

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Your numbers are off. Tavares prorates higher. Malkin would also be over 100 if he didn't miss 10+ games.

I see your point though.
Yup, I miscalculated Tavares slightly.

As for Malkin, I only used players who had a chance at 100 points. Missing 10 games ended Malkin's chance. He does have an outside chance at 90 points, but would need to significantly up his game to a higher PPG than he currently is experiencing in the remaining 25 games.

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Good time to be a free agent.

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In terms of forwards it seems like these days every 10 pts is equal to about a million with the exception of guys on their first contracts or in their mid-late 30

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So when is the next lockout?

This goes beyond Gary B. The owners and GM's are the scum of the league and ruin it with their loophole, infomercial tactics.

Who pays for it in the end? We do. We've seen no improvement in ticket prices and a hot dog is still $7.

I used to be happy to go to an NHL game to see Lemieux, Jags and Coffey play :30-35 mins a game. Now I get to see Crosby and Malkin play :20 while the 4th line gets 8-12 mins.

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I've never understood why people get so worked up about this. The cap is a direct function of league-wide revenue. If revenue is up, the cap goes up, and so to does the individual player cap. Nothing to see here.

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This isn't like, mystery money. Clubs make more, thus the cap go's up. This isn't new or revolutionary. TBH, I don't know that I really care about a 7 dollar hot dog... Eat before you go, or buy a 7 dollar hot dog and understand you're at a place that charges a premium for concessions because of what it is.

I don't go to a movie theater and ***** about pop corn prices. I know it's high. And it's optional.

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I think seven million which used to be 80-85 pt player money is going to end up being 60-65 pt money soon.

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So when is the next lockout?

This goes beyond Gary B. The owners and GM's are the scum of the league and ruin it with their loophole, infomercial tactics.

Who pays for it in the end? We do. We've seen no improvement in ticket prices and a hot dog is still $7.

I used to be happy to go to an NHL game to see Lemieux, Jags and Coffey play :30-35 mins a game. Now I get to see Crosby and Malkin play :20 while the 4th line gets 8-12 mins.
The players get 50% of the league's revenue. It doesn't matter what the players cumulative cap hits are in terms of business, since its the same proportion no matter what. Players are earning more because the league is earning more.

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I think seven million which used to be 80-85 pt player money is going to end up being 60-65 pt money soon.
It could be as soon as this summer with Paul Stastny.

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Since when ate hotdogs only 7??

$13 at bbt iirc

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Everyone was complaining about the Getzlaf and Perry contracts (around $8.3 per year), but I think you will find them pretty reasonable after next year.

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Star players had been taking home town discounts to get term for so long that in the past 3 - 4 years cap hits had been down. Guys like Perry and Getzlaf absolutely deserve what they are getting.

IMO Phil Kessel at 8 million is, not a steal, but very tolerable

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Star players had been taking home town discounts to get term for so long that in the past 3 - 4 years cap hits had been down. Guys like Perry and Getzlaf absolutely deserve what they are getting.

IMO Phil Kessel at 8 million is, not a steal, but very tolerable
Yup...8 mill is the going rate for teams top players and 80 point guys.

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I wasn't talking about the stars, so much as guys with totals you would not think that special. 29 goals, 65 points.

The stars?

I fully expect P.K. Subban to get $10 million per in a few months.

Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane $12 - $13 million per year each.

But a player like Bryan Little just signed a 5 year $4.6 million per year contract with the Jets this past off season. If it were this off season, would he deserve double that amount? Those are the players that I am talking about.

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As an undrafted free agent, I'm excited.

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So when is the next lockout?

This goes beyond Gary B. The owners and GM's are the scum of the league and ruin it with their loophole, infomercial tactics.

Who pays for it in the end? We do. We've seen no improvement in ticket prices and a hot dog is still $7.

I used to be happy to go to an NHL game to see Lemieux, Jags and Coffey play :30-35 mins a game. Now I get to see Crosby and Malkin play :20 while the 4th line gets 8-12 mins.
Why would you see improvement in ticket prices?

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As an undrafted free agent, I'm excited.
This made me laugh harder than it should have

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Players get 50% of league-wide revenues and not a penny more. Dumb GMs are free to allocate that 50% any way they please.

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Blanket statements and comparisons are almost impossible to make, due the varying percentage of escrow.

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Subban will be the first interesting test case, IMO.

If I were his agent, I'd be asking for $10m per year.

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I've never understood why people get so worked up about this. The cap is a direct function of league-wide revenue. If revenue is up, the cap goes up, and so to does the individual player cap. Nothing to see here.

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Everyone was complaining about the Getzlaf and Perry contracts (around $8.3 per year), but I think you will find them pretty reasonable after next year.
Same goes for Parise and Suter. What people need to realize is that a $7.5 million cap hit 6 years from now will be something like a $4 million cap hit today. Every year the cap goes up, the contracts signed today become less and less of a burden in terms of cap space.

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