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02-06-2014, 04:14 PM
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Who was running our scouting from 1995-1999?

Just looking back on that regretable period in our draft history. Set us back for the decade to follow for certain. 1998 was certainly an exception, but we still managed to blow our first rounder.

Going back to 1994, can anyone name a list of 6 straight first pick flops as bad as this?

Brad Brown
Terry Ryan
Matt Higgins
Jason Ward
Eric Chouinard
Alexander Buturlin

Looking at that, it might explain why in subsequent years the organization veered slightly away from drafting for size!

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Mondou after Boudrais was fired

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Just looking back on that regretable period in our draft history. Set us back for the decade to follow for certain. 1998 was certainly an exception, but we still managed to blow our first rounder.

Going back to 1994, can anyone name a list of 6 straight first pick flops as bad as this?

Brad Brown
Terry Ryan
Matt Higgins
Jason Ward
Eric Chouinard
Alexander Buturlin

Looking at that, it might explain why in subsequent years the organization veered slightly away from drafting for size!
TB did the same pre-Stamkos, they also drafted a bunch of behemoths.

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lmao Buturlin. Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. BUST!

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Can't find who was staff but found this beauty posted on HF in 1999.

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History – Chouinard has been a Canadiens “surprise pick” when he’s been selected 16th overall in the 1st round of the 1998 NHL Entry Draft. Most experts were expecting the Habs to draft another Quebec Remparts prospect, Simon Gagne, who’ve been picked 6 spots later by Philadelphia. The Canadiens scouting staff then explained that they chose Chouinard because of his size and his scoring ability. They also said that they were expecting Eric do walk in his father’s footsteps. Eric’s father, Guy Chouinard, was a dangerous sniper for the Atlanta Flames in the late 70′s and he’s now the Quebec Remparts head-coach.
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...pect_profiles/

Guess which one became a sniper.

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Who's been running the pro scouting? It's basically as bad but somehow never changed much in terms of quality despite going through several regimes.

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Can't find who was staff but found this beauty posted on HF in 1999.



http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...pect_profiles/

Guess which one became a sniper.
Bloodline players generally drafted higher than they are worth. Habs did same thing couple years later with Hossa

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Bloodline players generally drafted higher than they are worth. Habs did same thing couple years later with Hossa
...and Bure. Then we decided it is better to have both so we got the Kosts.

Hopefully our luck turned around with PK.

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02-06-2014, 04:48 PM
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...and Bure. Then we decided it is better to have both so we got the Kosts.

Hopefully our luck turned around with PK.
True they never drafted Jordan last draft. Not sure if it holds true for brothers though. Noticed it in father/son or uncle/nephew type cases

I heard a scout say one time it was because bloodline players generally have an early advantage over average prospects. In that they get early schooling on fine points of the NHL game the others don't. But when the others turn pro they get exposed to these areas and catch up.

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Washington Capitals

Nolan Baumgartner
Alexander Kharlamov
Brad Church
Miika Elomo
Alexandre Vochkov
Jaroslav Svejkovsky
Kris Beech
Brian Sutherby
Steve Eminger

From 94 to 02

Yikes...

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Washington Capitals

Nolan Baumgartner
Alexander Kharlamov
Brad Church
Miika Elomo
Alexandre Vochkov
Jaroslav Svejkovsky
Kris Beech
Brian Sutherby
Steve Eminger

From 94 to 02

Yikes...
Yah that has us beat, that is brutal. 4 of them were even top 10 picks. If it wasn't for getting Backstrom and Ovi with top 5 picks, that franchise would be a mess. Most of what they drafted since '02 was pretty bad as well.

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Washington Capitals

Nolan Baumgartner
Alexander Kharlamov
Brad Church
Miika Elomo
Alexandre Vochkov
Jaroslav Svejkovsky
Kris Beech
Brian Sutherby
Steve Eminger

From 94 to 02

Yikes...
That actually explains why they went from SC Finalists to bottom-dwellers in a few seasons.

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Bloodline players generally drafted higher than they are worth. Habs did same thing couple years later with Hossa
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...and Bure. Then we decided it is better to have both so we got the Kosts.

Hopefully our luck turned around with PK.
400 pts in 630-something games in the dead puck era is a VERY good 33rd pick.

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400 pts in 630-something games in the dead puck era is a VERY good 33rd pick.
Andrei wasn't a flop by any means, it was more to do with the players who got picked behind him in that very deep draft.

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Andrei wasn't a flop by any means, it was more to do with the players who got picked behind him in that very deep draft.
I was talking about Valeri Bure. Not Kostitsyn.

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400 pts in 630-something games in the dead puck era is a VERY good 33rd pick.
Yes, I guess I was not looking relative to draft position but relative to the other bro.

S Kost was a steal in round 7...

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Yes, I guess I was not looking relative to draft position but relative to the other bro.

S Kost was a steal in round 7...
A 7th rounder that plays in the NHL is a steal. Nevermind a 7th rounder that sorta played like a Top-6 player (at least, a little while).

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Washington Capitals

Nolan Baumgartner
Alexander Kharlamov
Brad Church
Miika Elomo
Alexandre Vochkov
Jaroslav Svejkovsky
Kris Beech
Brian Sutherby
Steve Eminger

From 94 to 02

Yikes...
A lot of bad drafts in there. 1999 and 1996 were known weak drafts

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Just looking back on that regretable period in our draft history. Set us back for the decade to follow for certain. 1998 was certainly an exception, but we still managed to blow our first rounder.

Going back to 1994, can anyone name a list of 6 straight first pick flops as bad as this?

Brad Brown
Terry Ryan
Matt Higgins
Jason Ward
Eric Chouinard
Alexander Buturlin

Looking at that, it might explain why in subsequent years the organization veered slightly away from drafting for size!
To be fair, 1994 - 1997 were very weak overall draft years, at least outside of the top 5. I think you would be hard pressed to find a team that really nailed it talent wise over a similar period.

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Just looking back on that regretable period in our draft history. Set us back for the decade to follow for certain. 1998 was certainly an exception, but we still managed to blow our first rounder.

Going back to 1994, can anyone name a list of 6 straight first pick flops as bad as this?

Brad Brown
Terry Ryan
Matt Higgins
Jason Ward
Eric Chouinard
Alexander Buturlin

Looking at that, it might explain why in subsequent years the organization veered slightly away from drafting for size!
Tomas Jurco
Riley Sheahan
Landon Ferraro
Tom McCollum
Brendan Smith
Cory Emmerton

That's the genius Detroit scouting for 2006-11.
In 2006-2008, they have no players, in 2001, 2003 & 2004 they get 1, in 2001 and 2000, t. In 2005, which I heard so much about elsewhere, they got Helm and Abdelkader, a pair of 12-15 goal scorers who are now 25-6 and not prospects. They gave up on Quincey and Kopecky, and it is arguable on Matthias, as well.

They had two lucky picks, in 1998, 1999 (with only one other player to show for those two mythical draft years), and a very good draft in 2002. From 1995-97, they have nothing.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/t...r00005492.html

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Tomas Jurco
Riley Sheahan
Landon Ferraro
Tom McCollum
Brendan Smith
Cory Emmerton

That's the genius Detroit scouting for 2006-11.
In 2006-2008, they have no players, in 2001, 2003 & 2004 they get 1, in 2001 and 2000, t. In 2005, which I heard so much about elsewhere, they got Helm and Abdelkader, a pair of 12-15 goal scorers who are now 25-6 and not prospects. They gave up on Quincey and Kopecky, and it is arguable on Matthias, as well.

They had two lucky picks, in 1998, 1999 (with only one other player to show for those two mythical draft years), and a very good draft in 2002. From 1995-97, they have nothing.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/t...r00005492.html
What's wrong with Sheahan and Smith?

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What's wrong with Sheahan and Smith?
Let's see. A guy who is a 0.5 pts/game player in the AHL and a 3rd pairing dman who took 3 yrs of college and 3 yrs of AHL seasoning to become that much. They're okay, but hardly terrific 1st round picks let alone the genius hidden gem find the best talent elite Euro scouting model for the whole world I wish we were like them cannot make a mistake get it all perfect Red Wings scouting staff.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=123527
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=90926

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Wasn't Pierre Dorion involved?

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Wasn't Pierre Dorion involved?
I think around the 2000 draft he came on board

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I think around the 2000 draft he came on board
The same guy that works for the Hens, right?

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