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02-07-2014, 01:56 PM
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Seriously Todd... what does Stalock have to do? And how bad does Niemi need to be? Jeez

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Seriously Todd... what does Stalock have to do? And how bad does Niemi need to be? Jeez
You'd basically be telling Niemi he's not the starter anymore and letting him stew on that for 3 weeks. It would be a stupid move to play Stalock tonight unless you've decided he's now the starter, which would be ridiculous at this time.

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You'd basically be telling Niemi he's not the starter anymore and letting him stew on that for 3 weeks. It would be a stupid move to play Stalock tonight unless you've decided he's now the starter, which would be ridiculous at this time.
Yup. I know Stalock is now the savior to most Sharks' fans but Niemi needs to get games.

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Yup. I know Stalock is now the savior to most Sharks' fans but Niemi needs to get games.
A) He's not the savior but he is clearly playing better. You reward the guy playing well with ice time.

B) Niemi needs more games? Seriously? If there is a goalie in the entire league who is less in need of more games than Niemi over the last few seasons I'd be surprised.

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You'd basically be telling Niemi he's not the starter anymore and letting him stew on that for 3 weeks. It would be a stupid move to play Stalock tonight unless you've decided he's now the starter, which would be ridiculous at this time.
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B) Niemi needs more games? Seriously? If there is a goalie in the entire league who is less in need of more games than Niemi over the last few seasons I'd be surprised.
From an outside perspective, it sure seems like Niemi didn't start playing badly until they started giving him games off... Maybe I'm wrong, but it sure looked that way this year...

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A) He's not the savior but he is clearly playing better. You reward the guy playing well with ice time.

B) Niemi needs more games? Seriously? If there is a goalie in the entire league who is less in need of more games than Niemi over the last few seasons I'd be surprised.
Yeah he does he most likely won't be playing or getting any practice time being the 3rd goalie for Finland.

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You'd basically be telling Niemi he's not the starter anymore and letting him stew on that for 3 weeks. It would be a stupid move to play Stalock tonight unless you've decided he's now the starter, which would be ridiculous at this time.
I would play Stalock tonight (and myself and daughter will be there for our father-daughter dinner and Sharks night... gotta raise our kids right!).

Reason is to let Stalock get refinement and experience. I have a feel'n we'll likely use our backup goalie more in the playoffs this year than years past. Also, this would give Nemo rest for the Olympics which is probably an unwritten guideline.

Speaking of Olympics, did Team Canada get approval from the appropriate olympic committee at Sochi to replace Stamkos? I'd have to say that if this was the USSR back then, that committee would have undue pressure to not approve. The cold war extended to the gold medal count back then, clearly so.

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From an outside perspective, it sure seems like Niemi didn't start playing badly until they started giving him games off... Maybe I'm wrong, but it sure looked that way this year...
You can't expect your starter to go all 82 games of the season. The longest time between games Niemi has had was one five day stretch. He's had a four day stretch off three times this season and has started 47 of the 58 games they've had this year. He's just been inconsistent this year. He's had a few three game stretches of great goaltending but that's about as far as it has gotten until had a below average one.

In the case for starting tonight, there really isn't a wrong answer here. Stalock has earned the start and Niemi's probably not going to get much action in Sochi so he needs to start too. Coming off the break, I'd alternate them and go with the hot hand come playoff time unless one is doing fairly poor. It will still be pretty condensed down the stretch so that formula will only have mostly four day breaks between starts with one six day break near the end.

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Despite how well Stalock has played, they aren't going to bench Niemi unless he turns into Cloutier and Stalock absolutely locks it down over a long period of time.

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Despite how well Stalock has played, they aren't going to bench Niemi unless he turns into Cloutier and Stalock absolutely locks it down over a long period of time.
Niemi hasn't been able to string together four good games consecutively all year. Stalock has had 11 starts. He was poor in three of them. He was great in all the other eight starts. He's done about as well as you can expect from a backup and is pushing for that starter spot which is what everyone hopes for.

If Niemi gets the start tonight, which indications are saying he will, they'd be better off splitting off the rest of the games to limit his mileage this year. They'll have 24 games after the Olympics to finish. They can either alternate the starts or they can give Stalock a stretch of games and Niemi a stretch of games.

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Niemi hasn't been able to string together four good games consecutively all year.
I guess starting the year 8-1-1 or winning 6 in a row at the end of November and hasn't allowed more than 3 goals in a game since Dec 31st is not stringing together four good games.

I don't think he's been at his best lately, the injuries on the team aren't exactly helping his cause and we all know Doug Wilson holds his playoff experience and cup ring in very high regard. That's mostly why I doubt he will get benched unless he completely stinks up the joint.

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as poor as niemi has been cant go with stalock yet more than likely rask gets the starts in sochi...

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I guess starting the year 8-1-1 or winning 6 in a row at the end of November and hasn't allowed more than 3 goals in a game since Dec 31st is not stringing together four good games.

I don't think he's been at his best lately, the injuries on the team aren't exactly helping his cause and we all know Doug Wilson holds his playoff experience and cup ring in very high regard. That's mostly why I doubt he will get benched unless he completely stinks up the joint.
When he started the year 8-1-1, the New York game was a blowout where he let in 2 on 20 shots. That's not a good game for a goalie even with the dominant win. The Dallas game that was a loss in the shootout was also not a good game. The Calgary game that the team won 6-3 where he let in 3 on 19 shots was also not a good game. Just because the team performed well enough to win regardless of the goaltending doesn't mean that the goalie's perfomance was good.

The six in a row at the end of November he started off with three very good games but followed it up against St. Louis with a game that wasn't good but the team was good enough to compensate for that. 3 goals on 24 shots is not a good performance. The game after that wasn't good either with 3 goals allowed on 31 shots.

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That was a great GDT too, one of your best. This year mine seem to be during either the best of times or the worst of times, IE Hert's 4 goal game and his injury.

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Just because the team performed well enough to win regardless of the goaltending doesn't mean that the goalie's perfomance was good.
When the team performs bad and loses despite the goalie's performance, it doesn't mean it was the goalie's fault either. As I said before, he's not at his best right now but the team in front of him hasn't been helping him out at all.

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Despite how well Stalock has played, they aren't going to bench Niemi unless he turns into Cloutier and Stalock absolutely locks it down over a long period of time.
That's how they do it for every team in the league. Once there is a declared #1, it is very difficult to unseat him. Some dramatically poor choices have been made because of this mindset. A starter is so fragile that benching him for poor play will make it worse while it is OK to do just that to a backup. Better backup goalies have been traded just because a guy has been declared #1.

The difference for the Sharks is that they overplay their starter whether it is Nemo or was Nabokov. Very few coaches play their starters as heavily as do the Sharks. It is not a paradigm with a record of success anywhere except NJ. The one team that stands out against the heavy use paradigm has been rewarded. Boston gives their #1 plenty of rest whether it is Rask or was Thomas.

My last observation is that it would be better to run a different paradigm for resting starters than is common. Not just on back-to-backs or against weaker teams. All goalies play better with regular play. Better to schedule two-week intervals for backup play and let the starter get a month to a month and half straight with the exception of b to b's. The team will experience fewer total games where the goalie is knocking off the rust.

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