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08-08-2005, 08:20 PM
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...why are you openly apologizing on a message board?
Because apparantly people take the ****ing internet wayyyy too seriously and get offended by sarcasm. Whatever. Funny ****, if you ask me.

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Sure. Let's say we have a thread about Sather's tenure as Ranger GM:

"His moves show Glen Sather is a real rocket scientist," is commentary on Sather, the thread topic.

"Your beliefs about Glen Sather show you to be a real rocket scientist," is an attack on the poster. The writer is saying nothing more than "You're stupid."
Well some people actually deserve to be called stupid sometimes. The internet, when something like simple sarcasm and insult, gets under someone's skin to an extent that someone has to "openly" appologize then it is boderline ridiculous. People need to take this **** way less seriously.

Or post drunk more often.

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i think the decline you're speaking of is exactly that too: a result of the unknown that hangs over this team's head right now. it is difficult to find sure fire positives with the team, and it frustrates people, and when people get frustrated they lash out. sometimes it's hard to differentiate between the team that is making you angry and the posters on this board, and you lash out at the wrong people. if we get some better news in the next few years, it'll all change for the better here too, though. i believe that.

That's just it, I don't see the team in a state of decline. We've officially bottomed out, man. I think we're hopelessly trapped in limbo. Our prospect pool isn't all that great. Yeah, we've added names. But I think most of them will spend a good portion of their careers in the AHL, bouncing from team to team. The only prospects I'm interested in seeing are Montoya and Lunny...and maybe Dawes. Other than that, we've had a squad full of 3rd and 4th liners. My personal opinion is that this team's drafting as been just short of abysmal.
But I really don't care about that. I understand the dynamics of a rebuild, and fully expect a rough season. What infuriates me is this team's woefully bad luck. I'll admit it, the draft set me off. It brought me to the brink of calling it a day as a hockey fan. To me it was just another pie in the face for this team. 16TH! During a time when we could desperately used a solid prospect, we, once again, find ourselves in the middle. Yeah, we traded up. But all we got was another kid with "potential" who's projected to be a 2nd or 3rd defenseman in about 3 years. That's fine if we have a talented enough prospect pool. But, again this is only my opnion, beyond the goaltending the waters become murky; a little too murky considering how we faired the last seven years. Pitts goes on a 3 years bender they walk away with Crosby, Malik, and Fleury. Washington tanks it mid-way through the season and reels in Ovechkin. The Rangers just aren't nailing the bonafide stud, blue chip prospect.
And to top it off, Slats goes out and signs a series of vets who, I feel, are doing this team more harm than good. Yeah, they provide guidance, but all they're going to do for us is continue our trend of losing enough to miss the playoffs yet not enough to get us into the lottery. And then at the end of this season, we'll once again find ourselves picking 10th or so and adding another name to an embarassingly mediocre hockey club.
I'm not looking for support, just a place to vent. I'm sure some will demand facts to "validate my point". And I say to them if you want numbers, call an accountant; if you want stats call a statistician. These is the truth as I see it. Flawed? Yes. Exagerrated? I agree. Honest? You bet. For me things just aren't that rosy in Rangersland.

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I would like to point out that you all suck and should just shut up and listen to me..
Don't we always?

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Well some people actually deserve to be called stupid sometimes.
No. People sometimes deserve to have their posts called stupid. There's a difference between attacking the post and attacking the poster.

Every last one of us has written something stupid, short-sighted, or ill-conceived. I can assure you that not all of us are stupid.

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The internet, when something like simple sarcasm and insult, gets under someone's skin to an extent that someone has to "openly" appologize then it is boderline ridiculous.
Why would you say this? If the guy feels he has offended someone and would like to apologize for that, why would you want to stop him? He's doing what he feels is right; that's not ridiculous.

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Well some people actually deserve to be called stupid sometimes. The internet, when something like simple sarcasm and insult, gets under someone's skin to an extent that someone has to "openly" appologize then it is boderline ridiculous. People need to take this **** way less seriously.

Or post drunk more often.
I'd just like to point out that I advocate the latter...

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No. People sometimes deserve to have their posts called stupid. There's a difference between attacking the post and attacking the poster.

Every last one of us has written something stupid, short-sighted, or ill-conceived. I can assure you that not all of us are stupid.


Why would you say this? If the guy feels he has offended someone and would like to apologize for that, why would you want to stop him? He's doing what he feels is right; that's not ridiculous.
No, I disagree wholeheartedly. Some people really need to be called stupid or attacked sometimes FOR their stupidity. Otherwise, people keep acting stupid because they don't feel bad about it.

I'm saying it's ridiculous that people are getting offended by the INTERNET. It's not even real life. People take **** said on some message board way way WAY too seriously and fly off the handle.

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I mean, it's right there in the FAQ as a board rule not to do it, so why would you complain about getting busted for doing it?

Like I said, there's places out there where you can run wild. My experiece is that the freedom is abused and the actual discussions suffers for it.
I agree with you that i broke the rules. But the point i was trying to make, and i admit that i didnt do a good job making it, was that ive been doing such things for a while. Its only on the anahiem board that i got called on it. And they KNew i was a Devils fan. And this was before Niedermayer signed with the ducks. Those guys hold a grudge against devils fans for the 2003 SCF. If i had done the same thing on say the Flyers board, they would have taken my post as comedy, not ignorace. Plus, that word in question is not a bad word. Its a free country, and restricting colorful language is to me in poor taste. Because in all honesty, that's how we all talk. And i am just writing how I talk. Using bad language when making a personal attack, is something different, and shouldnt be tolerated. Calling a team unifrorm a 3 letter word for very happy, isnt hurtful, calling me out on it was spitful. That's the point i was making.

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08-09-2005, 12:18 AM
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Some people really need to be called stupid or attacked sometimes FOR their stupidity. Otherwise, people keep acting stupid because they don't feel bad about it.
Okay. All I can say is that you're showing a fair degree of intolerance here, and that's a trait that's generally linked to both ignorance and low intelligence. The idea that calling someone "stupid" with the expectation that he's going to reform his behavior says little for your common sense and less for your understanding of people.

Tell me, how often have you insulted someone and gotten the response: "Well now! This chap is obviously trying to help me! I think I'll listen wholeheartedly to his insults, and then go reflect on them."

If you genuinely believe that's what's going through people's heads when you personally insult them, you're blind as well as a dolt.

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I'm saying it's ridiculous that people are getting offended by the INTERNET ... People take **** said on some message board way way WAY too seriously and fly off the handle.
And I'm saying this has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PARTIES TO WHOM "CHOSEN" WAS WRITING.

It has to do with how HE feels about his posts not about how THEY feel. How many times do I have to write this, and why are you having so much trouble comprehending what is really a rather basic point? I'll try again slowly:

If ... "chosen" ... feels ... bad ... about ... what ... he ... wrote, ... why ... should ... anyone ... stop ... him ... from ... apologizing? He's ... dealing ... with ... his ... OWN ... feelings.

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This board i have a lot of respect for. The rules are very important. I understand that and appreciate that. Because if there were no rules, you'll have posts every three minutes that say for example, "The penguins suck dude, root for a real team". To me, that's sub-moronic and intollerable. But telling a lighthearted joke, that's not a personal attack, or stating a strong opionion about the intelliegence of a post, isnt bad. If I say something like, "I think Glen Sather is a true Genius" I expect to get killed on here. But i dont take it personally. I think people who are in power on these boards do an excellent job, but a select few abuse the power. That's alll i am saying.

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But telling a lighthearted joke, that's not a personal attack
Ugh. I hesitate to join in here but ...

If calling the Ducks jersey "gay" was your idea of a lighthearted joke, that is personally insulting. What you mean by "gay" in this context is "bad," therefore what you're saying is that gay = bad.

This is something I just don't understand. The English language has a larger vocabulary than any other language on earth. With that many words, why is it so difficult to find ones that accomplish the task of spearing your target without clumsily attacking others?

And why would anyone elect to write something as tired as "gay" for an insult, anyway? Good grief! Are they that hard up for an original insult?

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Okay. All I can say is that you're showing a fair degree of intolerance here, and that's a trait that's generally linked to both ignorance and low intelligence. The idea that calling someone "stupid" with the expectation that he's going to reform his behavior says little for your common sense and less for your understanding of people.

Ignorance and low intelligence? Hah, I think not.

The idea of calling someone stupid is to hope that they realize they are an idiot and will somehow smarten up. I find stupidity to be much, much more annoying than simple *******-ism.

Tell me, how often have you insulted someone and gotten the response: "Well now! This chap is obviously trying to help me! I think I'll listen wholeheartedly to his insults, and then go reflect on them."

Pretty much they just stop talking. That's someone's way of realizing they are acting like an idiot. I pick my people to insult wisely as not to make that mistake. I call someone an idiot only when it's deserved.

If you genuinely believe that's what's going through people's heads when you personally insult them, you're blind as well as a dolt.

Haha, okay. You're taking this way too seriously. Then again, sarcasm doesn't travel well through message boards because, as I've said a million times, every one is out to e-get each other.

And I'm saying this has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PARTIES TO WHOM "CHOSEN" WAS WRITING.

It has to do with how HE feels about his posts not about how THEY feel. How many times do I have to write this, and why are you having so much trouble comprehending what is really a rather basic point? I'll try again slowly:

If ... "chosen" ... feels ... bad ... about ... what ... he ... wrote, ... why ... should ... anyone ... stop ... him ... from ... apologizing? He's ... dealing ... with ... his ... OWN ... feelings.


And my whole point of posting was to say that the parties he posted to shouldn't even get offended. Not to stop him from posting. Obviously you haven't grasped THAT yet. I could care less what HE posts. Just stating the simple fact that people get way too worked up over the internet. I mean, you're "yelling" with caps. Obviously frustrated and not even talking about what I'm talking about.

Are you even taking my posts far too seriously?

My whole point in POSTING here was to say how idiotic it is that people on a messageboard get offended when people call them out on being stupid or whatnot. I could see someone getting offended in real life. But when did a simple internet messageboard somehow gain this status of being related even remotely to real life?

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Ugh. I hesitate to join in here but ...

If calling the Ducks jersey "gay" was your idea of a lighthearted joke, that is personally insulting. What you mean by "gay" in this context is "bad," therefore what you're saying is that gay = bad.

This is something I just don't understand. The English language has a larger vocabulary than any other language on earth. With that many words, why is it so difficult to find ones that accomplish the task of spearing your target without clumsily attacking others?

And why would anyone elect to write something as tired as "gay" for an insult, anyway? Good grief! Are they that hard up for an original insult?
Now this post I can agree with.

I've posted about this a number of times. Using the word gay in reference to meaning bad or whatnot is a blatant homophobic remark. Anyway you look at it, the remark is homophobic. Now, maybe the said person doesn't hate gays or even dislike them. But using that term in that way is definately being homophobic in some way.

It's the same thing with these ****ing *******s with women in their icons. Porn stars. Even just women they think are simple objects for display. It's pathetic.

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The idea of calling someone stupid is to hope that they realize they are an idiot and will somehow smarten up.
But this is my point: they won't. Your family and friends might eventually realize you're trying to tell them something behind the insult. A stranger, including all those on message boards, is simply going to write you off as a a-hole because he's offended. He's not going to listen to a single thing you're saying/writing, and he's certainly not going to reflect on it later. The insult doesn't just fail to make its point, it drives the guy away from listening to any real way you could help enlighten him.

What do you think my chances with Machoking would be had I started my reply post with: "You're a narrow-minded fool who should keep his mouth shut if he's too stupid to understand when he's insulted an entire group of people!"

That would be a terrible mistake. He'd barely read (if he read at all) the actual argument of the post.

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Pretty much they just stop talking. That's someone's way of realizing they are acting like an idiot.
Noooooo silence doesn't equate to realization. The best you might be achieving is that the person no longer says stupid things around you.

If you want him to stop saying stupid things, you must bring him to recognize that what he's saying is stupid. That's not going to happen if he's tuning you out.

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And my whole point of posting was to say that the parties he posted to shouldn't even get offended. Not to stop him from posting. Obviously you haven't grasped THAT yet. I could care less what HE posts.
Yes I do grasp that; it's exactly my issue with what you're writing. If your point has to do with the reactions of the posters to wehom he wrote, you should be more careful. I was not talking about them, and you were replying to my post. If you replay to my post I must assume you're trying to comment on the same topic I am, which in this case is his apology not the feelings of those he supposedly offended. (Frankly I don't even know if he actually offended anyone.).

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Just stating the simple fact that people get way too worked up over the internet. I mean, you're "yelling" with caps. Obviously frustrated and not even talking about what I'm talking about.

Are you even taking my posts far too seriously?
Not in the least; I'm merely trying to make a point.

Attacking you in that post was a worthless endeavor. It didn't clarify anything; it didn't change either of our positions, so what was the point except to be insulting?

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Sure. Let's say we have a thread about Sather's tenure as Ranger GM:

"His moves show Glen Sather is a real rocket scientist," is commentary on Sather, the thread topic.

"Your beliefs about Glen Sather show you to be a real rocket scientist," is an attack on the poster. The writer is saying nothing more than "You're stupid."
Well I figured it would be something like "you're a smart one" or something like that. But the problem there isn't the sarcasm it's the fact that he practically called the person dumb, but saying "you're a rocket scientist" is akin to saying "you're an idiot", and that's the problem not the sarcasm, that what he should apologize for if that's what he did.

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[QUOTE=dedalus]But this is my point: they won't. Your family and friends might eventually realize you're trying to tell them something behind the insult. A stranger, including all those on message boards, is simply going to write you off as a a-hole because he's offended. He's not going to listen to a single thing you're saying/writing, and he's certainly not going to reflect on it later. The insult doesn't just fail to make its point, it drives the guy away from listening to any real way you could help enlighten him.

What do you think my chances with Machoking would be had I started my reply post with: "You're a narrow-minded fool who should keep his mouth shut if he's too stupid to understand when he's insulted an entire group of people!"

That would be a terrible mistake. He'd barely read (if he read at all) the actual argument of the post.


I always take the approach of offend first and then make them feel stupid second. THEN make your point.

Remember, I'm a dick. I say how I feel and I could really care less what anyone else thinks about it. It's how I've always been and it's worked for me. I like to be brutally honest. Frankly, someone writing me off as an ******* is really a compliment and shows that I got through to them. Generally, to me, when someone starts acting idiotic and spewing stupid stuff it generally means that I got to them and prooved them wrong WITH the added insult that I made them feel like a fool. But, like I said. I can be a real dick sometimes.

As for your chances with him... good luck. I won't even try to shed light on that, haha.

Noooooo silence doesn't equate to realization. The best you might be achieving is that the person no longer says stupid things around you.

That's all I care about in the end. Stupidity around me is something I cannot and will not tolerate.

If you want him to stop saying stupid things, you must bring him to recognize that what he's saying is stupid. That's not going to happen if he's tuning you out.

But they aren't trully tuning you out if they keep on thinking about how dumb you've made them feel. They will then realize not to say stupid **** when you are around (this works much better in real life than on some board) and will generally be happy since they aren't getting called out on their ****.

Yes I do grasp that; it's exactly my issue with what you're writing. If your point has to do with the reactions of the posters to wehom he wrote, you should be more careful. I was not talking about them, and you were replying to my post. If you replay to my post I must assume you're trying to comment on the same topic I am, which in this case is his apology not the feelings of those he supposedly offended. (Frankly I don't even know if he actually offended anyone.)

I think you definately misread my post wrong. I was stating a blanket fact that I think it's absurd that people on a message board will take things so to heart that that, in turn, leads someone to have to issue some sort of appology. Not blasting the apologetic guy, but the apology acceptor or forcer.

Not in the least; I'm merely trying to make a point.

Attacking you in that post was a worthless endeavor. It didn't clarify anything; it didn't change either of our positions, so what was the point except to be insulting?


Insulting raises your e-status and makes you look like a real tough guy (I hope you get the complete and utter sarcasm of that sentence).

To me, it just lets me vent after a hard days work. Or after something bad happens. Etc, etc. I'm generally a sarcastic person, but if I'm feeling bad I will never hold my tongue. Insulting will also take the stupidity out of your jurisdiction. Yes, the person will spread their putrid spew, but it generally won't be around you!

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Ugh. I hesitate to join in here but ...

If calling the Ducks jersey "gay" was your idea of a lighthearted joke, that is personally insulting. What you mean by "gay" in this context is "bad," therefore what you're saying is that gay = bad.

This is something I just don't understand. The English language has a larger vocabulary than any other language on earth. With that many words, why is it so difficult to find ones that accomplish the task of spearing your target without clumsily attacking others?

And why would anyone elect to write something as tired as "gay" for an insult, anyway? Good grief! Are they that hard up for an original insult?
What i said exactly was.........


The ducks new third jersey's look really cool, and they should use those as thier permenent jersey's. Because the mighty ducks movies jersey to be honest are.........

"Very Happy" as "Feckile matters".

I was actully trying to compliemnt thier new jersey's and they flipped out on me. I could have used better language, but that's the first thing that came to my mind.

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I'm fairly certain that the ducks name AND jersey is gayer than a cell phone belt clip..

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I'm fairly certain that the ducks name AND jersey is gayer than a cell phone belt clip..

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I'm fairly certain that the ducks name AND jersey is gayer than a cell phone belt clip..

Or a phany pack.

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I know it used to be on puck.this, but I don't think that site's still active.

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Puck.This turned into something else I believe. I'd post the name, but that would probably get my post deleted...

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